Membership fees

bogmanfan · 22-12-2010 06:55PM

Can you leave, and then rejoin as a new member?

AldilaMan · 22-12-2010 08:36PM

No.

Sandwlch · 22-12-2010 10:20PM

AldilaMan wrote: »

Increasing subs in this climate will NOT balance the books or maximise revenue. In a €1200 annual sub situation, every member lost to an increase needs 12 members to cough up an extra €100 to break even. If 700 members are asked to pay an extra €100 per year, and 100 members decide to leave, then the club has gained 600x€100 (€60,000 increased revenue) and lost 100x€1200 (€120,000 lost revenue) a net loss of €60,000. Break even point would be a loss of 45 or 46 members.

Just one member's view with some economic sense about the world we now live in.

I was suggesting that the 1200 sub club has room to cut its expenses and should not increase its sub further, so your calculation is a bit of a misreading of my post. Also, no one can accurately predict the actual movement of members, so even on you calculation, say you lost 20 members then the club would be in a net gain position. It is for the many clubs with 600,700 subs that increasing them could be the correct strategy.

Nor am I advocating such an increase as a general policy for all clubs, just pointing out that each clubs situation is different and different strategies will be approproiate in each case.

Sandwlch · 22-12-2010 10:27PM

The Nark wrote: »

Sorry Sandwich. I'm afraid that I find your logic almost offensive. Many of the golfers "struggling to keep their membership" have been club members for decades, supporting & representing their club as loyal club members do.

Your cold and impersonal analysis does not reflect the "club" in golf club.

No insult intended. But its not so easy managing the finances in a golf club these days with less disposable income, fewer golfers, unemployed members, members on short time, few greenfee visitors, and less (=almost no) corporate golf and society income. Yet still try to maintain a level of facility for the members of the club whose subs have built it over many years and not have it go bust and return to pasture. I assure you there is nothing impersonal about it - the task is doubly difficult when many of the members are your family, friends and neighbours in whose company you spend a great portion of you leisure time. It would be nice to be in a position to reduce subs for all, but if the consequence put the viability of the club as a whole at risk, then that is a reckless choice. When election time for officer/council posts comes around each year there is no forest of raised hands willing to take on the chore - they would be very welcome to it, and the grief and criticism that comes with it, if they did.

decko11 · 23-12-2010 02:19PM

wonka wrote: »

I'm a member in Kinsale Golf Club, Cork - and the cost of next years membership is €1200, which i think is quite excessive. 1k is the fee, plus 100 for the bar, another 100 as a 'levy'. Maybe FF are in charge!!!

I'd like to find our what others are paying, as i really am considering moving club to save money.

maybe a survey would be good!!!

nah the FF ers prefer to hang around old head (from what I have heard )

AldilaMan · 23-12-2010 02:33PM

Sandwlch wrote: »

I was suggesting that the 1200 sub club has room to cut its expenses and should not increase its sub further, so your calculation is a bit of a misreading of my post. Also, no one can accurately predict the actual movement of members, so even on you calculation, say you lost 20 members then the club would be in a net gain position. It is for the many clubs with 600,700 subs that increasing them could be the correct strategy.

Nor am I advocating such an increase as a general policy for all clubs, just pointing out that each clubs situation is different and different strategies will be approproiate in each case.

I take your point at the 1200 end having re read your post. I'd love to think we were only going to lose 20 members and maybe that's the number the committee had in mind (or a little more). Last year we lost circa 135 and took on 40 so a net loss of 95 members. I wouldn't mind having a bet with Paddy Power on my numbers which I'm predicting at >100 to leave.

golfwallah · 23-12-2010 03:15PM

Just heard on the grapevine that Balcarrick in Donabate is announcing reduced subs at €1,150 for Full Members & €775 for 5 Day plus they have a whole range of different membership offerings.

I also heard they were profitable for last 2 years, which shows they have their costs under control.

Good value for a quality course.

rafared · 23-12-2010 09:18PM

Navan are offereing full membership for the cost of the sub which is 820E as far as I'm aware. The AGM was last tuesday and I know a cost reduction was due for discussion but I couldnt attend that night and havent heard if any change was made. That said the green staff have been on a 3 day week for ages and the condition of the course has gone downhill so maybe it doesnt represent good value in todays climate.
170 members didnt renew last year, 30 new people joined though leaving a net loss of 140 members. They also have had the membership on offer since september for 820E as a 15 months for the price of 12 deal and there were no takers.
All in all not a pretty picture.

