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I'll opt for measurable data over an uninformed opinion. But maybe that's just playing into the hands of the conspiracy, eh?
What tests have be done to prove this?
If it is as cut and dry as this, then surely they could demonstrate it pretty easily?0 -
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They are either chemtrails or contrails. You prove they are not one, by proving they are the other. Simple, in theory.We do not prove that something "is not"
We do prove that something "is". In the same manner I don't have to prove that God does not exist - it's the believers who have to prove that he does. :cool:
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Well... All I want is a proof that planes spray something above our heads. It is obvious that this proof will not exist, because:They are either chemtrails or contrails. You prove they are not one, by proving they are the other. Simple, in theory.
- all mass media are involved in conspiracy
- all millions of people working there keep it in secret
- every pilot, member of the airport crew, everyone are very disciplined and never say what really is in the planes and what they do with it and what for.
All these people don't care about themselves or their families because "The Case" is the highest priority. "The Case" - obviously, is spreading unknown substances above the land inhabited by humans, however the purpose of this activity remains unknown. All we know comes from some small exceptions who (putting their lives at a great risk!) leak a few bits and pieces and publish on underground websites. Surprisingly though, such a powerful Organisation (the one that is behind the chemtrails, etc.) has no power to block or remove a few silly videos from youtube, part of Google, which - undoubtedly - is involved in the conspiracy as well! Same when it comes to 4th-class web servers with cheapest domains, that contain very valuable proofs and documentation, videos and witnesses relations. They just leave them alone, most likely because they are scared of "The Resistance" - which, let me guess, many of you people consider yourselves to be
Ah, please... Come one... It's as silly as some Nigerian scam....
By the way - does many of you believe in Reptilians who are going to posses the Earth in 2012?
Here is the "proof", as valuable as other rubbish from youtube:
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The fact that planes fly across the sky is an evidence? Well, don't consider myself very demanding - but I don't buy it.GarlicBread wrote: »There you go, you got all the evidence
I was thinking of something better - if you are serious about that - and I am damn serious. Lets gather some weekend in a spot that tends to have increased amount of the reported "suspicious" flights and count and write down every hour:minute and direction of every plane that flies across. I would estimate start time 7:00am and we finish when it gets dark.
It should be quite simple to obtain data from the Airports and with a bit of work we should be able to estimate the amount of "unknown" flights - after considering planes that are just passing by on their way to Moscow, Budapest, etc..
I am honestly intrigued by that "crazy amount" of planes and the trails - I would like to have a closer look. Better than reading ****ty blogs, isn't it?
Any volunteers to join me and maybe drop some more ideas? 0 -
The fact that planes fly across the sky is an evidence? Well, don't consider myself very demanding - but I don't buy it.
I was thinking of something better - if you are serious about that - and I am damn serious. Lets gather some weekend in a spot that tends to have increased amount of the reported "suspicious" flights and count and write down every hour:minute and direction of every plane that flies across. I would estimate start time 7:00am and we finish when it gets dark.
It should be quite simple to obtain data from the Airports and with a bit of work we should be able to estimate the amount of "unknown" flights - after considering planes that are just passing by on their way to Moscow, Budapest, etc..
I am honestly intrigued by that "crazy amount" of planes and the trails - I would like to have a closer look. Better than reading ****ty blogs, isn't it?
Any volunteers to join me and maybe drop some more ideas?
Better yet, go take some soil from your garden and test it for aluminium. 0 -
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I would like to confirm how many planes are normal passenger/cargo planes, registered and scheduled from where, where to, etc.
I was inspired by this:
"Has anyone noticed the crazy amounts of chemtrails over north wexford recently. Pretty obvious grid-like formation. At one stage it was three in a line. The sky literally looked like it was sprayed. We can be fairly certain that although the government has no regard for the safety and well being of its people, they lack the ability to pull such a task off. SO WHO? Unless it was the ministerial jet swooping around. "
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67768610&postcount=1
So instead of scaremongering why not to do some research?? If it turns out that we could track 90 of 100 planes and remaining 10 would not leave any trails - wouldn't it be a first pinch of salt in this stupid theory?
