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Drugs in Prison

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Regardless of the masts and directional pulses stopping the phones working - why in the name of god do they have phones to begin with?? They should not have them in prison and they should all be confiscated. Seriously what is the point of prison if its literally nothing to these people but a roof over their head?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭AntiMatter


    Kimia wrote: »
    Regardless of the masts and directional pulses stopping the phones working - why in the name of god do they have phones to begin with?? They should not have them in prison and they should all be confiscated. Seriously what is the point of prison if its literally nothing to these people but a roof over their head?

    You'll pay circa 500 euros for a mobile phone in Mountjoy. Nice business if you can get it.

    The criminals seem to have moved on from GSM technology, in any rate...

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfauidgbmhkf/rss2/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭rorymcgrory


    Kiera wrote: »
    Was just thinking the same thing. Fúck them if they cant get drugs and fúck them if they try to start riots about it. Lock them up in their cells and dont let them out!

    Thats not fair. Would you like being stuck in a cell All day?. Cut them A little slack afterall it is christmas. Scroogie

    Happy christmas to one and all.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    AntiMatter wrote: »
    And through thick prison walls? It's not just as simple as it sounds.
    I presume there are masts near Mountjoy to contend with also.
    ...And they are finding ways around some of those prison that have that tech anyway...
    ...quick-thinking criminals are using bluetooth headsets in a bid to get around the sophisticated technology. Mobile phones are left outside prison windows and once paired with a bluetooth device in near proximity can be used by inmates to talk to colleagues and family on the outside.
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sniffer-dogs-to-screen-prison-officers-in-drug-smuggling-crackdown-1682422.html
    CRIME gangs are gaining greater control in the prisons, according to frontline staff dealing with the thugs....

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/criminals-running-empires-from-their-jail-cells-1725723.html

    As for those that say the withdrawal of some "luxuries" would cause trouble...
    well with their "luxuries" as it stands at present, the prisoners are very thankful and show their appreciation!

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/jail-chiefs-probe-750-assaults-by-inmates-1924414.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    If prisons are like holiday camps why aren't we all trying our best to get in?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    If prisons are like holiday camps why aren't we all trying our best to get in?
    ..Because we are stupid enough to be hard working citizens who are paying taxes, levies, VAT and whatever the hell the gov' call call the next extra charge!

    Try being decent and doing the right thing in this country and the piss is taken of you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Biggins wrote: »
    As for those that say the withdrawal of some "luxuries" would cause trouble...
    well with their "luxuries" as it stands at present, the prisoners are very thankful and show their appreciation!

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/jail-chiefs-probe-750-assaults-by-inmates-1924414.html

    Yeah and thats with everything they already have. Imagine the chaos if they came down hard on them and removed the luxuries? I know I wouldnt want to be there when that happens


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Dean09 wrote: »
    ...I know I wouldn't want to be there when that happens
    Well if your doing the decent thing and obeying the laws of the land, you won't be there.
    And as for those that do further rioting/assaults upon staff, I would have the SEVEREST of penalties possible for such actions!

    I'm all for human rights but when someone denies you your own ...well they bring about their own outcome thereafter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Biggins wrote: »
    Well if your doing the decent thing and obeying the laws of the land, you won't be there.
    And as for those that do further rioting/assaults upon staff, I would have the SEVEREST of penalties possible for such actions!

    I'm all for human rights but when someone denies you your own ...well they bring about their own outcome thereafter!

    Where does rehabilitation come into all of this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    If prisons are like holiday camps why aren't we all trying our best to get in?
    Because knowing my luck, the day before I'd get in, all luxuries would be removed :(


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Where does rehabilitation come into all of this?

    to me... the idea would be to make it undesirable.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Where does rehabilitation come into all of this?
    It comes into application/use when a prisoner kops themselves on, behaves and THEN is allowed make use of such available opportunities/services.

    You misbehave, you lose your lessons.
    You misbehave, you get punished!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭AntiMatter


    to me... the idea would be to make it undesirable.

    It is undesirable, to the informants who are free to commit crime, as long as they hand the guards enough people to maintain the facade of the current system. (more in relation to drugs and petty crime)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭heybaby


    Prisons are supposed to be the most secure facilities in the country, but drugs and other contraband are readily available, how is this possible? Its possible because the people who hold the keys allow it to be soWithout a shadow of doubt, this policy comes from the top down, starting with the minister for justice, police, prison governer, and finally prison officers. Make absolutely no mistake. A drugged up prison population is a docile population.

