Alleged Taxi Race Row

Einhard · 31-12-2010 08:19AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Attack the post, not the poster.

If you think your way is better, go and have a browse around YouTube and see if you find any healthy debates.

All due respect Pete, I think I'll stay here if you don't mind. You may disagree with me, but that's what it's all about. I think the poster is racist. The poster admitted as much himself. Now, I think to judge someone on the colour of the skin is small-minded, ignorant, ill-educated, moronic, and all the other adjectives I used. I think anyone who subscribes to that view is all of those adjectives. Now, you might think otherwise, and that's your perogative. We'll just have to agree to disagree on it.

OutlawPete · 31-12-2010 08:28AM

Einhard wrote: »

All due respect Pete, I think I'll stay here and debate.

I never suggested that you shouldn't.

What I said was take a look at YouTube (and the like) where personal abuse goes unmoderated and see if you can find any decent debated in that atmosphere.

Einhard wrote: »

You may disagree with me ..

I don't "disagree" with you, you are still not taking the point.

I think many people on this forum are assholes in real life (I'm sure many think the same of me) but that does not mean we should be able to call each other that, as it does no good and all it can ever lead to us a slanging match.

Einhard wrote: »

I think the poster is racist. The poster admitted as much himself. Now, I think to judge someone on the colour of the skin is small-minded, ignorant, ill-educated, moronic, and all the other adjectives I used.

As do I, which is why I said his "views" were " bitter hateful comments".

Einhard wrote: »

I think anyone who subscribes to that view is all of those adjectives.

You "think" it yes, but that does not give you the right to call someone "Red-necked little man".

Einhard wrote: »

Now, you might think otherwise, and that's your perogative.

Again, I DON'T think otherwise, please take this point - I won't be repeating it.

Namecalling does not add to debate, why not just attack the content of a users post/posts and not the poster themselves?

Mahatma coat · 31-12-2010 08:28AM

The poiint is tho, You still Judge people too, albeit you like to pretend that your prejudices are acceptable, but you are just as prejudiced.

mikemac · 31-12-2010 08:35AM

The thread was about Galway

When I lived in Galway I lived in Gleann Rua, Cúirt na Rasaí and Glasán as some examples. Sometimes went to Doughishka also as it was a nearby shop.

And tbh, a lot of Irish drivers would have issues with the names :rolleyes: Where?? Repeat that will ya??
They wouldn't recognize the name or fail to understand it. West of Ireland how are ya

I don't expect a driver to know every estate but Galway isn't big and these are among the three largest student estates for GMIT. Lot of taxi fares and business.

And I won't forget the Irish drivers who gave me abuse for taking a taxi from Eyre Sq to the Hunstman.

I don't know a whole lot about Dublin or other cities. But I can say there was a lot of queuing many days and nights in Galway for a taxi
Bad times

And when I worked in a hotel on westside and got a taxi back to Ballybrit I'd have the Big O driver telling me his tell of woe. Like I care, I just did a 14 shift in Ardilaun for minimum wage....
Some were gentlemen and a pleasure to get a drive with, most were a shower of moaners.
This wasn't that long ago but it was before mass immigration

aligator_am · 31-12-2010 08:36AM

Have to admit that I've had a few very poor experiences with black / African taxi drivers in the past, 2 of them wouldn't get off the phone, even though I was telling them they need to take the next left or whatever they just kept talking on the phone and completely ignored me, one of them got real thick when I told him flat out that he'd done a circle of Dublin to get me home and that he was getting a tenner and nothing more, that made him get off the phone fairly sharpish!

I don't think this debate / argument comes down to black or white taxi drivers as recently my girlfriend got in a taxi with an eastern European driver who didn't know how to get to Shelbourne Park dog track (Dublin), she ended up asking folk out the window if they knew the way (she's from Offaly and not familiar with the area) to get there.

So I think in reality they should introduce rules here similar to London, you need to spend a couple of years getting to know all the streets before you're granted your licence, and have to take a test to prove you know where you're going.

Einhard · 31-12-2010 08:42AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

I never suggested that you shouldn't.

