Is a Garda Pension taxed as income?

pjmn · 19-12-2010 02:30PM #1

Just wondering - was in company last night and two guys in the group claimed that a Garda pension is not taxed as income (indeed they claimed that all public sector pensions are non taxable), I thought it was?

Can anyone cast light on the correct answer?

Thank you...

ardmacha · 19-12-2010 02:43PM

Don't listen to everything you hear in a pub.

cyclopath2001 · 19-12-2010 02:45PM

pjmn wrote: »

Just wondering - was in company last night and two guys in the group claimed that a Garda pension is not taxed as income (indeed they claimed that all public sector pensions are non taxable), I thought it was?

The two guys are completely, 100% wrong.

LookBehindYou · 19-12-2010 03:31PM

pjmn wrote: »

Just wondering - was in company last night and two guys in the group claimed that a Garda pension is not taxed as income (indeed they claimed that all public sector pensions are non taxable), I thought it was?

Can anyone cast light on the correct answer?

Thank you...

They are fully taxable. Fact.

not yet · 19-12-2010 09:30PM

pjmn wrote: »

Just wondering - was in company last night and two guys in the group claimed that a Garda pension is not taxed as income (indeed they claimed that all public sector pensions are non taxable), I thought it was?

Can anyone cast light on the correct answer?

Thank you...

Right....
Lets finally put this to bed, All PS staff pay towards their pension, when they are paid this pension the state pension is means tested, in effect getting 20-30% of it, which saves the state 140e approx a week.

bonzos · 20-12-2010 10:26AM

As unemployed tradesman I have recently lost out to retiring gardai when applying for a number of often low paid maintenance and driving jobs. Often the guy who got the job had no revelant experience or qualifications. I question one employer on why retiring gardai (with pensions)were being given the positions and I was told that they needed to top up their pensions as many of them were retiring in their mid 50's. One bus company owner informed me that he was told by a soon to retiring garda that he wanted to be top of the list if any driving jobs came available. I feel that this is a total disgrace at a time that there is over 400,000 people on the dole and god knows how many more who are not entitled to welfare due to being self employed. Total greed and abuse of their power!!!!!!!!!!We (the tax payer) are getting totally shafted by all the people who are being paid to protect us.

Uriel. · 20-12-2010 10:32AM

bonzos wrote: »

As unemployed tradesman I have recently lost out to retiring gardai when applying for a number of often low paid maintenance and driving jobs. Often the guy who got the job had no revelant experience or qualifications. I question one employer on why retiring gardai (with pensions)were being given the positions and I was told that they needed to top up their pensions as many of them were retiring in their mid 50's. One bus company owner informed me that he was told by a soon to retiring garda that he wanted to be top of the list if any driving jobs came available. I feel that this is a total disgrace at a time that there is over 400,000 people on the dole and god knows how many more who are not entitled to welfare due to being self employed. Total greed and abuse of their power!!!!!!!!!!We that tax payer are getting totally shafted by all the people who are being paid to protect us.

Are you suggesting that the retired Gardai in question are using their former careers (and current contacts) to force/threaten potential employers to give them preferential treatment when recruiting new employees?

I don't see the problem with retired Gardai taking up new employment just because there are people elsewhere unemployed. They will pay the relevant tax on all income (pension and additional income earned through employment)

bonzos · 20-12-2010 10:57AM

I must be just a coincidence that these guys are able to find employment at a time when 400k+ people are unable:rolleyes:

Turner · 20-12-2010 06:35PM

Oh my oh my another anti garda thread :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

How about Paramedics and firemen who retire and get another job?? The scroungers!!!

"We the tax payer" Because we all know Gardai pay no tax, they threaten the tax man into not taking any money off them.

Maybe ex-Gardai get driving jobs ahead of other candidates because they have successfully completed Standard Advanced and Escort driving courses while they were out protecting the "tax payer" for the past 30 years.

later12 · 20-12-2010 08:22PM

OP Maybe he means that there is no DIRT tax charged on deposits of Revenue approved Pension Schemes. Then again you could simply be over 65 and meet certain revenue conditions to pay no DIRT anyway.

donegal11 · 20-12-2010 08:59PM

not yet wrote: »

Right....
Lets finally put this to bed, All PS staff pay towards their pension, when they are paid this pension the state pension is means tested, in effect getting 20-30% of it, which saves the state 140e approx a week.

what! how did all public sector staff pay towards their pension? I hope you don't mean the pension levy which the vast majority of public sector pensioners never paid into as it was only introduced a few years ago. The 140euro saving! how? both pensions are coming out of the states budget no matter what, it would be just an accounting issue if at all.

