I told children that there was no such thing as Santa.

Maldjd23 · 27-12-2010 08:19AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am completely serious. I do not think it is selfish to tell children the truth.
I think it is more damaging to fill a childs mind with nonsense.

I honestly can't get my head around your actions...Don't get me wrong i am open minded, very much so but a child's innocence is something to be treasured and cannot be reclaimed..Let them have it...In a few years they will be aware of so many bad things..War...Poverty and last but not least their own mortality...I also find it bizarre that you have taken it upon yourself to ruin children that are not your own??!!..If you were my sister you would never see me nor my kids again..

Maldjd23 · 27-12-2010 08:23AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

You certainly have, your post reads like a James Joyce novel

But I'd agree with your point, I see Jimmy and made an assumption, I realy shouldn't make an assumption

Lol..You won't be the first person i have confused with my drunken ramblings...I apologise...

Jet Black · 27-12-2010 08:27AM

I know someone who did this with their kids. The get an argos book before christmas and highlight what they want. Sounds fun:-) christmas eve and day was a real barrel of laughs in that household.
I love seeing the excitement on my childs face and would not give it up for anything.

Jimmy Garlic · 27-12-2010 08:36AM

Maldjd23 wrote: »

I honestly can't get my head around your actions...Don't get me wrong i am open minded, very much so but a child's innocence is something to be treasured and cannot be reclaimed..Let them have it...In a few years they will be aware of so many bad things..War...Poverty and last but not least their own mortality...I also find it bizarre that you have taken it upon yourself to ruin children that are not your own??!!..If you were my sister you would never see me nor my kids again..

Very melodramatic, you would disown your own sister if she told your children that a bearded obese man in a silly hat and suit didn't exist?? that's extreme.. You seem like the type that sits around watching Opera Winfrey and getting emotional over nothing. I could be wrong but that is the impression that I get.

I can assure you that my children are very happy and fun loving, they are all very inquisitive and I prefer to teach them useful information instead of nonsense about santa and the easter bunny. They enjoy cartoons like most other children but they know that the characters do not exist in the real world. My six year old actually prefers documentaries about nature and how things are made. She has a good attention span, she can concentrate on something for more than five minutes.. The same can not be said for most other children.

Jimmy Garlic · 27-12-2010 08:47AM

Kepti wrote: »

How has your sister reacted?

She initially had a bad reaction but once I sat her down and explained my position she cooled down. I spend a lot of time with her children (she is a single mother), I buy them cloths, I feed them in my house, I often look after them and I take one of them to school. I think I have earned the right to have a say in their lives.

DOC09UNAM · 27-12-2010 08:48AM

Troll alert.

Jimmy Garlic · 27-12-2010 08:52AM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Troll alert.

Oh grow up. Would you accuse me of being a troll if you agreed with me?..I don't think so.

xoxyx · 27-12-2010 08:54AM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Troll alert.

Oh I don't know. According to the OP, he's convinced teachers, children, and now even mothers of the validity of his ways. Maybe we should just listen harder (to his nonsense).

efb · 27-12-2010 08:54AM

And jimmy comes on here to get a further fix of shock and anger.

Have you covered S&M yet with the 6 year old? Fisting? because you fo tell them everything???

I would just tell my niece and nephew to avoid the man with the strange tales and his kids

And I believe this whole story is BS so you can provoke a reaction

Kepti · 27-12-2010 09:32AM

efb wrote: »

And jimmy comes on here to get a further fix of shock and anger.

Have you covered S&M yet with the 6 year old? Fisting? because you fo tell them everything???

I would just tell my niece and nephew to avoid the man with the strange tales and his kids

And I believe this whole story is BS so you can provoke a reaction

He only told the truth about christmas, let's not try to paint him as some sort of sexual deviant whispering the mysteries of fisting to children. Keep in mind he's keeping the children away from the laps of disguised bearded men.

It doesn't seem like there was any malice in what he did. Even if you don't agree with it, it's clear that he cares about the children. I still say it was the mothers call, but this isn't the 'evil' act some of the hysterical are making it out to be.

27-12-2010 09:43AM

Which is worse.
A lie that draws a smile, or a truth that draws a tear?