What I said was take a look at YouTube (and the like) where personal abuse goes unmoderated and see if you can find any decent debated in that atmosphere.

I don't "disagree" with you, you are still not taking the point.

I think many people on this forum are assholes in real life (I'm sure many think the same of me) but that does not mean we should be able to call each other that, as it does no good and all it can ever lead to us a slanging match.

As do I, which is why I said his "views" were " bitter hateful comments".

You "think" it yes, but that does not give you the right to call someone "Red-necked little man".

Again, I DON'T think otherwise, please take this point - I won't be repeating it.

Namecalling does not add to debate, why not just attack the content of a users post/posts and not the poster themselves?

Right, so you think as I do, but just don't think it should be said out loud. Point taken. Not sure if I'll heed it though.

Coriolanus · 31-12-2010 08:58AM

I'm not racist, I actually hate all taxi drivers with a vengeful undying rage. Rip off merchants the lot of them.

mikemac · 31-12-2010 09:00AM

Nevore wrote: »

Rip off merchants the lot of them.

Taxi regulator sets the fare
If anyone is getting ripped off in a town/city you know then it's your own fault

You have to speak up

suicide_circus · 31-12-2010 09:28AM

My favorite are eastern European drivers. Car always in good nick, can drive in snow and best of all they stfu, drive fast and don't expect a tip.

Memnoch · 31-12-2010 09:36AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

The poiint is tho, You still Judge people too, albeit you like to pretend that your prejudices are acceptable, but you are just as prejudiced.

You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word prejudice.

PRE --- JUDICE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejudice

Judging someone based on their ACTIONS and WORDS is not prejudice. Here, let me simplify it a little further...

Saying that black people are bad drivers is prejudice because you are making a judgement on their ability to drive based on the color of their skin, two completely unrelated things. And despite all your anecdotes there is zero scientific data to support this view. If there is, feel free to link it here.

On the other hand, calling you a racist and judging you based on that isn't prejudicial in the least because you have a) accepted that you are a racist and b) acted like one.

Still, I want to thank you and digme for utterly exposing yourselves and your true characters to the general boards population.

Father Damo · 31-12-2010 09:36AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I AM a Racist, I dont have a rational explanation for it other than I am Racist, if I see a Black/Indian Taxidriver I will just wait for the next one,

In fairness yid be waiting a while. Ive been in Oz two years and had about four Aussie taxi drivers.

if A Black person asked me something in a Bar ore somewhere I would Ignore them, because I have no particular interest in talking to that person, .

Fcuking hell! Well, you would fit in well with Aussies, who, as anyone who has been here knows, hate absoloutely everyone bar the Irishs, but cmon like, and Im the most un PC you can get.

In answer to the original thread question, in general Ive found foreign drivers are less likely to know the way and more likely to try scam you (Ive had twice in Dublin when Nigerian lads tried to "forget" my change after handing a note because they thought I was so pissed I wouldnt notice I was entitled to any), and if you argue foreign drivers are less shifty than Irish you are having a laugh.

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Mahatma coat wrote: »

Barack Obama is in his Arse the Most Powerful man in the World
the JEWS who Control Obama, now they're powerful,, Obama's just a Dancing Golliwog Puppet Wheeled out to make the AMericans think they are an Inclusive society with the capacity to make 'Daring' choices.

You are either drunk, ripping the piss (if so, well done

) or more retarded than that guy Mandrake on the Australia forum*.

*:ok, fair enough, a Thalidiomide baby born in Chernoybl in the mid 80s fathered by Peter Griffin is less retarded than him, but you know where Im coming from.

walshb · 31-12-2010 09:55AM

RichieC wrote: »

I live in Ireland, I don't need a research paper to tell me how much racism there is knocking around, it's a fking disgrace.

Yes, on both sides of the "colour line."

Coriolanus · 31-12-2010 10:06AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Taxi regulator sets the fare
If anyone is getting ripped off in a town/city you know then it's your own fault

You have to speak up

Taxi regulator doesn't tell them to take circuitous routes when the customer doesn't know their way around etc.