As far as garda getting jobs after they retire I see no problem with it in that the have to pay tax on the additional income(no cash in hand) and if they where the best for the job why not.But in saying that I would jealous of a garda retiring at 50 getting a full pension plus a considerable lump sum retirement payment tax free and then getting a full time job, but hey blame the system not the player.

not yet · 20-12-2010 09:32PM

bonzos wrote: »

As unemployed tradesman I have recently lost out to retiring gardai when applying for a number of often low paid maintenance and driving jobs. Often the guy who got the job had no revelant experience or qualifications. I question one employer on why retiring gardai (with pensions)were being given the positions and I was told that they needed to top up their pensions as many of them were retiring in their mid 50's. One bus company owner informed me that he was told by a soon to retiring garda that he wanted to be top of the list if any driving jobs came available. I feel that this is a total disgrace at a time that there is over 400,000 people on the dole and god knows how many more who are not entitled to welfare due to being self employed. Total greed and abuse of their power!!!!!!!!!!We (the tax payer) are getting totally shafted by all the people who are being paid to protect us.

I'm sure low paid jobs were the last thing on your mind 5 years ago when you were earning 1k a week

not yet · 20-12-2010 09:39PM

donegal11 wrote: »

what! how did all public sector staff pay towards their pension? I hope you don't mean the pension levy which the vast majority of public sector pensioners never paid into as it was only introduced a few years ago. The 140euro saving! how? both pensions are coming out of the states budget no matter what, it would be just an accounting issue if at all.

As far as garda getting jobs after they retire I see no problem with it in that the have to pay tax on the additional income(no cash in hand) and if they where the best for the job why not.But in saying that I would jealous of a garda retiring at 50 getting a full pension plus a considerable lump sum retirement payment tax free and then getting a full time job, but hey blame the system not the player.

So if I stay in bed for 65years then go and collect a pension of 236e thats the same as paying into a pension, and yeah I paid into a pension before the levy...get your facts straight...paid it for 26 years and it's called superanuation.

Gumbo · 20-12-2010 09:55PM

donegal11 wrote: »

what! how did all public sector staff pay towards their pension? I hope you don't mean the pension levy which the vast majority of public sector pensioners never paid into as it was only introduced a few years ago. The 140euro saving! how? both pensions are coming out of the states budget no matter what, it would be just an accounting issue if at all.

As far as garda getting jobs after they retire I see no problem with it in that the have to pay tax on the additional income(no cash in hand) and if they where the best for the job why not.But in saying that I would jealous of a garda retiring at 50 getting a full pension plus a considerable lump sum retirement payment tax free and then getting a full time job, but hey blame the system not the player.

you need to brush up on your facts......
PS staff paid into their pensions long before the pension levy was introduced.....:rolleyes:

not yet · 20-12-2010 10:22PM

kceire wrote: »

you need to brush up on your facts......
PS staff paid into their pensions long before the pension levy was introduced.....:rolleyes:

It's this type of stupid nonsense that has the witch hunt against ordinary PS workers.....

Delancey · 20-12-2010 10:53PM

Someone posted not so long ago asking if Gardai paid income tax :rolleyes:

irishh_bob · 20-12-2010 11:06PM

bonzos wrote: »

As unemployed tradesman I have recently lost out to retiring gardai when applying for a number of often low paid maintenance and driving jobs. Often the guy who got the job had no revelant experience or qualifications. I question one employer on why retiring gardai (with pensions)were being given the positions and I was told that they needed to top up their pensions as many of them were retiring in their mid 50's. One bus company owner informed me that he was told by a soon to retiring garda that he wanted to be top of the list if any driving jobs came available. I feel that this is a total disgrace at a time that there is over 400,000 people on the dole and god knows how many more who are not entitled to welfare due to being self employed. Total greed and abuse of their power!!!!!!!!!!We (the tax payer) are getting totally shafted by all the people who are being paid to protect us.

guards have a network like no other profession in this country , every single guard who retires in this country can get a job if they so wish , upon retiring about five years ago , the local seargant in my area was working for the local builder - developer within a month , labouring etc , lost five stone within a couple of months on the job , as many of the locals were heard to comment , jim only begain working at 53

they also get big knockdowns when it comes to buying cars etc

p.s , two of my uncles are guards , one retired , the other still serving

irishh_bob · 20-12-2010 11:08PM

not yet wrote: »

I'm sure low paid jobs were the last thing on your mind 5 years ago when you were earning 1k a week

1 k per week , 200 quid less per week than the average copper was on up untill 2009

Paulzx · 21-12-2010 12:10AM

irishh_bob wrote: »

they also get big knockdowns when it comes to buying cars etc

I look forward to seeing your link to back that one up.............nah, didn't think so:rolleyes:

bonzos · 21-12-2010 12:18PM

not yet wrote: »