If there is anyone to feel sorry for it's the OP. It's the most magical and wonderful feeling in the world to watch your children get so excited about Santa. I would hate to miss out on all of that. Miss out on writing letters, miss out on a big trip to see the man himself, miss out on baking cookies to leave out on Christmas eve, miss out on being woken up at 7 in the morning with a big smile wondering if he has been yet.

Yep, the OP is missing out big time poor thing.

kippy · 27-12-2010 09:48AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Basically I told my sisters children that santa didn't exist and the red and white Santa character was created by coca cola marketers in the early 1930s. I never lied to my 3 children, if they ask me a question I will answer it truthfully, I never led them to believe that santa existed.. We constantly tell our children not to lie, if you lead your children to believe that santa exists then you are a liar and a hypocrite.

Aren't you the legend.
So you never lied to your own 3 children about anything.
They must have had a pretty boring upbringing, no fairy tales or anything.

Improbable · 27-12-2010 09:48AM

You never lie to your children? Ever? How about if they ask you if you think their drawing is good? You'd tell them that it's a terrible drawing?

antocann · 27-12-2010 09:49AM

op sounds like a dick

and the whole about santa wasnt created by the coca cola company
you kinda need to check your facts there

pickarooney · 27-12-2010 09:51AM

/cross-checks posts with Atheism and Agnosticism forum

Improbable wrote: »

You never lie to your children? Ever? How about if they ask you if you think their drawing is good? You'd tell them that it's a terrible drawing?

Personally, I don't see the point in telling a child that everything he does is wonderful. It doesn't encourage them to make any effort and there's no feeling of achievement when everything is rated the same. I wouldn't laugh at a child's drawing or tell them it was **** but I wouldn't shy away from telling them it's not their best picture ever or could do with a bit more attention to detail.

That won't surprise many people though, I guess

efb · 27-12-2010 09:56AM

Kepti wrote: »

He only told the truth about christmas, let's not try to paint him as some sort of sexual deviant whispering the mysteries of fisting to children. Keep in mind he's keeping the children away from the laps of disguised bearded men.

It doesn't seem like there was any malice in what he did. Even if you don't agree with it, it's clear that he cares about the children. I still say it was the mothers call, but this isn't the 'evil' act some of the hysterical are making it out to be.

He said he told his kids the truth if they asked him, being so wonderfully intelligent and articulate I'm sure sex has come up

Improbable · 27-12-2010 10:03AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Personally, I don't see the point in telling a child that everything he does is wonderful. It doesn't encourage them to make any effort and there's no feeling of achievement when everything is rated the same. I wouldn't laugh at a child's drawing or tell them it was **** but I wouldn't shy away from telling them it's not their best picture ever or could do with a bit more attention to detail.

That won't surprise many people though, I guess

I would imagine the reason you wouldn't tell them that it's terrible is to spare their feelings. It's not so much to do with telling the children that they're wonderful and brilliant but the double standard of shielding them emotionally from one thing and not another.

Maldjd23 · 27-12-2010 10:05AM

Kepti wrote: »

If you're praying for the death of others, chances are you don't have as much figured out as you think.

look up the definition of a joke my friend!!!

Cicero · 27-12-2010 10:07AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

.. We constantly tell our children not to lie, if you lead your children to believe that santa exists then you are a liar and a hypocrite.

Let me guess...you're from the Church of Scientology, right?;)

HellboundIRL · 27-12-2010 10:14AM

I don't get what was so wrong with the way we were brought up, are we emotionally scarred from all these "lies"?

Its being a miserable old ****e is what it is, teach your kids to respect what others may believe and shut their trap - its a good lesson to learn.

pickarooney · 27-12-2010 10:34AM

Improbable wrote: »

I would imagine the reason you wouldn't tell them that it's terrible is to spare their feelings. It's not so much to do with telling the children that they're wonderful and brilliant but the double standard of shielding them emotionally from one thing and not another.

Not really. I don't think any artistic effort is truly 'terrible' and not having any talent myself it would be stupid to tell someone else they were no good especially if they'd made a concerted effort. Constructive criticism is good for them.

