Off licenses closing at 10pm and nanny state

Jazzy · 16-12-2010 08:44PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

off licenses closing at 10 is a joke. another retarded depthless decision by a government that gave less & less of a f*ck as time went on

BASHIR · 16-12-2010 08:51PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

faceman wrote: »

Not all alcohol problems though are the stereotype "Sitting in the pub all day" hardened drinkers. Binge drinking is a larger problem. Countries that have tighter alcohol availability have less alcohol related problems.

Im not arguing both for it and against. There is a question mark over whether or not the introduction of the law was for the right reasons. However even if it wasnt, it still has a positive effect.

Thats crap. Would you say that if it was your girlfriend, your father, your mother, your sister, your brother, your child?

I disagree with you on the whole binge drinking issue to be honest, myself like the vast majority of people enjoy a few beers on the weekend, and often get drunk. the definition of binge drinking is 'Binge drinking is the modern definition of drinking alcoholic beverages with the primary intention of becoming intoxicated by heavy consumption of alcohol over a short period of time.'

I go to college all week and do work, and lead a very normal life.
In comparison, a very close reletive who died of alcoholism drank everyday and always managed to be drunk every day. This is alcohol abuse and will not be affected by the 10pm rule.
So in my opinion i feel it is definitely a silly rule brought in just to be seen to be tackling this binge drinking 'problem' that is affecting all our lives.

ps sorry to pick on your post jus i disagree with you a little

faceman · 16-12-2010 09:25PM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

Jagle wrote: »

untrue america has very big issues with teens drinking and people who become 21, there are unused to such a drug that when becoems legal for them to buy go all out and abuse it, abuse of the substance is the issue

The US has less alcohol problems than Europe. That's not hearsay. There are numerous alcohol studies which confirm it

Jagle · 16-12-2010 10:01PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

faceman wrote: »

The US has less alcohol problems than Europe. That's not hearsay. There are numerous alcohol studies which confirm it

studies arnt great, try talking to people over there, americans who after becoming 21 and legal to drink or teens from the ages of 18-21 are terrible binge drinkers just as bad if not worse then us

Carl Sagan · 16-12-2010 10:10PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Don't really agree with them closing at 10 at all. I've learned to prepare for it now though - I just go up the north every once and a while and stock up.

beans · 16-12-2010 10:51PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

I bought a bottle of Cobra in the local (London) newsagent at 2am the other night, knowing full well that I had a two beers at home in the fridge - just for the novelty value.

We all know drink is addictive, and potentially very harmful. The 10pm curfew might stop someone going and buying a second bottle of wine in the local shop at 10:15... But no-one's more protected, society doesn't benefit. If drinkers want it, they'll get it.

Has it been proven that the vintner's lobby was behind this?

whatsamsn · 16-12-2010 10:55PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

faceman wrote: »

.....Thats crap. Would you say that if it was your girlfriend, your father, your mother, your sister, your brother, your child?....

:eek: thats your counter argument?

So your view is that this law is fine. that its ok to tell people when and not when to buy alcohol? because someone knows whats best for you, me and everyone else? :rolleyes:

themandan6611 · 16-12-2010 11:02PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

i'm a grown man (some might differ) but for fu*ks sake I can't buy a beer in an offy after 10pm :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

countrys a mess, the government a joke it would drive you to drink expect its now 10.02pm

El Horseboxo · 16-12-2010 11:19PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

They'd wanna sort this law out. I'm emigrating otherwise.

poisonated · 17-12-2010 03:49AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

311 people disagree with this law. 27 people agree with it. 9 people are on the fence. I'm wondering if this is a reflection of the people who frequent boards or if Ireland was to have a vote in a few days, would the outcome be similar?

Cook my sock · 17-12-2010 04:29AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

poisonated wrote: »

311 people disagree with this law. 27 people agree with it. 9 people are on the fence. I'm wondering if this is a reflection of the people who frequent boards or if Ireland was to have a vote in a few days, would the outcome be similar?

probably not the latter :pac:

gurramok · 17-12-2010 09:03AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

Pro tip: stock up on a drink that you don't enjoy, that way you won't be tempted to guzzle it all, but if you have the urgent need to get pissed - you still have options.

Does not work as when I want a drink I enjoy, the offy does be closed after 10pm hence the stocking up beforehand! I'm hardly going to waste my hard earned dough on a crappy drink?:eek:

finty wrote:

Funniest post I've seen on boards in a long while.

It was a joke right?

Nope! I ain't no alco either

, haven't had a drink since Tuesday and before that was Saturday.

I just want the choice to go out and buy a drink after 10pm. I don't have that so I have to stock up and hence the odd extra night a week(stress this here) I do have a few of those cans in the fridge. Never did that before when not stocked up beforehand hence my alcohol consumption is up thanks to the ban.

keithclancy · 17-12-2010 09:09AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

I went home to Ireland to visit a mate and couldn't believe the offie closed at 10 :mad: what a load of sh!te.