I'm sure low paid jobs were the last thing on your mind 5 years ago when you were earning 1k a week

I never earned €1k a week in my life,how many gardai can say that??

later12 · 21-12-2010 12:21PM

I never put my life or my health in risk at work, how many Guards can say that?

irishh_bob · 21-12-2010 01:16PM

Paulzx wrote: »

I look forward to seeing your link to back that one up.............nah, didn't think so:rolleyes:

try living in the real world some time

do you honestly think those in the car trade divulge such info

dogs in the street know that guards have always gotten favours of business people , beit publicans to hire centres who hire out cement mixers or various power tools

irishh_bob · 21-12-2010 01:17PM

later10 wrote: »

I never put my life or my health in risk at work, how many Guards can say that?

the majority of them

waits for calls for a link :rolleyes:

Paulzx · 21-12-2010 01:50PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

try living in the real world some time

do you honestly think those in the car trade divulge such info

dogs in the street know that guards have always gotten favours of business people , beit publicans to hire centres who hire out cement mixers or various power tools

I live very much in the real world.

Where i don't live is in the bitter world of public service hatred that you inhabit especially focused at nurses, teachers, guards but not excluding anyone else that draws a public wage

Guards getting deals on cement mixers..FFS..Would you ever get a life!!!

Go back to your "dogs on the street" and get some more gems for me

later12 · 21-12-2010 02:10PM

Deals on cement mixers?!

Someone call back the IMF tell them 'no-can-do', Sergeant Murphy got 30% off a power drill in Woodies! We're f*cked!

irishh_bob · 21-12-2010 03:08PM

Paulzx wrote: »

I live very much in the real world.

Where i don't live is in the bitter world of public service hatred that you inhabit especially focused at nurses, teachers, guards but not excluding anyone else that draws a public wage

Guards getting deals on cement mixers..FFS..Would you ever get a life!!!

Go back to your "dogs on the street" and get some more gems for me

we all do a bit of DIY work on our own time , my uncle ( sergeant in dublin ) built on an extension to his house a few years ago , done all the work himself , didnt have to pay the local hire centre a penny for the hire of the cement mixer , kango hammer etc , he didnt ask , they just said dont worry about it when it came to clearing the bill

guards get special treatment when it comes to shopping for various items , not everywhere but it does happen , im not saying this means our police force are more corrupt than any other force throughout europe but its silly to deny that a badge doesnt afford you some leverage

Paulzx · 21-12-2010 03:23PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

we all do a bit of DIY work on our own time , my uncle ( sergeant in dublin ) built on an extension to his house a few years ago , done all the work himself , didnt have to pay the local hire centre a penny for the hire of the cement mixer , kango hammer etc , he didnt ask , they just said dont worry about it when it came to clearing the bill

guards get special treatment when it comes to shopping for various items , not everywhere but it does happen , im not saying this means our police force are more corrupt than any other force throughout europe but its silly to deny that a badge doesnt afford you some leverage

You seem to have a relative to suit every situation.

The uncle(guard in Dublin)
The cousin (nurse in wales)
The sister in Brighton
........and whatever else pops up during the course of the next "debate"

I think i'll confer on you the title of Boards.ie anecdote king

Congratulations..........now i'm off to do some diy with a free digger

Gumbo · 21-12-2010 07:14PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

try living in the real world some time

do you honestly think those in the car trade divulge such info

dogs in the street know that guards have always gotten favours of business people , beit publicans to hire centres who hire out cement mixers or various power tools

I look forward to seeing your link to back that one up.............nah, didn't think so :rolleyes:

alejandro1977 · 21-12-2010 08:21PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

labouring etc , lost five stone within a couple of months on the job , as many of the locals were heard to comment , jim only begain working at 53

they also get big knockdowns when it comes to buying cars etc

p.s , two of my uncles are guards , one retired , the other still serving

A recently retired Guard was heard to remark in a pub that he never realised the price of a pint until he retired

mikemac · 21-12-2010 08:26PM

bonzos wrote: »

As unemployed tradesman I have recently lost out to retiring gardai when applying for a number of often low paid maintenance and driving jobs. Often the guy who got the job had no revelant experience or qualifications.

The garda has probably completed advanced driving courses. Useful skills to have which the employer recognized.
They might have no experience driving machinery but they'll learn quickly

irishh_bob · 21-12-2010 08:58PM

kceire wrote: »

I look forward to seeing your link to back that one up.............nah, didn't think so :rolleyes:

see post 23

Is a Garda Pension taxed as income?

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