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AldilaMan · 26-12-2010 05:32PM

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glennhysen · 27-12-2010 05:56PM

Trampas wrote: »

That is an increase on this year of €50. I didn't play it this year but the previous years it was hardly ever dry under foot.

Seems like clubs are increasing fees which is crazy imo

The increase of €50 was to cover the shortfall of €30k from last year after the club's membership was reduced by 250/300.

I've been a member there for the last 3 years and the course drainage use to be poor but this year the work they have been doing seemed to pay off as the course was in the best condition I have ever seen.

rafared · 29-12-2010 02:50PM

rafared wrote: »

Navan are offereing full membership for the cost of the sub which is 820E as far as I'm aware. The AGM was last tuesday and I know a cost reduction was due for discussion but I couldnt attend that night and havent heard if any change was made. That said the green staff have been on a 3 day week for ages and the condition of the course has gone downhill so maybe it doesnt represent good value in todays climate.
170 members didnt renew last year, 30 new people joined though leaving a net loss of 140 members. They also have had the membership on offer since september for 820E as a 15 months for the price of 12 deal and there were no takers.
All in all not a pretty picture.

Just an update to let people know that the membership cost for next year in Navan remains the same at 820E.

Mister Sifter · 29-12-2010 08:12PM

rafared wrote: »

Just an update to let people know that the membership cost for next year in Navan remains the same at 820E.

Far too expensive for the quality of the course. Isn't that the same annual sub as Headfort? Fair enough there's a joining fee of a couple of grand up there (which rumours suggest is about to fall further), but clubs such as Navan need to cop on if they're going to get themselves out of trouble.

rafared · 29-12-2010 10:33PM

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Far too expensive for the quality of the course. Isn't that the same annual sub as Headfort? Fair enough there's a joining fee of a couple of grand up there (which rumours suggest is about to fall further), but clubs such as Navan need to cop on if they're going to get themselves out of trouble.

Not sure about headfort but I'll be surprised if Navan lasts 2 more years.
Its basically run by HRI (horse racing ireland) who dont give a rats ass about the club. In my opinion they are hoping members leave so they can close it down.

bumpynut · 30-12-2010 11:10PM

joined castleknock gc in sept. they were doing a deal 1750.00 . from sept until end of 2011 , + 150 .00 bar levy great value , considering it was 3300.00 last year . bit OTT i guess last year that is . great club but .

golfbgud · 31-12-2010 10:58AM

rafared wrote: »

Not sure about headfort but I'll be surprised if Navan lasts 2 more years.
Its basically run by HRI (horse racing ireland) who dont give a rats ass about the club. In my opinion they are hoping members leave so they can close it down.

Headfort 2011 season - The annual sub for full member is €979.00

Dr_Colossus · 31-12-2010 12:30PM

golfbgud wrote: »

Headfort 2011 season - The annual sub for full member is €979.00

That's includes playing rights to both old and new course? Played the new course for the first time last Sept and although wet and playing really long it looks like a great club with impressive facilities. Haven't played the old course yet.
Is there a joining fee involved or do they offer distant membership? Heard rumors on here that there was talk of a distant membership option.

golfwallah · 31-12-2010 01:07PM

Some comparative 1st year rates as of today - good shopping:

First Year 7 Day Membership subs (2011 unless otherwise indicated)
Hollywood Lakes €1,337 (Full), €950 (Introductory – subject to restrictions)
Balcarrick €1,150 (Full), €500 (Introductory – subject to restrictions)
Donabate €1,469
Beaverstown €3,000
Corrstown €1,492
Newlands €1,444
Stackstown €1,344
Hollystown €1,090
Rathcore €859 (Annual – for limited time)
Navan €820
Headfort €979
Turvey (in receivership) €2,250 (Full), €1250 (Annual) – 2010 rates
Moyvalley (in receivership) €850
Woodlands (Kildare) €850
Ashbourne €3,162 (Full), €1,500 (Annual – subject to restrictions)
Skerries €6,500
Balbriggan €8,000
Malahide €10,000
St. Annes €5,000
The Island €20,000

golfbgud · 31-12-2010 01:23PM

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

That's includes playing rights to both old and new course? Played the new course for the first time last Sept and although wet and playing really long it looks like a great club with impressive facilities. Haven't played the old course yet.
Is there a joining fee involved or do they offer distant membership? Heard rumors on here that there was talk of a distant membership option.

