Drugs in Prison

Kimia · 21-12-2010 10:52AM #1

Did anyone hear 98fm last night? They were talking about the prison officer who was arrested yesterday for smuggling drugs into Mountjoy and about the fact that drugs are so prevalent in prison these days, along with the rest (tvs, xboxes, etc).

They kept asking if you would have sympathy for prisoners, and should they be allowed have their (apparently free?) drugs so that they can 'escape' the horrors of prison. What a load of shíte I say. Firstly, it doesn't sound that bad, from the sounds of things. And secondly, why should they be entitled to oblivion? Last I checked if you broke the law prison was the punishment.

What does everyone else think?

Kiera · 21-12-2010 10:57AM

They pay a lot more in prison for drugs than on the street. Plus that officer that was caught will probably get "spoken" to by the people who arranged it, his own fault tbh.

Biggins · 21-12-2010 10:57AM

I think drugs search dogs should permanently be used at ALL entry check points of the prisons to begin with!
...And where the hell is this phone blocking technology being used? They are still using their hidden phones inside to make their deals, organise intimidation and other crimes!

senordingdong · 21-12-2010 10:59AM

Biggins wrote: »

I think drugs search dogs should permanently be used at ALL entry check points of the prisons to begin with!

All entry points to the ****ing country.

Kimia · 21-12-2010 10:59AM

The reports about the prisons are also so contradictory. On the one hand, in that recent Prime Time program on Limerick scumbags, you saw these young guys saying that they don't mind prison at all, it's grand, not a bother, and another story a while back about mobile phones and tv's in their cells, and then you hear stories about Mountjoy that are just horrific. Which is correct?

senordingdong · 21-12-2010 11:00AM

Which horrific stories about Montjoy?

Dravokivich · 21-12-2010 11:04AM

Biggins wrote: »

I think drugs search dogs should permanently be used at ALL entry check points of the prisons to begin with!
...And where the hell is this phone blocking technology being used? They are still using their hidden phones inside to make their deals, organise intimidation and other crimes!

In fairness there should be regular shake downs and very little personal affects in cells.

Biggins · 21-12-2010 11:08AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

In fairness there should be regular shake downs and very little personal affects in cells.

No argument there. They are called prisons and should be prisons - not unofficial semi-holiday camps!

El Guapo! · 21-12-2010 11:11AM

I happen to know for a fact that Prison officers turn a blind eye to the drugs in Mountjoy. Its easier that way. If the prisoners are kept relatively happy then they will be less likely to lash out at the officers and if they did crack down and remove all the drugs from the prison there would be an out and out riot inside.

AntiMatter · 21-12-2010 11:13AM

Dean09 wrote: »

I happen to know for a fact that Prison officers turn a blind eye to the drugs in Mountjoy. Its easier that way. If the prisoners are kept relatively happy then they will be less likely to lash out at the officers and if they did crack down and remove all the drugs from the prison there would be an out and out riot inside.

It kinda highlights the failure of the Drug War in general, when they can't, or won't, even prevent illegal drug use in prisons, supposedly the most secure places in the country.

Dravokivich · 21-12-2010 11:13AM

Dean09 wrote: »

I happen to know for a fact that Prison officers turn a blind eye to the drugs in Mountjoy. Its easier that way. If the prisoners are kept relatively happy then they will be less likely to lash out at the officers and if they did crack down and remove all the drugs from the prison there would be an out and out riot inside.

Can't just leave them locked in the cells no?

Kiera · 21-12-2010 11:15AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Can't just leave them locked in the cells no?

Was just thinking the same thing. Fúck them if they cant get drugs and fúck them if they try to start riots about it. Lock them up in their cells and dont let them out!

RoryMurphyJnr · 21-12-2010 11:17AM

+1

Bottle_of_Smoke · 21-12-2010 11:18AM

I happen to know for a fact that Prison officers turn a blind eye to the drugs in Mountjoy. Its easier that way. If the prisoners are kept relatively happy then they will be less likely to lash out at the officers and if they did crack down and remove all the drugs from the prison there would be an out and out riot inside.

Some officers do no doubt but the management certainly don't. The recent riots were over a new fence put in to stop drugs being smuggled in. Prison officer got slashed in the face too.

CorkMan · 21-12-2010 11:18AM

senordingdong wrote: »

Which horrific stories about Montjoy?

From the book "The Joy", stories of fellas being hung upside down and used for punch bags, fellas who'd cut you from eat to ear for a cent.

It is called prison for a reason!

Biggins · 21-12-2010 11:19AM

Kiera wrote: »

Was just thinking the same thing. Fúck them if they cant get drugs and fúck them if they try to start riots about it. Lock them up in their cells and dont let them out!

You did a crime - prison.
If you misbehave there - 24 hour Lock-up till you learn your lesson!
Stuff ya! Your there by your own actions!

You reap what ya sow!

Prisons are not feared any more by criminals, they are just seen as an inconvenience, a possible training ground and source of possible future organised crime contacts for when back out!

Swampy · 21-12-2010 11:19AM

An xbox without xbox live is just cruel.

curlzy · 21-12-2010 11:21AM

Holiday camps? Even though Mountjoy was recently brought up for cruel and unusual punishment and inhumane conditions? With it's unsanitary conditions and over crowding? Yeah they're prisoners but they're still human

I hate this sort of rabble rabble that AH generates.