Would you consider not telling a child there is a Santa the same thing as telling them there is no Santa?

irjudge · 27-12-2010 10:52AM

Eh Lads, This is a ridiculous discussion for one simple reason.

Santa does exist.

scary · 27-12-2010 10:57AM

Jimmy a question and its serious, have you ever hugged your children? expressed any sort of emotional warmth to them? and what was your father like to you, my opinion and thats all it is, is that you grew up with a lack of love and positive emotion.

Kepti · 27-12-2010 11:09AM

efb wrote: »

He said he told his kids the truth if they asked him, being so wonderfully intelligent and articulate I'm sure sex has come up

I understand the point you were trying to make, it just ended up sounding a little extreme. One can educate their children about sex without the subtopics of sadomachoism or fisting coming up.

Maldjd23 wrote: »

Kepti wrote: »

If you're praying for the death of others, chances are you don't have as much figured out as you think.

look up the definition of a joke my friend!!!

Look up how to quote, buddy! Nothing in your post indicated that you were joking, but you're drunk so you get a pass.

NotInventedHere · 27-12-2010 11:13AM

I can understand the OPs point, Santa is a shared lie that is that perhaps has lost it's original meaning. But because most people like the idea, I go along with it myself. I do tell the children that I have to pay Santa for the presents though which does temper their demands somewhat.

27-12-2010 11:17AM

OP, that was not a decision for you to make. It was your sister's. You are not their parent, she is. You deserve to be ostracised, and your children taken from you. I see no difference between your "parenting" and those hicks in the US who go protest at US servicemen funerals. The less children raised to your unattainable standards of "perfection" the better.

If I knew anyone who'd do that to someone else's kids, I'd slap them in the face.

Edt: I jut read the first post again. Garlic, why did you start this thread. Was it to ask a question? Or simply to lay a marker in AH "HEY EVREHWUN, AI AM RITE AN YU ARE RONG WIT YER STUPID KID GAMES AI AM NOT A LYAR AND YU ALL R. AI AM SUPERIOOR TO ALL OF U!"

>Or are you simply baiting us?<

(Gee I wonder which it is)

Kidchameleon · 27-12-2010 11:23AM

Hey Jimmy, are you that guy from the Meteor ad?

KylieWyley · 27-12-2010 11:27AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am completely serious. I do not think it is selfish to tell children the truth.
I think it is more damaging to fill a childs mind with nonsense.

You really are a killjoy, aren't you...?

SCROOGE! :mad:

Improbable · 27-12-2010 11:28AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Not really. I don't think any artistic effort is truly 'terrible' and not having any talent myself it would be stupid to tell someone else they were no good especially if they'd made a concerted effort. Constructive criticism is good for them.

Would you consider not telling a child there is a Santa the same thing as telling them there is no Santa?

I would consider it terrible if it's supposed to be a fish and looks nothing like one. Constructive criticism is of course good but that's not the point. The point is that you wouldn't tell them flat out that its just bad because you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings (presumably). So you're protecting them in one way but then "harming" them in another.

And there is a difference between the two situations because not telling a child that santa exists doesn't take away an established emotional joy from them, whereas telling them that santa doesn't exist does do that.

CDfm · 27-12-2010 11:35AM

I am not disputing what you did but your motives seem more to do with you than other people and your need to have an ordered factual existence.

As for santa being harmfull what ages are you talking about - I dont know when I stopped believing 8 or 9 and it is part of the games children play with their parents to pretend belief.

Children have great imaginations and play is as important to a child and a childs development as education and school is. Your posts remind me of the Simpsons episode where Santa's little helper needs an operation and Homer spills the beans " There is no doggie heaven".

It may be that you like the controversy and drama that these things bring to your life while taking the moral high ground. It makes your life more exciting and puts you at the center of attention. Thats why I think you do it. Just like a troll but in real life.

So you are not thinking of your children or others just yourself and your drama and being out of step with the world gives you that.

My instinct here is to run with the drama queen option.

So Jimmy Garlic your new years resolution should be to think of others and not yourself and if you have 2 options ,one that is controvercial and the other not to go with the least controvercial option.

I told children that there was no such thing as Santa.

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