I usually stock up on a crate of beer but don't decimate the whole thing in one night

If were stuck, we call De Bier Taxi

http://www.de-biertaxi.nl/

roboshatner · 17-12-2010 09:12AM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

I clicked the wrong box damn,.

I disagree if they want to bleed us of all the money we have and least let the irish do something we are good at and let us drink when we want.

Minstrel27 · 17-12-2010 09:16AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

BASHIR wrote: »

So in my opinion i feel it is definitely a silly rule brought in just to be seen to be tackling this binge drinking 'problem' that is affecting all our lives.

It was brought in for the publicans benefit. The health of the nation has nothing to do with it. If it did the pubs would be shut at 10pm also.

faceman · 17-12-2010 10:58AM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

BASHIR wrote: »

I disagree with you on the whole binge drinking issue to be honest, myself like the vast majority of people enjoy a few beers on the weekend, and often get drunk. the definition of binge drinking is 'Binge drinking is the modern definition of drinking alcoholic beverages with the primary intention of becoming intoxicated by heavy consumption of alcohol over a short period of time.'

I go to college all week and do work, and lead a very normal life.
In comparison, a very close reletive who died of alcoholism drank everyday and always managed to be drunk every day. This is alcohol abuse and will not be affected by the 10pm rule.
So in my opinion i feel it is definitely a silly rule brought in just to be seen to be tackling this binge drinking 'problem' that is affecting all our lives.

ps sorry to pick on your post jus i disagree with you a little

Im not following what your point is though? Are you saying that only people who drink everyday and get plastered are the only people who have alcohol problems and thus are the only people who burden the health sector and emergency services???

prinz · 17-12-2010 11:05AM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

Rebekah Angry Mushroom wrote: »

If you want to abuse alcohol, it can still be easily done..

And if you want to be able to have your few drinks at home it can also still easily be done. I almost always have a few cans of something in the fridge in case I want a drink while watching a film or a football match or something, but if it's past 10 and I have none it's not going to bother me all that much, the same as running out of milk and the shops being closed. I find it odd that somebody would be that upset about not having access to an off-license tbh, and after it happens once you'd think they'd just sort themselves out and plan ahead, again not difficult. This issue is really showing up the sort of screwed up relationship Irish people have with drink tbh, it's sad that someone drinks more if they have booze in the fridge. If that was me, I'd be getting concerned tbh.

faceman wrote: »

Are you saying that only people who drink everyday and get plastered are the only people who have alcohol problems and thus are the only people who burden the health sector and emergency services???

Unfortunately that is the prevailing attitude that I for one have come across in Ireland. It's a burrying your head in the sand technique. Alcoholics are only the homeless guys you see on benches drinking the last drops out of a can of cider..... being unable to fathom a social night out without alcohol - that's just being Irish and having 'the craic', being unable to see beer in your fridge without drinking it.....

pickarooney · 17-12-2010 11:20AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

keithclancy wrote: »

I went home to Ireland to visit a mate and couldn't believe the offie closed at 10 :mad: what a load of sh!te.

I usually stock up on a crate of beer but don't decimate the whole thing in one night

If were stuck, we call De Bier Taxi
http://www.de-biertaxi.nl/

Hehe, sometimes, just sometimes, I miss Eindhoven.

17-12-2010 11:23AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

faceman wrote: »

The US has less alcohol problems than Europe. That's not hearsay. There are numerous alcohol studies which confirm it

Also hearsay without any links. Source?

jester77 · 17-12-2010 11:41AM

Are there no delivery services after 10pm?

One of the delivery services here deliver until 4am which is handy if you end up throwing a spontaneous party and have little drink in the house. 10pm is a bit of a joke, can get drink here any time and bars are open all night... and guess what, society still functions! Hardly ever see a fight on the street here. Closing bars at a certain time just leads to everyone on the street at the same time and this leads to a lot of needless drunken fights.

COYW · 17-12-2010 11:49AM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

prinz wrote: »

Unfortunately that is the prevailing attitude that I for one have come across in Ireland. It's a burrying your head in the sane technique. Alcoholics are only the homeless guys you see on benches drinking the last drops out of a can of cider..... being unable to fathom a social night out without alcohol - that's just being Irish and having 'the craic', being unable to see beer in your fridge without drinking it.....

Dead right. I totally agree with any measures that are taken to put a stop to the many, many problems caused by alcohol in this country.

I lived in Switzerland for 3 months when I was 21 years of age and it completely shaped my attitude to alcohol. I drink socially, in moderation and responsibly. A few weekends ago, we were out in Dublin city centre and I saw something that encapsulated irish people and drink. At about 01.00am, we were walking down Capel Street and there were 5 people, mid 20s, in front of us and they were plastered. 2 of the "ladies" were stumbling on and off the road. 3 crossdressers came out of a bar and the group of 5 and some others nearby jeered the crossdressers, as they walked down the street. What struck me as amazing was the fact that the crossdressers were looked upon as something socially unacceptable, yet 5 adults hammered is perfectly acceptable.