Better than reading some "underground" blogs anyway...0 -
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@ joebucks:
There you go.. I didn't think of a telescope. I totally don't mind have a nice trip (sandwich box is a MUST ) and see what can WE do... I hope more people would come up with a few more ideas and shape of this project.
For sure man. I totally agree that it is important to do your own investigation and not just believe what a few youtube vids claim.
However if there is covert spraying happening and we manage to crack the nefarious plot, do you think they will let us live to tell the tale?0 -
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If you tell me precisely who they are, I will be able to tell you whether we survive or not
Dunno man, I reckon if there is a they and they are capable of conducting a covert worldwide spraying campaign then they won't have any prob bumping off anyone who comes close to exposing themThre first link covers the gamut of the Appleman line - the formula used to determine if contrails will form or not - no capacity for freezing the condensed water vapour emitted by a jet engine - no persistent contrail.
Ther second link is a review of the Appleman formula - which finds that it's relatively reliable - particularly at determining when a contrail won't be produced (the intent of the formula in the first place - to avoid the visual detection of military aircraft).
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/resources/activities/appleman_student.html
OK so is there anywhere we can see the appleman formula put into practice to predict persistent contrails?
As Sean Nash's link above shows similar criteria for predicting such trails it should be easy to show it put into practice.
The only problem that remains for me is that some days you see planes emitting persistent contrails and others emitting ones that disappear.
I have also seen persistent contrails form at the same height as cumulus clouds which where conditons below the criteria needed in the Appleman formula. My eyes may have deceived me in this instance which is why I ask is there a specific instrument one can use from the round to determine the exact altitude a plane is flying?0 -
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I would like to confirm how many planes are normal passenger/cargo planes, registered and scheduled from where, where to, etc.
I was inspired by this:
"Has anyone noticed the crazy amounts of chemtrails over north wexford recently. Pretty obvious grid-like formation. At one stage it was three in a line. The sky literally looked like it was sprayed. We can be fairly certain that although the government has no regard for the safety and well being of its people, they lack the ability to pull such a task off. SO WHO? Unless it was the ministerial jet swooping around. "
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67768610&postcount=1
So instead of scaremongering why not to do some research?? If it turns out that we could track 90 of 100 planes and remaining 10 would not leave any trails - wouldn't it be a first pinch of salt in this stupid theory?
Better than reading some "underground" blogs anyway...
I wasn't trying to scaremonger, it was a genuine question. I don't think identifying the planes and their routes would either prove or disprove the existence of 'chemtrails' to the people who generally believe the theory. Also, calling it a stupid theory (although I personally think the most widely held one is) suggests a confirmation bias on your part so your research is ultimately flawed.
As for the 'underground blog' remark, well it's not quite as underground these days as you seem to think it is.. there are a number of 'documentaries' relating to the subject and it has being widely discussed in mainstream media recently. People who don't usually have an interest in CTs are talking about it; so it isn't just some fantasy from the bowels of the internet any more.
As I've said a few times already, I think that using the Appleman Chart to predict the formation of trails on any given day is a better way to disprove the theory that the planned spraying of chemicals is a reality, although the data required to do so is not available for the most part.0 -
kingmob you cant compare chemtrails to unicorns!
unicorns are fictiion yes but they have a historic myth legend refrence for centuries .
chemtrails are a new modern phenomenon. the average man on street wouldnt even have heard abotu them compared to the millions tha have learned about unicorns through
fairytales , fiction and literature pop culture mainstream. chemtrails are unorthodox. and its idea is still evoliving forming wther it be true or not is open to
debate.
fact is alot truth comes abotu that the establishment , status qou dont want to hear or get out they deny it label it heresy and you know what go read some copernicus
and galileo because it always comes otu eventualy and turn everything form science to politics on its head.
i see alot of arrogance on this thread. not everythign is so cut and dry as some would liek to think. and some need lesson in humility humbleness. history has proven
unquestionen loyalty ir faith or belief in one doctrine or one dogma is catastrophic.
