Climate Change Bill

EI.... your normally very on the ball.

I'm not going to trawl for stats etc... but you know they are there.

Real climate change may not happen in our lifetime, but it will happen.

If reducing our co2 output now helps alleviate this, then I've no real problem with it.


And to the OP, cutting co2 consumption may affect economic output if your smelting iron or something but in the vast majority of cases this doesn't have to be the case.
The company I work for (telecoms multinational) committed to & achieved a cut in co2 consumption of 30% on 2008 levels.
They achieved that target earlier in the year & in doing so considerably reduced operating costs costs, so despite a drop in revenues due to the recession the company was still very profitable.

Plus, a bill that will have cross party support is not a Green party plot to our way of life!

spank_inferno wrote: »

EI.... your normally very on the ball.

I'm not going to trawl for stats etc... but you know they are there.

Real climate change may not happen in our lifetime, but it will happen.

If reducing our co2 output now helps alleviate this, then I've no real problem with it.


And to the OP, cutting co2 consumption may affect economic output if your smelting iron or something but in the vast majority of cases this doesn't have to be the case.
The company I work for (telecoms multinational) committed to & achieved a cut in co2 consumption of 30% on 2008 levels.
They achieved that target earlier in the year & in doing so considerably reduced operating costs costs, so despite a drop in revenues due to the recession the company was still very profitable.

Plus, a bill that will have cross party support is not a Green party plot to our way of life!

Whether climate change occurs or not (another topic altogether)

Do I need to keep pointing at the big elephant in the room with "IMF/EU" tattoed on its side

Our country has no money left, we have been setback 2 decades easily, and if you strip away all the assets bought on debt then this country is even poorer.
Developing countries are exempt from carbon scam, we should be exempt too until we get back on our feet since we are now a developing retarding country

Anyways the whole carbon targets thing is a joke in a world where the largest polluter USA is ignoring it and concentrating on creating jobs for its citizens (something our politicians dont care about! they rather spend valuable time on dog beeding bills and build refuges in wicklow)
and of course the second largest polluter China are claiming that they are "developing"


By pushing ahead with all these targets and taxation now the Greens are setting up the stage for a huge anti- Green backlash, its hard for people to believe in global warming (spend time thinking about) when they unemployed and are freezing at home due to fuels being more expensive


Fix the economy first, this bill will set back the election we need so much by another month

NSNO wrote: »

I hate this attitude that life must be put on hold simply because of our current financial difficulties. Yes it's a difficult time and yes many people are struggling deeply but life, and legislation, must go on.

In 50 years time, these economic difficulties will have been forgotten. However, unless we legislate properly and with consensus on a national plan for dealing with climate change and energy security we will be unprepared for a crisis which will make our current one look like small fry.

We will get through these difficulties, regardless of whether we have a general election in February or March.

You lost your job, your wife lost her job, your kids are hungry, there is no dole and the only money you can get is from the local loan shark at high interest

do you

a. take care of your family and try get back on your feet
b. borrow money at high interest and insulate your home

Ren2k7 wrote: »

By dealing with this important issue now we can avoid the consequences later on.

we can not afford to deal with this issue now, this will ensure the economy is even more uncompetitive while the likes of China continue to build a new coal plant every week making all our efforts pointless

a state borrowing from IMF should be looking after its people first and foremost, dont come here moaning that the government is not doing anything about unemployment, this bill would ensure even less employment as more business move.

djpbarry wrote: »

c. Close doors after you’ve left rooms, turn off lights when rooms are not in use, turn off appliances, etc.

that will not feed your children

what we are doing now is borrowing money at high interest from the local loan shark (IMF) since the wife (piblic sector) doesnt want to loose some weight or cares much for the children (welfare)
whats worse we turn around and are handing hundreds of millions of this borrowed money to wind industry, who are not state run

its madness

djpbarry wrote: »

Trying to keep the energy bills to a minimum won't help feed the children?

but thats not what the government is doing :rolleyes:



we are borrowing money at ~7% from the loan shark (IMF) only to give a few hundred million of this a year to the wind industry/lobby
at a time when we are closing hospitals and cutting welfare (and not dealing with public paybill)
thats craziness
on top of that as added insult everyone (business or private) pays more for electricity in order to subsidise wind which is not capable of competing on price and reliability, this impacts consumers who face higher prices and business who can not compete due to high energy costs

the "green" policies are already costing the economy money at a time when there is none and jobs at a time when we need them

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Whether climate change occurs or not (another topic altogether)

Do I need to keep pointing at the big elephant in the room with "IMF/EU" tattoed on its side

Our country has no money left, we have been setback 2 decades easily, and if you strip away all the assets bought on debt then this country is even poorer.
Developing countries are exempt from carbon scam, we should be exempt too until we get back on our feet since we are now a developing retarding country

Anyways the whole carbon targets thing is a joke in a world where the largest polluter USA is ignoring it and concentrating on creating jobs for its citizens (something our politicians dont care about! they rather spend valuable time on dog beeding bills and build refuges in wicklow)
and of course the second largest polluter China are claiming that they are "developing"


By pushing ahead with all these targets and taxation now the Greens are setting up the stage for a huge anti- Green backlash, its hard for people to believe in global warming (spend time thinking about) when they unemployed and are freezing at home due to fuels being more expensive


Fix the economy first, this bill will set back the election we need so much by another month

Very well said.
Turning emissions into a commodity is totally insane and the European carbon market demonstrates it.
The credits are in fact highly leveraged debt, premised on a future change nobody can assure - the only people who benefit are Goldman Sachs, Corporate greed and the climate alumni and the bureaucrats implementing this lunacy.


It’s nothing more but a tax scam masquerading as environmental policies where big corporations are given a free ride and the regular citizen/ small business are held to impossible standards, penalized, charged and exploited with political correctness.

What could be more ironic than people freezing in their homes because of alleged global warming?
If Obama only touches on Cap and Trade again, he will not get a second term.

RichieC wrote: »

Just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTUuckNHgc


cant figure out how to embedd.

The climate has changed since the inception of the planet and will continue to do just that.
Taxing climate is like taxing water because it’s wet.