My better half is a junior doctor and 75% or so of the cases she sees on weekend nights are alcohol related. She is not irish and is stunned by the attitude of the parents in relation to drunk teenagers. Most go off on a anti-government rant and all bar most blame everyone else except their son/daughter and themselves.

On a side note, I thought this country was in recession and the savage budget last week has people living in proverty! I live in the city centre and certainly have noticed any drop in the level drunk people over the past 2 years or so.

faceman · 17-12-2010 12:03PM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

28064212 wrote: »

Also hearsay without any links. Source?

Plenty, here's one.

http://www.higheredcenter.org/services/assistance/faq/are-there-fewer-alcohol-related-problems-countries-where-youth-are-allowed-d

You'll get data on the WHO and EU websites too

RepublicanEagle · 17-12-2010 01:23PM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

No problem with it, it stops all the idiots getting more pissed as the night goes on, and stop complaining about not having the time to go before ten because of work or some other bull**** excuse, my work shifts end at 10 and I easily found time during the day to buy some alcohol.

I noticed when studying in France that they close at 9.30pm-10.00pm. I didn't hear people bitching and moaning about the opening hours when I was there. So yeah it all has to with this country's obsession with alcohol and ****ing moaning and whinging.

Ireland needs to grow the **** up.

HavingCrack · 17-12-2010 01:45PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

I'd say 11:30 pm is the time it should be, no later I'd imagine. 10 o clock is a bit too early, if the government was really concerned abou public safety pubs and nightclubs would have to close at the same time.

faceman wrote: »

Plenty, here's one.

http://www.higheredcenter.org/services/assistance/faq/are-there-fewer-alcohol-related-problems-countries-where-youth-are-allowed-d

You'll get data on the WHO and EU websites too

That's possibly the worst link you could have given. It's the US Department of Education, wow clearly they're going to say the 21 Age limit for drinking is 100% correct, the Europeans should copy us because we know best so there". Seriously you're linking us to a page of a government that tries you as an adult at 18 and can execute you but refuses to serve you alcohol. That page is laughable, I'm sorry.

BASHIR · 17-12-2010 03:27PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

faceman wrote: »

Im not following what your point is though? Are you saying that only people who drink everyday and get plastered are the only people who have alcohol problems and thus are the only people who burden the health sector and emergency services???

No of course not thats not what I was getting at at all, it was the fact and the topic under discussion. That the 10 o clock law does very little to fight these problems that you mention. these problems existed before the rule and still remain to now.
I feel it was a very weak attempt by our government to battle 'binge drinking'. Binge drinking has been around since alcohol was available, and it is a modern word put on problems that have always been associated with drink.
There is a very large percentage of this and other populations that binge drink yet it is a very small percentage of these people that cause the problems. The penalties of being drunk and disorderly, or drink driving should be so much stricter these rules could force people to be more sensible when enjoying alcohol and hopefully alleviate the burden on our emergency services.

marglin · 17-12-2010 03:37PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

10 o clock is just stupid, its purely for the publicans benefit,

having said that i lived in london fo rthe summer and having 24 hour offies leads to many early morning/morning/noon/afternoon extended sessions from the night before.

not healthy i know, but i did it in my home, relatively safely and after all im an adult, free to make my own choices, be they bad or good, once they dont infringe on others freedoms, which drinking generally doesnt.

11 would be a bit more reasonable, especially fo rthose people who have hectic long days and simply cant get to the offies before ten

il admit our attitude(my own even) to alcohol is not the best but lookit im young, il learn, hopefully:rolleyes:......(reaches for can).....(its empty):mad:

babyfratelli_x · 17-12-2010 03:41PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

I think its a ridiculous rule, half eleven would be fine.

However I was recently in Sweden, and off licences there close at 7 during the week, and 3 o clock on a saturday... :eek:

The queue was coming out the door at around a quarter to 3.... And I think its closed on a sunday.

So it could be worse here!

17-12-2010 03:51PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Anyone saying that off-licenses should be allowed open later (11, half 11), doesn't understand the debate. Any argument that's valid against or for 10 as a closing time is equally valid against or for any other time.

Is there any other product that the state restricts selling times? Are businesses only allowed sell cars 9-5?

maggy_thatcher · 17-12-2010 03:52PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Maybe a better option would be to have a breathalyser test at the off-licence -- make it so that if you want to purchase alcohol you have to be (reasonably) sober. Also make it an offense to purchase alcohol on behalf of a drunk person (the same way it is illegal to purchase alcohol on behalf of a person who is too young) -- actually, isn't this already an (unenforced) law already?

This way, we actually target the problem (apply nanny state rules to the binge drinkers) while those responsible enough to look after themselves are left alone to purchase alcohol if/when they like, whether that's in the morning or night time.

thenutflush · 17-12-2010 03:54PM

I think it should be raised to 11 pm at least.

Off licenses closing at 10pm and nanny state

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