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(US) Dexter Season 5 Episode 12 - "The Big One" (SPOILERS WITHIN)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Furet wrote: »
    Why did you vote that it was excellent so? ;)
    Mod error there. johndoe99 is the only vote.

    If you count the terrible votes, only 8 people are listed, but there are 9 votes.

    I used my mod powers to correct my error.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Smurfpiss


    Jesus you guys are harsh!
    I have to say I'm pretty disappointed... but I really liked Julia Stiles character, and I got the impression she only signed on for one season, and they had to just shove her off the show like that.

    I was expecting more creepiness from Sonya, not sure what to think of her besides just a convenient way of getting Harrison out of the way.

    Didn't like the end of Liddy, and Quinn getting off the hook is far fetched at best, but him knowing that dexter is a killer is interesting at least.
    I think Deb might suspect Dexter, she said something interesting at the end...

    But jesus yeah if i see one more ohhhhh he's gonna get caught moment I'll scream.

    He really should just get busted. I want to see the pieces all fall in to place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    To me it looks like the writers did want to take it in brave new direction. The entire arc of the season was setting it up so that deb would have to choose between her brother the serial killer or her boyfriend the honestish cop. Dexter having to choose between bringing his sister into his web of lies, turning himself in and confessing all his sins, or running for it.

    I bet it was some studio suit who didn't want to risk possibly turning away a few viewers and got them to re-write the ending and play it safe.

    Needless to say the ending sucked balls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭SDTimeout


    I'll only take a positive for this. As my BJJ training was canceled and Arsenal are toothless. I do not want any more negativity after finishing watching that.

    Season 3 wasn't the best and they gave us Season 4.

    Please god do this with season 6. I echo the comments of i will watch it. I feel sorry for the people i have told to watch it, knowing they have to reach this point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    A fittingly **** end to a sub standard season. I will give season 6 a chance becuase most shows had a season of absolute ****.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    I was kinda hoping it would end with either Dexter being caught and there being a very public trial next season where he is hero worshiped by the public ala that dream sequence in season 2 or alternatively Lumen being caught/allowing herself to be caught for the murders to protect Dexter as he has a kid and a job she feels is important with the next season seeing Dexter in the unenviable position of having to give evidence at her trial while at the same time trying to find some way to derail it and save the woman he loves from deathrow .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭OctavarIan


    The final 10 minutes were almost unbearable. The writing was so trite I couldn't believe it.

    Just think, all of season five was for that. The writers felt that was the best outcome for the season that carried on from Trinity's legacy. Wow

    But they got their ratings.

    To those saying detractors are being too harsh... There is some utterly amazing television out there and Dexter just last year was up there near the top. People have every right to be harsh in their criticism; this season was a total washout.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Well I thought this was better than season three...

    Still a weak (but not awful) ending. Too many cop outs, too many missed chances. Deb zoning in on them but then walking off being the worst. As pointed out above, for all she knew Dexter could have been about to slice Lumen and she let him get back to it when she walked away.

    Also Dexter does blood analysis, but wouldn't there be other DNA traces in the van? Then again Dexter can break into cars in daylight and knock people out in public so I don't know why I'm looking for that sort of attention to detail.

    I really really think they should have had Deb find out it was Dexter. It would have set up such an interesting angle for a sixth season. Instead we've made no character progression of interest. I'll watch it next year but I'm not enthusiastic. Oh John Lithgow how we miss you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Shane St.


    davy78x wrote: »
    Ugh worst season I think.

    Lumen: "I have to go now Dexter, my dark passenger is gone". Ah sure thats grand in the season finale eh. I never liked Lumen anyway but a 20 second wrap up of her character and she disappears into one of the many plot holes this season? Thanks writers.

    Who do Miami metro think killed Liddy? It wasn't Quinn so who cares? :mad:

    I was really hoping it would end showing that Deb knew it was Dexter behind the curtain and that would set it up nicely for a full on season 6 but instead we get that ****e.

    I really wanted it to be great...
    agree 100% with this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭FreeOSCAR


    Felt sick watching that.

    Probably the worst season of television I've watched all year.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    Ron DMC wrote: »
    1) What the hell happened with the Santa Muerte killers? Deb shot one of them but isn't the other guy still out there? Did they just drop the case?

    I can't actually remember if that, and the story other Latino cop that shafted Deb, ever got resolved. It seems as though these were two different seasons the way it was split.
    Ron DMC wrote: »
    2) Aside from the rest of the season, there were too many 'happy' coincidences in this episode too: a) Crashed car at the camp that was stolen from the other crimescene, are they not gonna connect those two facts.

