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Climate Change Bill
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You haven't proven that carbon taxes and trading are a profit scheme at all and you have conveniently lauded ei.sdraob's mention of nuclear and ignored my comment that there are issues in relation to the grid and costs! Selective reading at its best.
No worries, it’s not selective reading, I just don’t see the need to respond to everything I read.
People are entitled to their opinions and it’s not for me to challenge them all.
I don’t have to prove it, it’s self evident.
R.I.P.: Al Gore’s Chicago Climate Exchange Has Died
This would have been the US Version of the European Carbon Exchange.
“A funny thing happened on the way to the CCX’s highly anticipated looting of taxpayers and consumers – cap-and-trade imploded following its high water mark of the House passage of the Waxman-Markey bill.
With ongoing economic recession, Climategate, and the tea party movement, what once seemed like a certainty became anything but.
CCX’s panicked original investors bailed out this spring, unloading the dog and its across-the-pond cousin, the European Climate Exchange (ECX), for $600 million to the New York Stock Exchange-traded Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) – an electronic futures and derivatives platform based in Atlanta and London. (Luckier than the CCX, the ECX continues to exist thanks to the mandatory carbon caps of the Kyoto Protocol.)”
The ECX may soon follow the CCX into oblivion, however – the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012. No new international treaty is anywhere in sight.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/252703/rip-al-gores-chicago-climate-exchange-has-died-greg-pollowitz
From what I remember Goldman Sachs also had 16% share in the carbon scheme.
But after the people stood up and said no carbon taxes, they all ran away, no longer interested in saving the weather/ climate.
So it was all about the money.
If I agreed with nothing else with the TeaParty.
Standing up to this monster and calling it out for what it is, I will be eternally grateful and to the hackers publishing the Climategate emails and with that providing a deeper insight of what is really going on.0 -
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Indeed, the biggest complaint renewable proponents often have is that the playing field should be levelled by removing fossil fuel subsidies.You could equally ask why we subsidise fossil fuels.
From here, although the situation has improved somewhat since that was commissioned. But you have a few increasingly discredited but very vocal fossil fuel supporters like Richard Tol who would rather commit hara kiri than admit that it's cheaper just to pluck energy out of thin air than to prospect, explore, fail at a cost of billions, keep trying, extract the energy with multi billion euro installations, transport it via suboceanic pipelines or gigantic freighters, pay import tarriffs, store it in extremely expensive dockside facilities, burn more of it to get to petrol stations or power plants, then lose about half of whatever dregs of efficiency you have left by burning it in internal combustion engines of one stripe or another, never mind the external costs involved.
Right now, as we speak, Dutch wind turbines are storing their energy in Norwegian lakes, and yet initiatives like Spirit of Ireland are met with howls of resistance from self anointed experts. An interconnector evens out the flow of supply, but it doesn't obviate the need for local wind turbines or other renewable sources, it just means we buy energy when its cheaper to do so and sell it when we have a surplus, and for a country like Ireland that should not be hard to do. We're sitting right in the teeth of the huge wind and ocean current that keep Northern Europe out of an ice age.
From Met Ireland, the circled number is the percentage calm.
And yet you have people like Richard Tol who have gone on record as publicly saying that Ireland has no special advantages when it comes to wind power generation. Insanity.On average there are less than 2 days with gales each year at some inland places like Kilkenny but more than 50 a year at northern coastal locations such as Malin Head. Indeed the north and west coasts of Ireland are two of the windiest areas in Europe and have considerable potential for the generation of wind energy.
It can't work well in small scattered patches, any more than putting gas turbines on every roof in Ireland and pumping natural gas to them would be optimal, but the more of them you build, the better it scales up and the more even and cheaper per unit the power supply gets. This is the general idea behind the European supergrid concept.
Nuclear is fine as far as it goes, I've no ideological objections to it, but for Ireland its not the optimal solution, leaving us dependent yet again on fuel imports from abroad, With wind and related renewables we can build turbines and export them as well as energy, getting the industry off to a start by building out our domestic market. There is still a lot of research to be done on floating anchored deep sea turbines as well, another area Ireland could excel. We already have plenty of installed natural gas capacity as a backup, so nuclear wouldn't even be needed for that purpose, although the last time I checked we only had a couple of days supply on hand at any given time, yet another reason to go green.0 -
Amhran Nua wrote: »Right now, as we speak, Dutch wind turbines are storing their energy in Norwegian lakes, and yet initiatives like Spirit of Ireland are met with howls of resistance from self anointed experts. An interconnector evens out the flow of supply, but it doesn't obviate the need for local wind turbines or other renewable sources, it just means we buy energy when its cheaper to do so and sell it when we have a surplus, and for a country like Ireland that should not be hard to do. We're sitting right in the teeth of the huge wind and ocean current that keep Northern Europe out of an ice age.
And yet you have people like Richard Tol who have gone on record as publicly saying that Ireland has no special advantages when it comes to wind power generation. Insanity.
The problem with wind is that it simply does not work. I would really like it to be the answer to all our problems but it is not. Spirit of Ireland is on par with Steorn. You cannot flood our valleys with salt water.
Wind production in Ireland today:
http://www.eirgrid.com/operations/systemperformancedata/windgeneration/0 -
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I just did a quick graph of the wind data on Eirgrid and it doesn't seem like their forecasts are that off. Average MW in 2010 was 297megawatts, while an average of 318 was forecast. 297megawatts of 1260.4 total capacity is about a 23% capacity factor which is on the lower end, but within the general range, maybe 2010 was a bad year for wind? (I don't really know what all this means, just going by Wikipedia)
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