Dynamite!! 2010 Spoilers

JohnMc1 · 25-12-2010 02:46AM

Fromvert wrote: »

Ah Jaysus what a mismatch, Duffee will only last as long as the Reem wants him to.

I thinks its safe to say that this was expected. They weren't going to pit against someone tough so soon after winning the WGP only a couple of weeks ago.

MrStuffins · 27-12-2010 12:50AM

There's a combination od Overeem over-estimation and Duffee under-estimation here.

ScareGilly · 27-12-2010 01:02AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

There's a combination od Overeem over-estimation and Duffee under-estimation here.

That's ridiculous, you could say that about literally every fight if you wanted.

MrStuffins · 27-12-2010 04:10AM

ScareGilly wrote: »

That's ridiculous, you could say that about literally every fight if you wanted.

So, if you could say it about literally every fight, what makes it so ridiculous? Your statement seems ridiculously contradictory!

ScareGilly · 27-12-2010 04:13AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

So, if you could say it about literally every fight, what makes it so ridiculous? Your statement seems ridiculously contradictory!

Well it seemed you were implying that it was just that fight that wasn't as mismatched as people thought, which is why I thought it ridiculous.

MrStuffins · 27-12-2010 04:19AM

ScareGilly wrote: »

Well it seemed you were implying that it was just that fight that wasn't as mismatched as people thought, which is why I thought it ridiculous.

I agree Overeem is the man, but i think a lot of fans tend to get a little carried away with their Overeem fandom! (like quite a few placing him #1 HW or in the Top 3 in the world in the other thread, despite him having never fought a Top 10 HW in his life).

I think Duffee has more than a small chance here. He has some SERIOUS power and Overeem isn't exactly afraid to take a shot.

ScareGilly · 27-12-2010 04:58AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I agree Overeem is the man, but i think a lot of fans tend to get a little carried away with their Overeem fandom! (like quite a few placing him #1 HW or in the Top 3 in the world in the other thread, despite him having never fought a Top 10 HW in his life).

I think Duffee has more than a small chance here. He has some SERIOUS power and Overeem isn't exactly afraid to take a shot.

I've spoken before about my distaste for ranking, and I think it should just be champ and contenders... Although, at the time he fought him, Rogers was in the top 10..

Serious Power? I've only seen his two UFC fights, one was 7 seconds long, in the other, he wasn't able to put Mike Russow away. To me, it seems like Brett Rogers has better stand up and more power than Todd Duffee, and Overeem dispatched him with ease, I'm expecting Overeem to win this fairly comfortably. The only reason people are thinking Duffee has a chance is his 'power' that I have yet to see. This would practically be the same as GSP vs. Koscheck in a stand up fight. All Koscheck/Duffee can do is hope that one big haymaker lands.

MrStuffins · 27-12-2010 05:04AM

ScareGilly wrote: »

I've spoken before about my distaste for ranking, and I think it should just be champ and contenders... Although, at the time he fought him, Rogers was in the top 10..

Serious Power? I've only seen his two UFC fights, one was 7 seconds long, in the other, he wasn't able to put Mike Russow away. To me, it seems like Brett Rogers has better stand up and more power than Todd Duffee, and Overeem dispatched him with ease, I'm expecting Overeem to win this fairly comfortably. The only reason people are thinking Duffee has a chance is his 'power' that I have yet to see. This would practically be the same as GSP vs. Koscheck in a stand up fight. All Koscheck/Duffee can do is hope that one big haymaker lands.

For a start, Overeem DOES NOT equal GSP in ANY way! Another thing, Rogers was not ever a Top 10 HW.

Also, just because it seems a past opponent had this and that, does not mean.... well, anything. Each fight is different. The way Overeem dispatched of Rogers was impressive to say the least, and I would still fancy him to beat Duffee, but the way people are giving him no hope is, in my opinion, a mixture of over-estimation of Overeem and under-estimation of Duffee.

IMO, Overeem would be a nice draw in the UFC, but would get eaten alive by the top guys! We'll never see this however, because he's smashing heads in K-1 and making a shed load of money fighting the James Thompsons of the world in Japan.