Gummy Panda · 31-12-2010 10:30AM

I don't like the proposed first come, first served.

The fare is set by the regulator so if some driver with a smelly heap of junk is first in the queue, i'd rather skip him for the driver with the clean merc.

Cicero · 31-12-2010 10:30AM

I think it's ironic that both sides of this arguement are trying to win some sort of moral ground and curry favour with the public....many Taxi drivers have attempted too many times through the years to diddle the fare when I get in to their cab..(I live quite a journey from the city)

...these days the shoe is on the other foot...I offer a set price that I think is fare...I then tout my business to clean, well cared for, modern cars (4/5 years old or less)-..it usually takes me 40 seconds or less to get a fare this way...no more rip-off, no more "I have to charge you what's on the meter (they dont')"...they don't have to take my business at my quoted price, but someone invariably does...

...as long as the customer is not affected by their childish bickering, I couldn't care less about either side at this point....

Dravokivich · 31-12-2010 11:24AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Barack Obama is in his Arse the Most Powerful man in the World
the JEWS who Control Obama, now they're powerful,, Obama's just a Dancing Golliwog Puppet Wheeled out to make the AMericans think they are an Inclusive society with the capacity to make 'Daring' choices.

Mel Gibson, that you?

the_syco · 31-12-2010 11:26AM

Hogzy wrote: »

Local taxi drivers know the roads better than foreigners... That is a fact.

In Leixlip, two of the "foreigners" are locals. Some of the Irish are blow-ins, who I have to direct to the estate.

Frank Okonkwo, Chris Okeke and Terry Loko, of Progressive Friends Taxi Association Galway, suggest that the legislation of the cab rank rule has to be reviewed. The choice to choose a taxi at random in taxi ranks seriously breaches the common practice of first come, first served, and such undermines freedom of equal opportunities in a democratic, civilised and advanced country such as Ireland, which has welcomed cultural diversity.

The choice to choose a taxi at random is mine to make.

smokedeels wrote: »

I've seen people actively refuse to get into a cars driven by somebody who is visibly not "Irish", it's a disgrace, not a nice thing to witness at all.

I've seen taxis refuse to drive to certain north Dublin suburbs. Disgraceful, I tell ya!

Kess73 · 31-12-2010 11:39AM

Meh. I could not care what colour skin a taxi driver has, or where he or she is from.

As long as the taxi is clean, they are as polite to me as I am to them, and they get me to where I want to go without ripping me off, then it does not matter a jot where they are from.

tigger123 · 31-12-2010 12:16PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

If you think every race is the same well that infact makes you an ignorant racist - Each race has strengths and weaknesses and maybe driving isnt one of the black races strengths!

Jebus H. Christ, I cannot believe this post.

Clearly, having a fat arse, moaning at your passengers and being able to drive around Dublin City is the next evolutionary step for the human race, onwards and upwards Darwinians!

I'm from Dublin and HATE getting Irish taxi drivers, the whinging that comes out of them is unreal, and then at the end of this little counselling session I have to hand them 20 euros. The iPod is a beautiful thing my friends, get in the backseat and ignore everything until you get to your destination.

PS - who cares if anyone (Irish or other) uses a Sat Nav? What difference does it make?

cassid · 31-12-2010 12:41PM

I think its nice to have a chat with different people from different cultures when in the taxi, passes the time especially when in traffic.

Had an Irish guy the other day, OMG he was the biggest moan, just separated from his wife and in need of a counselling section. His language and tone was so abusive about her, really OTT, like I really need to hear that, especially as I told him as my baby was sick in the creche and just wanted to get there to take him to the doc. If I ever see him again will bypass his taxi:D In fairness Most taxi drivesr I meet are alright, he was the exception.

Conor Bourke · 31-12-2010 12:45PM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Yep, I would just keep thinking
Jayant Patel, Jayent Patel, ALARM, if I was actually aware at the time I would request a different Doctor

I'm a nurse, I see this happening a lot. Unfortunately most people don't even have the decency to ask nicely, particularly in the Emergency Department when alcohol has been consumed. I've heard people roaring some of the most shocking abuse, in anticipation of being treated by a black doctor before they even know who they'll be assessed/treated by.

