Off licenses closing at 10pm and nanny state

Wazdakka · 16-12-2010 11:13AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

It's a bloody daft law that makes no sense.
They might as well just have made it illegal to buy turnips in the month of Febuary.
It makes about as much sense and does roughly the same to combat underage and binge drinking.

gurramok · 16-12-2010 11:15AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Caoimhín wrote: »

It has nothing to do with trust, it was introduced at the behest of the publicans who were losing business to the off-licences as people were sick of pub drink prices and were drinking at home.

Agree, I was pointing out the irony of it all which this law was nothing to do with 'fighting alcoholism'.

And yeh, off-licences continue to have good business and yet pubs are still suffering because(mostly) of price conscious customers.

16-12-2010 11:17AM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

Let me see.....

Nanny law.......less battered people.

No nanny law......more battered people.

Those spoilsport bastard alcohol addicts, with their violent behaviour when drunk and their neglecting chiddlers and their breaking windows and stealing traffic cones. Those useless waster *****, it's cos of them and their alcohol diseases that decent people can't go and have a quiet pint whatever time they want night or day. Anyone with an alcohol related disease should be put on an alcohol drip till they die of alcohol poisoning, them spoilsport bastards.

Spoilin our buzz, the bastards. I'd bate the hed of them.

(rant relates to all licencing laws)

maggy_thatcher · 16-12-2010 11:23AM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Töpher wrote: »

Stock up on booze when you're doing the shopping.

I can't - I do the weekly shopping on a Sunday morning (as Saturday's bedlam, and I'm still lucky enough to have that work thing on week-days). Unfortunately, the government seems to think that it is irresponsible to purchase alcohol on Sunday mornings, so I have to make a second trip at a time that the government feels is a more suitable time.

What we need is not more nanny state rules about what you can and can't do, but more punishment for those who misbehave.

knird evol · 16-12-2010 11:24AM

If I had to go into the local shop in the morning and buy a load of cans of beer then my neighbors might just begin to suspect that I have Alcohol Dependency Syndrome. And that's something that is just between me and the rest of the lads that go to the meetings.

faceman · 16-12-2010 11:59AM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

I used to be against it but I'm very much for it nowadays although it's a very uneven law given the licensing laws for pubs/clubs and the lacking impact that the Drink Aware campaign has in Ireland.

Ireland has a massive alcohol problem. It's one of the highest costs and burden to the health service, and a large 'acceptable' destroyer and taker of lives too.

That's not to say the vast majority of people suffer from alcohol abuse, but a significant percentage of drinkers in Ireland do. Is it acceptable to forego them for the sake of someone else being permitted to buy a late off sale instead?

We know that most alcohol related strains on the health service and emergency services occur late at night. Therefore a curtailment of late night off sales makes sense although it is a weak curtailment given the lack of responsibility taken by many pubs and clubs to not serve drunk punters.

The argument that the curtailment discriminates against those who work shift doesn't wash. Many other shops and services such as banks, post offices and hairdressers open for less hours than off licenses but you never hear any issue over that

Essentially if you work shift you can plan ahead.

sponsoredwalk · 16-12-2010 12:11PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

I think we should vote for whoever uses as their sole campaign slogan the
desire to remove the 10pm curfew :cool: As for the rest of their policies,
I'm sure they can be trusted to deal with them, after all - we did vote
them in...

prinz · 16-12-2010 12:23PM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

feelingstressed wrote: »

There have been nights after clearing a 15 hour shift I've had a few quiet pints on my own or chatting to the barman but again, after 10pm I cannot take drink at home as I cannot be trusted :rolleyes:

Pretty simple to plan ahead boss. Get a few cans when you're shopping and keep the fridge stocked. There are no shops open within walking distance of me at that hour anyway, I couldn't even buy a litre of milk.... they mustn't trust me with a box of Frosties.

Riamfada · 16-12-2010 12:50PM

Is it really that much of a big deal?

dr.bollocko · 16-12-2010 12:54PM

Damn lousy cockblocking gubbernment.
Wait.
What are we talking about?

Korvanica · 16-12-2010 01:00PM

to be honest, be prepared and have booze in the house just in case you cant make it to the offo, its not hard to be prepared.. If the offo closing time was 11pm people would complain anyway and want it put to 12...