ScareGilly · 28-12-2010 12:17AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

For a start, Overeem DOES NOT equal GSP in ANY way! Another thing, Rogers was not ever a Top 10 HW.

Well, this fight is pretty much the same as the Koscheck/GSP fight so I think he equals GSP in this fight? And I think you'll find lots of MMA rankings had him in the top 10 at that point, albeit at number 10.

Also, just because it seems a past opponent had this and that, does not mean.... well, anything. Each fight is different. The way Overeem dispatched of Rogers was impressive to say the least, and I would still fancy him to beat Duffee, but the way people are giving him no hope is, in my opinion, a mixture of over-estimation of Overeem and under-estimation of Duffee.

I agree people are ruling out Duffee too quickly, I can see him landing a few heavy shots/outwrestling, but if that doesn't work, he's gone imo. I was just stating why people might think that Overeem has such a massive chance at winning.

IMO, Overeem would be a nice draw in the UFC, but would get eaten alive by the top guys! We'll never see this however, because he's smashing heads in K-1 and making a shed load of money fighting the James Thompsons of the world in Japan.

A lot of the top guys are in Strikeforce, Fedor, Werdum, Overeem, Bigfoot and Barnett(If he stopped juicin') would all be contenders in the UFC, and he's going to have to fight some of them if this HW Grand Prix goes ahead. The only difference between the UFC heavyweight division and the Strikeforce HW division is depth, all their top fighters are around the same level IMO.

I'd say Overeem would join the UFC if Dana would let him fight in K1, but he won't, so that's not something we'll see.
But by the looks of things, this will turn into a UFC vs. Every other promotion thread so I'll leave it at that...

Jayo_M · 28-12-2010 01:00AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

IMO, Overeem would be a nice draw in the UFC, but would get eaten alive by the top guys! We'll never see this however, because he's smashing heads in K-1 and making a shed load of money fighting the James Thompsons of the world in Japan.

Eaten alive by who? There's no way Cain, JDS or Carwin would eat him alive. All those fights would be very competitive. As for the rest of the division, chances are Overeem would walk through the likes of Lesnar, Nelson, Mir, Schaub and Struve.

MrStuffins · 28-12-2010 01:32AM

Jayo_M wrote: »

Eaten alive by who? There's no way Cain, JDS or Carwin would eat him alive. All those fights would be very competitive. As for the rest of the division, chances are Overeem would walk through the likes of Lesnar, Nelson, Mir, Schaub and Struve.

For a start, Cain and JDS would eat him alive. It's a close fight on the feet, but if it hit the ground, Overeem isn't getting near either fight!

Jayo_M · 28-12-2010 01:47AM

Have to disagree with that. It's not like Overeem is lost on the ground, and I haven't seen anything to suggest Dos Santos is better grappler than him. As for Cain, I don't think his stand up is nearly close to Overeem's. If it hits the ground, chances are it won't stay there for long. Cain struggled to keep Rothwell and Kongo on the ground after he got them there.

ScareGilly · 28-12-2010 02:17AM

*Cough* UFC vs. Other promotions HW Fight Night would be amazing *Cough*
Overeem vs. JDS
Cain vs. Fedor
Barnett vs. Lesnar/Big Nog
Bigfoot vs. Carwin
Mir vs. Werdum
Rogers vs. Nelson
Semmy Schilt vs. Stefan Struve

Off Topic but still, how amazing would they be?
All FoTNs? :rolleyes:

MrStuffins · 28-12-2010 03:31AM

ScareGilly wrote: »

*Cough* UFC vs. Other promotions HW Fight Night would be amazing *Cough*

Overeem vs. JDS
Cain vs. Fedor
Barnett vs. Lesnar/Big Nog
Bigfoot vs. Carwin
Mir vs. Werdum
Rogers vs. Nelson
Semmy Schilt vs. Stefan Struve

Fromvert · 28-12-2010 06:56AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

There's a combination od Overeem over-estimation and Duffee under-estimation here.

Where does the Reem lose this fight?