you thought police and fascists cannot controll freedom of thought or ideas as long as humanity breathes a breath.
seannash like other keep replying like thye havent read what i wrote and only reply whaever was on their minds and try apply it to my q.s the phoenix parks pentagram
is irrelevant. i was talking about wexford airspcace. aint no aiorport over gorey i know of. and no need fror so many planes to fly as thye were continuous for days
somemtimes but none of you can give a valid reason or excuse for this fact. whose planes were they ? waht were they doing.
noen of your disinos so far have been sufficent to answer these and my ealrier questions. some the links and info are interesting and maybe she dlight on other issues
but none of you conclusilvley answered why planes periodicaly fly over cities globaly oin thes e formations leavign trails of whatever for now chemtrails will suffice.
i never proposed a theory as some of you like to say. i only asked questions . your poor attempts at distrating and misguiding and disnfo only raise more questions.
others have agendas.
RoboClam your panes route only shoed uk plane routes when i clicked your link. am curious does this mean the public can visibly look up oni internet any flight and see
it s no.? so we can check whos flying when the trails start appearing?
monty i have not promoted any cosnpiracy theory. only asled q.s
5uspect i understand planes have contrails im not denying that but certain trails do linger and form clouds of difrent nature than average contrail.
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1. there is still the q. why are the planes flying across in such a fashion anyways?
Navigation via VORs.
Common practice in busy flight paths.
Oh realy? its common for planes to fly by in parllel lines leaving obvious trails circle and return again and again parallel and kriss kross patterns in 2-8 plane
formations? no where near airports or flight routesd whiel a bi plane flies below surveying the trails?
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2. why do they need to fly several planes in such formations again and again across each others paths.?
Same as above. As I said in another thread they're just roundabouts in the sky. This makes traffic management easier for flight controllers. GPS is only considered a
secondary system due to it's unreliability.
i understadn need for traffic control and waitng for landing etc but military drilled precison flights in parallel sequences come on.
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3. and why over so many various locations around the world?
VORs are common navigational assets found near most airports but also across most countries.
VORS? explain pls for us laymen.
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4. what are the planes doing???
Flying places.
tut. but why fly in such obiously unecesarry formations and leaving trails that form clouds after again and again?
A320-200 this nonsensival no you linked no i dont understand how could anyone understand that gibberish? even google crapped it!
you had othber interesting links but what relevance it had on my q.s i cant fathom. espec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_Standard_Atmosphere what poitn wer eu makin
about this bs?
and then you fall into the lowness of insulting. questioning is educating but arrogants liek you would ratehr we all be good sheeple and obey your cockiness so you
wont have to hurt your head explaining away your corruptions. aand what is this nonsense about me targetting aircraft lol you crazy! " aircraft as the "soft target"
because people are just too ignorant. " where did i target aircraft and why you getting all defensive its lol
later you spout more tripe about contrails in winter but you cannto excuse chemtrails in summer in california usa and other regions world hot climates sunny or summer.
your boyles law might impress some but not me. i passed physics in leaving cert thanks. im aware. your emo commnet is so duh and irrelevant to chemtrails argument why
its in there?
humaji is right usa has been experimetning with weather/climate technology since 50s 60s espec around vietnam time. one experiement flew b-52 up high adn dropped
crystals in clouds to amke it rain. if theyb could do that back in the 50s 60s jsut imagine what they can do now!
even U.N. documents and US military papers mention and confirm so.
seannash again you are a revisionist threader troller!or an ignorant idiot who cant read! what i was saying if planes are flying over irish airspace they have to get
permission. the govt is aware fo them and must have knowledge of what compnaies are flying and hwo planes and pilots are and belong to or working for . therefoire th
govt should inform the public who they are flying over wexfoprd fro example espec gorey and where hwne and what for . that might stop chemtrails wild theories of thats
what you relay want so much!
love to know what excuses youd all have for the banks grand theft too! i can imagine! lol
why does the net go down alot when on boards.ie so much? censorship? lol
apolagie for any sp errors typeos spellchekcer not working.. i wrote on the go fast! 0 -
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