PeterIanStaker · 16-12-2010 01:44PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Stupid law from the Publican Party disguised as nanny state bulls hit.

chakotha · 16-12-2010 01:44PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Caoimhín wrote: »

Im not sure that it is the nanny as much as it is a political decision to help out the publicans. If you cant get a carry out then you have to go into a pub and pay for a extortionately priced pint.

And then there are many who leave the pub before 10 purely in order to make the offy for the afters.

Elevator · 16-12-2010 01:49PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

I've been caught out on more than one occasion and it sucks!

I might also add that it happened more so when I was working 60/70 hours when I was self employed!

Rowley Birkin QC · 16-12-2010 01:50PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

pickarooney wrote: »

Think that's bad? I can't buy beer after six o'clock in my local because they sell petrol. It requires a special brand of Sarkozian logic to come up with something as ludicrous as that.

Yeah but when you turn on your tap wine comes out.

maggy_thatcher · 16-12-2010 02:07PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

prinz wrote: »

Pretty simple to plan ahead boss. Get a few cans when you're shopping and keep the fridge stocked. There are no shops open within walking distance of me at that hour anyway, I couldn't even buy a litre of milk.... they mustn't trust me with a box of Frosties.

But there's no law stopping the shops from selling you a pint of milk. There is a law stopping the shop selling you from selling you something that contains more than trace amounts of ethanol.

Personally I've a bigger problem with the morning ban than the evening ban. If I want to purchase alcohol I have to make an explicit extra trip out to the shops to buy it just because they don't trust you to buy it in the mornings.

kfallon · 16-12-2010 02:12PM

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

But there's no law stopping the shops from selling you a pint of milk. There is a law stopping the shop selling you from selling you something that contains more than trace amounts of ethanol.

Personally I've a bigger problem with the morning ban than the evening ban. If I want to purchase alcohol I have to make an explicit extra trip out to the shops to buy it just because they don't trust you to buy it in the mornings.

There should be a law against usernames like yours :pac:

Plazaman · 16-12-2010 02:20PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Proper order I say. Selling drink on a holy Sunday morning before Mass, we can't be trusted us Irish as we'd only go out and buy a rake of cans and start drinking in the ditch and then won't go home when our dinner's ready and the roast is burnt to a crisp and then fed to the dog who gets piles from burnt meat. And as for selling drink after 10, go way to hell, sure we'd only be buying it for the young wans and then any cans we drink ourselves is in the hedges before heading to nightclubs to kick the heads of each other and dance to shi+e Girls Aloud music which angries up the blood even more so much so that no one can order a bag of chips afterwards with the fights that does be happening not to mention the foreign bands that does be slippin in rivers of puke on Paddy's Day whilst trying to embrace the hospitality instead of having their accordians wrapped around them by 12 year old who got drink from ye last night.

No. Close them all I say...... (or leave them open 24 hours, that could solve the recession and the need to buy 16 crates of Bulmers at the 1 time).

gurramok · 16-12-2010 02:48PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Grimes wrote: »

Is it really that much of a big deal?

Yes. I was caught out by it on a few occasions, very annoying. Now I do stock up on the weekly shop and guess what, thats made me drink more. Totally opposite of what this stupid law was suppose to do.

prinz · 16-12-2010 03:14PM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

But there's no law stopping the shops from selling you a pint of milk. There is a law stopping the shop selling you from selling you something that contains more than trace amounts of ethanol.

So what? The central point is that I have to plan around it. Big deal.

gurramok wrote: »

Now I do stock up on the weekly shop and guess what, thats made me drink more. Totally opposite of what this stupid law was suppose to do.

In fairness, you make yourself drink more. Nothing else. It's irrelevant whether your fridge is full of drink from top to bottom or whether you can go buy in an offie at 11pm. The only person responsible for the amount of drink is you yourself. That precise abdication of personal responsibility is why they have laws such as the off licensing times to begin with.

maggy_thatcher · 16-12-2010 03:27PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

prinz wrote: »

So what? The central point is that I have to plan around it. Big deal.