Yes there is a sign on fee but it was significally reduced in recent years. Give the office a call and they will fill you in on all the details. Still represents good value for two courses in a members owned club......

saintastic · 31-12-2010 02:18PM

Glen of the Downs, Bray, Co. Wicklow:

5 day €1,200
7 day €1,998

No entry fee.

Boden08 · 31-12-2010 04:19PM

golfwallah wrote: »

Some comparative 1st year rates as of today - good shopping:

First Year 7 Day Membership subs (2011 unless otherwise indicated)
Hollywood Lakes €1,337 (Full), €950 (Introductory – subject to restrictions)
Balcarrick €1,150 (Full), €500 (Introductory – subject to restrictions)
Donabate €1,469
Beaverstown €3,000
Corrstown €1,492
Newlands €1,444
Stackstown €1,344
Hollystown €1,090
Rathcore €859 (Annual – for limited time)
Navan €820
Headfort €979
Turvey (in receivership) €2,250 (Full), €1250 (Annual) – 2010 rates
Moyvalley (in receivership) €850
Woodlands (Kildare) €850
Ashbourne €3,162 (Full), €1,500 (Annual – subject to restrictions)
Skerries €6,500
Balbriggan €8,000
Malahide €10,000
St. Annes €5,000
The Island €20,000

Are you suggesting that Newlands, Stackstown, Corrstown & Donabate have no joining fee???
Don't think that's the case in all those clubs!

Jimdagym · 31-12-2010 04:35PM

Balbriggan is 2k if you pay up front. Its a special they are runnin g since late summer.

Mister Sifter · 31-12-2010 06:47PM

Boden08 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Newlands, Stackstown, Corrstown & Donabate have no joining fee???
Don't think that's the case in all those clubs!

pretty sure that Corrstown & Donabate don't.

rafared · 31-12-2010 07:09PM

Jimdagym wrote: »

Balbriggan is 2k if you pay up front. Its a special they are runnin g since late summer.

Is that 2k all in or sub on top of that?

Jimdagym · 31-12-2010 08:14PM

rafared wrote: »

Is that 2k all in or sub on top of that?

Sub on top. That's just hello money. Down from 8k

Jimdagym · 31-12-2010 08:17PM

Mister Sifter wrote: »

pretty sure that Corrstown & Donabate don't.

They both have agreements where you can be an annual member for up to 3 years. Think it's 4.5k to join corrstown then, and it's 10k for Donabate.
All the info for corrstown is on their site and Donabate told me over the phone last summer when I was looking for a club. Remember thinking it was lunacy to pay 10k into it.

Boden08 · 31-12-2010 09:40PM

Jimdagym wrote: »

Sub on top. That's just hello money. Down from 8k

2k is a good deal for Balbriggan - very good course.
Wouldn't be getting into Newlands or Stackstown without hello money!

rafared · 31-12-2010 10:35PM

Jimdagym wrote: »

Sub on top. That's just hello money. Down from 8k

Thanks. That would make your first payment around 3K so?

heavyballs · 01-01-2011 08:21AM

saintastic wrote: »

Glen of the Downs, Bray, Co. Wicklow:

5 day €1,200
7 day €1,998

No entry fee.

i think 2k for that course is too high,what do the regular members pay as a yearly sub?
,i presume the €2k offer is similar to the Druids Glen/Heath offer whereby it's on a yearly basis only and the club can pull the plug on it after each year if they wish

how do GOTD's expect people to pay that sort of money when the Glen's only €2600(i think)for 2 (better)courses and the gym membership plus a 5 day in Adare Manor thrown in .........? btw no i'm not a member of either.

Jimdagym · 01-01-2011 10:39AM

rafared wrote: »

Thanks. That would make your first payment around 3K so?

I think it's around 1150 a year. You can spread that over the year though. There is a levy of a hundred or 150 which I think ends this year. It's for the pro shop. Dint quote me though.
Living in Balbriggan, I was straight on to the course when they posted info to me about this rate reduction. But I was enquiring wether you could spread the 2k over a year or two. I simply don't have that sitting there. But the very helpful admin (Elaine, I think) went to the council for me but came back with a definite no. If that changes before I join somewhere else, I'd jump at it.

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