Standing - Duffee is a dead man.
Wrestling - I don't think Duffee wrestled in college, same can be said about the Reem
Grappling - Didn't the Reem win gold in the European grappling championships a few years ago?

The Reem wins.

Anyone who says otherwise I will easily take odds on him losing this fight.

Jayo_M · 28-12-2010 01:53PM

ScareGilly wrote: »

*Cough* UFC vs. Other promotions HW Fight Night would be amazing *Cough*
Overeem vs. JDS
Cain vs. Fedor
Barnett vs. Lesnar/Big Nog
Bigfoot vs. Carwin
Mir vs. Werdum
Rogers vs. Nelson
Semmy Schilt vs. Stefan Struve

Off Topic but still, how amazing would they be?
All FoTNs? :rolleyes:

That would be pretty class, can only the "UFC'ers" coming away with two wins there thanks to Carwin and Nelson.

Hail 2 Da Thief · 28-12-2010 04:22PM

The Reem is going to smash Dufee IMO. Interesting match-up though, looking forward to seeing how it goes!

The Freeman · 28-12-2010 04:59PM

I am a huge fan of Ubereem i have to say, and have been since before the commonfolk jumped on board, he will win this comfortably imo unless he gets caught of course like any other fghter. but i think he is too smart for this. he has been around for along time and had serious personal problems that reflected his form in mma in the past.
in the past 3 years he has put on alot of weight and is now very comfortable wiith carrying it which makes him very very dangerous.

I don't see where he is bad in a technical sense to be honest, his stand up is super, grappling spoke for itself, and BJJ i am sure is fantastic.

Winning K1 is not beating cans if there is no Badr Hari like someone almost implied on this thread, it is the best kickboxers around. if a winner was to make a transition from K1 to mma there would be alot of talk about it and has been in the past. Ubereem has proved to be a world contender at lhw and almost knocked out chuck in his prime in pride gp back in the day.
He handled a top ten HW at the time like a rag doll(rogers) and now no professional fighter in his weight class wants to fight him, which is saying alot imo after all they would have a better insight than the common fan like you or i(insode information etc)

Plus Bas Rutten trains with him regularly and has said for along time that he is no1!

MrStuffins · 28-12-2010 06:17PM

Fromvert wrote: »

Where does the Reem lose this fight?

Standing - Duffee is a dead man.
Wrestling - I don't think Duffee wrestled in college, same can be said about the Reem
Grappling - Didn't the Reem win gold in the European grappling championships a few years ago?

The Reem wins.

Anyone who says otherwise I will easily take odds on him losing this fight.

Overeem wins this fight.

MrStuffins wrote: »

.....I would still fancy him to beat Duffee, but the way people are giving him no hope is, in my opinion, a mixture of over-estimation of Overeem and under-estimation of Duffee.

ScareGilly · 28-12-2010 08:45PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Overeem vs. JDS
Cain vs. Fedor
Barnett vs. Lesnar/Big Nog
Bigfoot vs. Carwin
Mir vs. Werdum
Rogers vs. Nelson
Semmy Schilt vs. Stefan Struve

Hmm...
I'd go with

Overeem vs. JDS - Too close to call
Cain vs. Fedor
Barnett vs. Lesnar/Big Nog - Beats Lesnar but Big Nog would be a good fight
Bigfoot vs. Carwin - His Shovel head would take a beating in the first, Carwin would gas and then Bigfoot would come back in the 2nd
Mir vs. Werdum - Unless Mir brings the fight to the ground he should win.
Rogers vs. Nelson
Semmy Schilt vs. Stefan Struve - Too close to call again :mad:

Damn me and my incredible matchmaking skills, I should replace Joe Silva :rolleyes:

MrStuffins · 28-12-2010 09:02PM

ScareGilly wrote: »

Semmy Schilt vs. Stefan Struve - Too close to call again :mad:

Damn me and my incredible matchmaking skills, I should replace Joe Silva :rolleyes:

I actually should've said the same as you as far as this fight is concerned! It's almost a guy fighting in a mirror! Although Schilt would obviously have the pedigree, he wouldn't have the speed etc.