The point is that you said the reason you couldn't buy a pint of milk was because they didn't trust you with Frosties...but you can buy a pint of milk, just not in your neighbourhood. It's not nanny-state rules that dictate it.

prinz wrote: »

In fairness, you make yourself drink more. Nothing else. It's irrelevant whether your fridge is full of drink from top to bottom or whether you can go buy in an offie at 11pm. The only person responsible for the amount of drink is you yourself. That precise abdication of personal responsibility is why they have laws such as the off licensing times to begin with.

It points out the stupidity of the nanny state rule. The law says "thou shalt not purchase alcohol except at these restricted hours we state and in these restricted premesis.". The excuse for the law some people give is that it's because we can't be trusted to not drink excessively if we can buy it all the time. gurramok demonstrated that as a direct result of the law his/her alcohol consumption actually went up. Therefore the law is doing the opposite.

gurramok · 16-12-2010 03:53PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

prinz wrote: »

In fairness, you make yourself drink more. Nothing else. It's irrelevant whether your fridge is full of drink from top to bottom or whether you can go buy in an offie at 11pm. The only person responsible for the amount of drink is you yourself. That precise abdication of personal responsibility is why they have laws such as the off licensing times to begin with.

Its very hard to resist having those cans stocked in the fridge. Try it. You see them every day and they are crying out to be consumed

If on the other hand, I did not have them stocked in and had to go out and buy them on a weekend when I felt like it, I would not be drinking mid week for example. Hence reduced consumption.

prinz · 16-12-2010 03:58PM

Disagree, incorrect decision from our government

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

gurramok demonstrated that as a direct result of the law his/her alcohol consumption actually went up. Therefore the law is doing the opposite.

Gurramok demonstrated that Gurramok's self control isn't the best, nothing more.

gurramok wrote: »

Its very hard to resist having those cans stocked in the fridge. Try it. You see them every day and they are crying out to be consumed

I feel your pain. I have a few cans in the fridge staring at me everytime I open it. Looking all cold, and refreshing, bit of condensation running down the side...

gurramok wrote: »

If on the other hand, I did not have them stocked in and had to go out and buy them on a weekend when I felt like it, I would not be drinking mid week for example. Hence reduced consumption.

Use the force, control yourself.

IM0 · 16-12-2010 03:58PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

I raised this before in Ranting & Raving forum but not a whole lot of reaction.

well if you cant get anyone to agree with you there there is no hope for the arguement really

+ people have to work in these places so you can get your drink after 10pm

Guy:Incognito · 16-12-2010 04:01PM

khmk wrote: »

ok, but what if you finish work at 10pm and as an adult you want to have a drink?

and what about all the people finishing after 11:30 under the old laws? Where was the outcry for them?

whatsamsn · 16-12-2010 04:13PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

Haha, the law didnt change much :P (except for causing a nuance)
Everyone just gets the drink before ten. Go into an off-license between 9.30 / 10pm and its especially busy :cool:

But as for the law itself its communism. Think about it.

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 16-12-2010 04:21PM

If it stops gangs of skangers hanging around shops after 10, I'm all for it.
If you can't keep booze in your house without drinking every last drop right away then you should seek help.

Pro tip: stock up on a drink that you don't enjoy, that way you won't be tempted to guzzle it all, but if you have the urgent need to get pissed - you still have options.

Wazdakka · 16-12-2010 04:22PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

whatsamsn wrote: »

But as for the law itself its communism. Think about it.

So the law that Offies have to close at 10pm is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a stateless and classless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate?

Wait...

I get it now..
Makes perfect sense.

whatsamsn · 16-12-2010 04:29PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

two things:
"..sarcasm is the lowest form of wit..." & making your opinion sound more "sophisticated" does not make your opinion more vaild. In fact its poncey.

Simple fact is we are adults. If I want to get a bottle of Jack Daniels at 1am in the morning I should be entitled to. There should not be a rule stating me that I have to buy alcohol before 10pm. Its someone telling me what I can and cant do.

STForSale · 16-12-2010 04:29PM

Don't realy know, neutral vote

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

Personally I've a bigger problem with the morning ban than the evening ban. If I want to purchase alcohol I have to make an explicit extra trip out to the shops to buy it just because they don't trust you to buy it in the mornings.

+1, I find myself timing my weekly shopping trip to tescos, don't want to be at the till before 12:30 on Sunday or you can't have the booze.
Why oh why can I not buy a bottle of wine and a six pack until 12:30?

Off licenses closing at 10pm and nanny state

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