    If the minister for justice decided to remove drugs from the prison system, immediately you would have a revolt by prison staff because they would be dealing with a livid prison population, this would put pressure on the authorities to move prisoners after the inevitable riots would leave the prison uninhabitable. This wont happen because there arent enough prison spaces elsewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭DERICKOO


    when we have people that we look up to for guidance in the media, it begs to wonder where there will be be a profound disreguard by our law inforcement officers to uphold the law both in and out of prison. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭baalthor


    Kimia wrote: »
    Regardless of the masts and directional pulses stopping the phones working - why in the name of god do they have phones to begin with?? They should not have them in prison and they should all be confiscated. Seriously what is the point of prison if its literally nothing to these people but a roof over their head?

    They hide them ... behind posters of Rita Hayworth. Prison guards never look there :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭baalthor


    Biggins wrote: »
    It comes into application/use when a prisoner kops themselves on, behaves and THEN is allowed make use of such available opportunities/services.

    You misbehave, you lose your lessons.
    You misbehave, you get punished!
    According to former Mountjoy governor Loneragan, the presence of drugs in prisons has made the traditional trustee system (like you have described) unworkable.

    Prisoners who behave, follow the rules, keep out of trouble and who don't have a previous record will be targeted by the drug gangs to do "favours" for them. Or their friends and families will be asked to "do something" and if they co-operate their relative will be "looked after" inside. If they don't they will still be looked after just in a different way ...

    In his opinion, drugs (or drug dealing) have made prison a much more violent place.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    baalthor wrote: »
    According to former Mountjoy governor Loneragan, the presence of drugs in prisons has made the traditional trustee system (like you have described) unworkable.

    Huh? :confused:
    I never mentioned anything about a trustee system. :confused:
    baalthor wrote: »
    Prisoners who behave, follow the rules, keep out of trouble and who don't have a previous record will be targeted by the drug gangs to do "favours" for them. Or their friends and families will be asked to "do something" and if they co-operate their relative will be "looked after" inside. If they don't they will still be looked after just in a different way ...

    In his opinion, drugs (or drug dealing) have made prison a much more violent place.

    ...Which is why to be honest, gives reason to why drugs SHOULD be kept out of prisons as much as possible.

    Maybe a mid-solution could be built?

    Build a prison that has some good features like TV, games rooms, etc - and shove all the prisoners in there that have NO drugs.
    Get caught with drugs and/or found to be dealing in them and/or helping to bring them in - your moved back to the lower quality/facility prisons.
    Never to be let near the better one again for a lengthy periods of time - or forever depending on the severity of your inner-prison activities!

    Food for thought? Just throwing it out there...


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Pif, the only luxury a prisoner should have is a colour by numbers pastel and black paint...

    :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭bc dub


    98fm listeners should be imprisoned.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Muppet wrote: »
    True, **** them if they can't afford their tv licence , lock them up and throw away the key.
    Nobody is in prison for that. The only way you can go to prison is refusing to pay fines that a court determines that you CAN pay. If you refuse, you can be jailed for a week or two for contempt, and spend a fraction of that actually in the prison.

    Let's not let the facts get in the way, huh? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    to me... the idea would be to make it undesirable.


    So this wouldn't be for you no?

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html
    By the time the trumpets sound, the candles have been lit and the salmon platters garnished. Harald V, King of Norway, enters the room, and 200 guests stand to greet him. Then a chorus of 30 men and women, each wearing a blue police uniform, launches into a spirited rendition of "We Are the World." This isn't cabaret night at Oslo's Royal Palace. It's a gala to inaugurate Halden Fengsel, Norway's newest prison.

    Ten years and 1.5 billion Norwegian kroner ($252 million) in the making, Halden is spread over 75 acres (30 hectares) of gently sloping forest in southeastern Norway. The facility boasts amenities like a sound studio, jogging trails and a freestanding two-bedroom house where inmates can host their families during overnight visits. Unlike many American prisons, the air isn't tinged with the smell of sweat and urine. Instead, the scent of orange sorbet emanates from the "kitchen laboratory" where inmates take cooking courses. "In the Norwegian prison system, there's a focus on human rights and respect," says Are Hoidal, the prison's governor. "We don't see any of this as unusual." (See the top 10 crime stories of 2009.)