ScareGilly · 28-12-2010 11:15PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I actually should've said the same as you as far as this fight is concerned! It's almost a guy fighting in a mirror! Although Schilt would obviously have the pedigree, he wouldn't have the speed etc.

Schilt destroys him on the feet, Struve destroys him on the ground, that's how I'd see it

Jayo_M · 28-12-2010 11:43PM

ScareGilly wrote: »

Schilt destroys him on the feet, Struve destroys him on the ground, that's how I'd see it

Exactly this. Only thing similar about them is their height, they use it in completely different ways. I don't see how Struve gets it to the ground and I'd imagine he'd eat a horrendous amount of shots trying to get it there!

29-12-2010 12:04AM

ScareGilly wrote: »

Schilt destroys him on the feet, Struve destroys him on the ground, that's how I'd see it

I think Shilt takes it any way it goes. Struve hasn't impressed me at all so far.

MrStuffins · 29-12-2010 12:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Shilt takes it any way it goes. Struve hasn't impressed me at all so far.

Are you having a laugh? How can you not be impressed by Struve's flying kree?

Tones69 · 29-12-2010 01:20PM

22, fighting in the UFC and with a few wins too,just beat mc corkle who beat mark hunt pretty easily who would be a well respected athlete all around the world (mostly k1 world yes), turned around and beat Stonjic in germany ufc 99 after he got BUST up in the first round, impressesed me anyway. Also had the chance to talk with him backstage at ufc 99 in germany, very sound humble dude, I dont think hes winning any UFC HW titles but hell yeah he gets the thumbs up from me

The Freeman · 29-12-2010 02:01PM

Tones69 wrote: »

22, fighting in the UFC and with a few wins too,just beat mc corkle who beat mark hunt pretty easily who would be a well respected athlete all around the world (mostly k1 world yes), turned around and beat Stonjic in germany ufc 99 after he got BUST up in the first round, impressesed me anyway. Also had the chance to talk with him backstage at ufc 99 in germany, very sound humble dude, I dont think hes winning any UFC HW titles but hell yeah he gets the thumbs up from me

he has heart and a very exciting fighter thats for sure, he is only 22 and still learning and improving, i do have a feeling that once he puts on 50 pounds or so in the next year or so that he will be a proper contender.

Professey Chin · 29-12-2010 03:56PM

Looks like they got Duffees visa through since its finally official.
And im not sure how much camera perspective plays a part in this but Overeem looks to dwarf Duffee.

Press conference quotes from MMA Fighting:

Alistair Overeem - "I will wait and see what DREAM decides (about the DREAM heavyweight title). I think Todd is ready to put on a hard fight, and he has a great record so far, so a title fight is possible. I do know once I have the belt I will defend it. Anyone is welcome to come here and challenge me, and I will fight absolutely anyone to defend it."

Todd Duffee - "I’d like to clarify one thing. I asked my manager for this fight. I had heard that (DREAM) were having trouble finding an opponent, and that many people had turned down the fight. Every fight is a risk. It was a chance to fight a great opponent and to fight in Japan. I’m not here to have a padded record or anything; I just want to see what I can do. This was a good chance to do that against a great name."

Alistair "Demolition Man" Overeem (33-11)
Win Brett Rogers - TKO (Punches) Strikeforce
Win Kazuyuki Fujita - KO (Knee) K-1 - Dynamite
Win James Thompson - Submission (Guillotine Choke) Dream 12
Win Tony Sylvester - Submission (Guillotine Choke) UG 11

Todd Duffee (6-1)
Loss Mike Russow - KO (Punch) UFC 114
Win Tim Hague - KO (Punches) UFC 102
Win Assuerio Silva - TKO (Punches) JF 11
Win Josh Bennett - KO (Punches) ANFC 2

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/12/29/1902010/snapshot-of-the-day-alistair-overeem-vs-todd-duffee-is-official

chopperbyrne · 29-12-2010 04:18PM

What time will this be on and is there an official paid for stream?

Jayo_M · 29-12-2010 04:33PM

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Looks like they got Duffees visa through since its finally official.
And im not sure how much camera perspective plays a part in this but Overeem looks to dwarf Duffee.

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