I agree with the poster who prefers to travel in a more comfortable car and I do take exception to some foreign drivers using sat nav which sometimes brings you a longer (more profitable) route, and they claim ignorance then. If you're living and working in a city the very least you can do is make the effort to get to know it well. Having said that, I did get caught by an opportunistic Irish FVCKER in Galway last year on race week. He copped that we, the passengers were not Galwegians by our accents, and we'd had a few drinks too so he tried to pull a fast one on us. I twigged immediately what he was at, gave him a piece of my mind, asked him to stop and we walked the rest of the way rather than give in to him and his greed (particularly as he had given us the whole "the Nigerians have business ruined on us" sob story.)

31-12-2010 01:00PM

I'm sorry but since when did having a sat nav become essential? In London, to become a taxi driver you have to know the routes off by heart and you are quizzed as such. I've had both Irish and Foreign taxi drivers not know how to get to a certain destination, both Irish and Foreign taxi drivers have attempted to rip me off by taking a needlessly long route and both Irish and Foreign taxi drivers have talked my ear off about stuff I really couldn't give a toss about.

They're all bad.

Dravokivich · 31-12-2010 01:06PM

Alaskimo-cake wrote: »

I do take exception to some foreign drivers using sat nav which sometimes brings you a longer (more profitable) route, and they claim ignorance then.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sorry but since when did having a sat nav become essential? In London, to become a taxi driver you have to know the routes off by heart and you are quizzed as such. I've had both Irish and Foreign taxi drivers not know how to get to a certain destination, both Irish and Foreign taxi drivers have attempted to rip me off by taking a needlessly long route and both Irish and Foreign taxi drivers have talked my ear off about stuff I really couldn't give a toss about.

They're all bad.

You do realise if you have a prefered route, the taxi driver is oblidged to take it, right?

31-12-2010 01:08PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

You do realise if you have a prefered route, the taxi driver is oblidged to take it, right?

Which is why when I notice them take the long route, I tell them so.

TechnoPool · 31-12-2010 01:11PM

shouldnt we be allowed to choose what taxi we get into?

for instance i dont get into ''bangers'' or cabs that are manky when they come to pick you up

as far as race goes....:pac:

twinQuins · 31-12-2010 01:18PM

old_aussie wrote: »

Is that the same version of freedom (or your own special version), that also gives Mahatma coat the right to his opinion.

Everyone in Australia has the right to his own opinion, whether you like it or not!

Do they also have the right to go around beating up Muslims or is that just something you do irrespective of its legality?

drdeadlift · 31-12-2010 01:33PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm not racist but when i see an irish taxi driver I don't get in cause normally they stink of BO and give some sort of sob story of how there's no business and that there are too many taxis, I'd rather jump into a foreign taxi, they might/might not be able to drive in the snow and the may or may not try rape me but atleast i can chat about Chelsea/Arsenal with them!

pc brigade at its very best.

Millicent · 31-12-2010 01:37PM

drdeadlift wrote: »

pc brigade at its very best.

We have our own truck with sirens and everything these days. :pac:

Delancey · 31-12-2010 01:39PM

Years of Government largesse has spawned a ' Racism Industry ' in this country - anyone got any ideas how many publically funded organisations spout nonsense about racism ? I can count 5 off the top of my head and doubtless there are more.
I have never seen /witnessed racism in any form in this country , I don't belive it exists - I believe it is a myth peddled by various groups to justify their continued existence and generous taxpayer funding :mad:

drdeadlift · 31-12-2010 01:42PM

delancey42 wrote: »

Years of Government largesse has spawned a ' Racism Industry ' in this country - anyone got any ideas how many publically funded organisations spout nonsense about racism ? I can count 5 off the top of my head and doubtless there are more.
I have never seen /witnessed racism in any form in this country , I don't belive it exists - I believe it is a myth peddled by various groups to justify their continued existence and generous taxpayer funding :mad:

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