    Halden, Norway's second largest prison, with a capacity of 252 inmates, opened on April 8. It embodies the guiding principles of the country's penal system: that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society. "When they arrive, many of them are in bad shape," Hoidal says, noting that Halden houses drug dealers, murderers and rapists, among others. "We want to build them up, give them confidence through education and work and have them leave as better people." Countries track recidivism rates differently, but even an imperfect comparison suggests the Norwegian model works. Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%. Of course, a low level of criminality gives Norway a massive advantage. Its prison roll lists a mere 3,300, or 69 per 100,000 people, compared with 2.3 million in the U.S., or 753 per 100,000 — the highest rate in the world. (See the world's most influential people in the 2010 TIME 100.)

    Design plays a key role in Halden's rehabilitation efforts. "The most important thing is that the prison looks as much like the outside world as possible," says Hans Henrik Hoilund, one of the prison's architects. To avoid an institutional feel, exteriors are not concrete but made of bricks, galvanized steel and larch; the buildings seem to have grown organically from the woodlands. And while there is one obvious symbol of incarceration — a 20-ft. (6 m) concrete security wall along the prison's perimeter — trees obscure it, and its top has been rounded off, Hoilund says, "so it isn't too hostile." (See the 25 crimes of the century.)

    The cells rival well-appointed college dorm rooms, with their flat-screen TVs and minifridges. Designers chose long vertical windows for the rooms because they let in more sunlight. There are no bars. Every 10 to 12 cells share a living room and kitchen. With their stainless-steel countertops, wraparound sofas and birch-colored coffee tables, they resemble Ikea showrooms.

    Halden's greatest asset, though, may be the strong relationship between staff and inmates. Prison guards don't carry guns — that creates unnecessary intimidation and social distance — and they routinely eat meals and play sports with the inmates. "Many of the prisoners come from bad homes, so we wanted to create a sense of family," says architect Per Hojgaard Nielsen. Half the guards are women — Hoidal believes this decreases aggression — and prisoners receive questionnaires asking how their experience in prison can be improved.

    There's plenty of enthusiasm for transforming lives. "None of us were forced to work here. We chose to," says Charlott-Renee Sandvik Clasen, a music teacher in the prison and a member of Halden's security-guard chorus. "Our goal is to give all the prisoners — we call them our pupils — a meaningful life inside these walls." It's warmth like that, not the expensive television sets, that will likely have the most lasting impact.


    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html#ixzz18lh2BMOF


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Who cares if prisoners are using drugs? What difference does it make to you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    I know a lad who went into prison a little mad, and a bit of a pothead - Came out a heroin addict, and absolute psychopath. Isn't the idea of prison to not only punish someone, but to try and rehabilitate them? If they are going in petty criminals, and coming out raging lunatics addicting to heroin, then the system is clearly not working..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    Who cares if prisoners are using drugs? What difference does it make to you?
    exactly i could'nt care less what prioners do,if they want to poision themselfs left them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Who cares if prisoners are using drugs? What difference does it make to you?

    It makes alot of difference, because when they get out - they will be stealing our cars and our houses to pay for their addictions.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    dlofnep wrote: »
    I know a lad who went into prison a little mad, and a bit of a pothead - Came out a heroin addict, and absolute psychopath.
    Sadly I've heard of such cases reported before.

    Unfortunately some get hooked on drugs inside alone and when they come out, because of their cravings and desperation to keep their habit going, the methods in which they indulge for more revenue, get more desperate and sometimes more violent?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭AntiMatter


    dlofnep wrote: »
    I know a lad who went into prison a little mad, and a bit of a pothead - Came out a heroin addict, and absolute psychopath. Isn't the idea of prison to not only punish someone, but to try and rehabilitate them? If they are going in petty criminals, and coming out raging lunatics addicting to heroin, then the system is clearly not working..

    The spread of heroin, outside the environs of Dublin, can trace it's genesis to this very problem; heroin-addicted ex-prisoners returning to the provinces, and setting up shop, utilising their new-found contacts, to feed their own habits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,045 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    There should also be regular dog searches on the buses between dublin and the other major cities


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Biggins wrote: »
    Sadly I've heard of such cases reported before.

    Unfortunately some get hooked on drugs inside alone and when they come out, because of their cravings and desperation to keep their habit going, the methods in which they indulge for more revenue, get more desperate and sometimes more violent?

    Indeed.

    I also might add - my family was directly affected, as this very same scumbag who was once a good friend of mine, stole 2,000 on my little brother on his very first holiday away with his friends to Majorca, and left him without even the price of a phone call to call home and tell us what happened.

    Before heroin, he'd never even entertain the thought. Drugs + Prisons = the ingredients for breeding social-slime.


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