Linky:http://www.inspectorofprisons.gov.ie/en/IOP/Mountjoy%20Report%202009.pdf/Files/Mountjoy%20Report%202009.pdf

Jagle · 21-12-2010 11:22AM

AntiMatter wrote: »

It kinda highlights the failure of the Drug War in general, when they can't, or won't, even prevent illegal drug use in prisons, supposedly the most secure places in the country.

i agree, if you cant keep drugs out of a building designed and protected by law enforcement officers what hope have you anywhere else

Biggins · 21-12-2010 11:24AM

curlzy wrote: »

Holiday camps? Even though Mountjoy was recently brought up for cruel and unusual punishment and inhumane conditions? With it's unsanitary conditions and over crowding? Yeah their prisoners but they're still human

Linky:http://www.inspectorofprisons.gov.ie/en/IOP/Mountjoy%20Report%202009.pdf/Files/Mountjoy%20Report%202009.pdf

Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever.
Their own actions put themselves there!

Kimia · 21-12-2010 11:29AM

curlzy wrote: »

Holiday camps? Even though Mountjoy was recently brought up for cruel and unusual punishment and inhumane conditions? With it's unsanitary conditions and over crowding? Yeah they're prisoners but they're still human I hate this sort of rabble rabble that AH generates.

Linky:http://www.inspectorofprisons.gov.ie/en/IOP/Mountjoy%20Report%202009.pdf/Files/Mountjoy%20Report%202009.pdf

You know, they did know what prison was like before they broke the law. It's not a secret. It's their own fault. If they don't want to be in prison, don't break the law.

curlzy · 21-12-2010 11:29AM

Biggins wrote: »

Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever.
Their own actions put themselves there!

Hmmm wouldn't expect that of you Biggins to be honest. Would have thought you'd be an advocate of respect for all people, not prisoners though?

The Muppet · 21-12-2010 11:29AM

Biggins wrote: »

Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever.
Their own actions put themselves there!

True, **** them if they can't afford their tv licence , lock them up and throw away the key.

Biggins · 21-12-2010 11:32AM

curlzy wrote: »

Hmmm wouldn't expect that of you Biggins to be honest. Would have thought you'd be an advocate of respect for all people, not prisoners though?

I give respect to those that equally are respectful back.
Career criminals however are asking for nothing but a constant licence to do as they will in their disgusting actions, be pandered too and have the state (YOU!) fork out to have them live off the rest of us.

Some of us are quick enough to give out about those lazing about on the dole (fair enough - a whole subject in itself) but habitual criminals are doing exactly the same - only when they get out, they get the dole (or equivalent) and still carry on as before!
...And I am supposed to have sympathy for them? Fcuk no!

El Guapo! · 21-12-2010 11:36AM

Fair enough they're locked up so there shouldn't be any luxuries but they should be allowed a basic standard of hygiene- which they are not.
With regards to having people on 24hr lockdown, it doesnt always work. People still find ways around everything. The old saying goes- everybody has their price. There'll always be help available through some of the prison officers.
Also you'd have the Human Rights, tree hugging, we love everybody, groups sticking their noses in if everyone was in a cell all day everyday.

the_syco · 21-12-2010 11:37AM

Biggins wrote: »

...And where the hell is this phone blocking technology being used? They are still using their hidden phones inside to make their deals, organise intimidation and other crimes!

I think some legailty issue is stopping them?

Biggins · 21-12-2010 11:39AM

the_syco wrote: »

I think some legailty issue is stopping them?

That was claimed was the problem originally but since then I read somewhere (thing it was the Indo') that legislation was brought in to overcome that hurdle.
Nothing has happened since then however.

Friday September 12 2008

The Prison Service has confirmed that a blocking system on prisoners' phones will be operational in the Midlands Prison next month and in Portlaoise in four months time.

Tighter screening of prison visitors will also be introduced to prevent drugs being brought in for inmates.
However Fine Gael has criticised the delay in implementing the tighter security measures.
Fine Gael's Justice Spokesperson Charlie Flanagan has said 2 thousand mobile phones were confiscated last year and 40,000 prisoners tested positive for drugs over the past three years.
He further claimed that successive Justice Ministers have allowed a prison regime to exist where security was well down the agenda.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/clampdown-on-prisoners-phones-1474645.html

Monty Burnz · 21-12-2010 11:40AM

Kiera wrote: »

They pay a lot more in prison for drugs than on the street. Plus that officer that was caught will probably get "spoken" to by the people who arranged it, his own fault tbh.

The whole thing is totally retarded. They pay a fortune for drugs in prison - when they get out, do they return to highly paid jobs to pay off these drug debts? No! They have to go on a crime spree to pay them!

So by allowing drugs into prisons, we are storing up a multitude of future crimes against ordinary citizens. They should take every step, up to and including visiting through glass windows, to stop the drugs getting in. If the criminals have a chance to clean up in jail, there's at least a chance they'll stay off when they come out and not have to commit further crimes to pay of their prison drug debts.

AntiMatter · 21-12-2010 11:47AM

Biggins wrote: »

That was claimed was the problem originally but since then I read somewhere (thing it was the Indo') that legislation was brought in to overcome that hurdle.
Nothing has happened since then however.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/clampdown-on-prisoners-phones-1474645.html

I couldn't imagine the logistics of blocking mobile signals to an entire prison, without interfering with homes nearby, are all that simple.

Biggins · 21-12-2010 11:49AM

AntiMatter wrote: »

I couldn't imagine the logistics of blocking mobile signals to an entire prison, without interfering with homes nearby, are all that simple.

It works on a directional system and within a set measured distance.

AntiMatter · 21-12-2010 11:50AM

Biggins wrote: »

It works on a directional system and within a set measured distance.

And through thick prison walls? It's not just as simple as it sounds.

I presume there are masts near Mountjoy to contend with also.

Drugs in Prison

Comments