    No, you just know that there will be no connection between crime-scene A and kill-site B. In fact, you can be pretty sure there will be not a single mention of either of these ever again. I think Angel summed it up quite aptly by saying "Am I the only one that cares about this murder?". Yes, you are.
    Ron DMC wrote: »
    3) LaGuerta is stupid as we know, but come on, even if the bloodwork got him off, is she really that dumb not to have thought that Quinn asking for a lawyer and being connected to a dodgy cop with a van full of surveillance gear MIGHT have had something to do with Dexter seeing as he was reluctant to give up on that investigation for so long? I mean, jesus.

    Very lazy writing. The whole last 15 minutes was just a continuation on that theme too. This has gone the way of Lost, too much going on to ever write a good way out of it, so they're just going to keep digging in the hopes that no one notices when they fall out the other side.
    Ron DMC wrote: »
    Here's to season 6, let's hope for real consequences to Dexter's actions, instead of the him being the jammiest fucker in the world.

    I really thought they were going to set up the motherfucker of a final series, but having Dexter come out from behind the sheeting, and confess to Deb that it was him (and Lumen, to a lesser extent). I was just waiting for it... but nothing, except a big cop out. It would have been some real character development to see how Deb would deal with this, how it would effect their relationship, and how it would creep over into their work lives, and the whole story for the next season could have been fantastic. That really was the way to go with this. Dexter needs to end, and soon, and in a big spectacle way with him being found out (at the very least by Deb).
    ixoy wrote: »
    Well I thought this was better than season three...

    Small mercies, but true enough. A very up and down season, with a good build up in the finale, but bad let down ending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    II feel like i'm repeating everyone else already, but I've been gettin a few buddies to start watching Dexter...they're just getting to season 4 now, but after that finale, I really wanna tell them to stop at season 4's finale...I really, really, really hoped season 5 would end with a redeeming bang, especially after the masterful season 4...it really ruined my day :(, I really wanted a spectacular finale, but they held back..a lot.

    the worst thing is there wasn't even a cliff hanger, or any sort of bombshell to get me in anyway hyped for whatever is to come.

    Just a happy ending.

    This is like a time one of those rage faces would come in handy..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Watched it on the way to college, bleh. Sleeping would've been a far better use of my time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Ron Dmc has already noted many of the obvious plot holes but for completists sake heres another one , Deb Discharging a bullet at the Camp Jordan Crime scene , presumably when she calls it in she tells them she has found the barrel girl crimescene abandoned so how does she explain the bullet that Horatio and his plucky CSI sidekick Calleigh Dusquesne would no doubt find ? accidental discharge ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭gavmcg92


    I don't get it???
    Earlier on this week I heard that they had started to film season 6 but from looking at that finale it would seem that they have come to a close.
    In my opinion it ended too neatly with a nice reunion... Where was the twist or even the open ended story to set up next season... there wasn't any.

    I think a season of Dexter in prison would be nice.. similar to that of Dr.House in the insane asylum. I think that would add a nice texture to the already deflated story. Come to think of it... this season would have been a nice set up for that proposed story with Deb handing over her brother to miami metro... hahaha I should be a writer...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭displaced dub


    Hi All

    First time commenting here as i didnt even know there was a Dexter thread.

    i have lived for Mondays for years to get my Dexter fix, Last seasons finale shocked me and had my head spinning for a week, it was genius.

    But this season was to be fair Sh*te, that last episode was really the worst finale i have ever seen. I thought with 15 minutes to go with Chase dead and Deb on the other side of the plastic that we were in for another excellent ending but they fudged it... I was expecting Dex to inject Deb and escape or even get caught.

    No real cliff hanger now for next season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭seadnamac


    I can only echo what the majority have been saying. Absolutely horrible season, completey and utterly pointless.

    Surely this has not gone unnoticed by the critics in America? Any links to any reviews?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    seadnamac wrote: »
    I can only echo what the majority have been saying. Absolutely horrible season, completey and utterly pointless.

    Surely this has not gone unnoticed by the critics in America? Any links to any reviews?


    I was thinking the same, I did a search yesterday and found none ...

    maybe today ...

    edit yes - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/dexter-watch-annoyed-by-the-season-finale/?partner=rss&emc=rss


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    the_monkey wrote: »
    I was thinking the same, I did a search yesterday and found none ...

    maybe today ...

    edit yes - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/dexter-watch-annoyed-by-the-season-finale/?partner=rss&emc=rss

    Thanks for the link but what a crap review. It barely scratched the surface. Most online reviews of the various season 5 episodes were little short of fawning. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭tvnutz


    I think a lot of the reviews have been very positive which is mind boggling. I thought that perhaps something would happen in the finale to save this season. Deb finding out that Dexter was killing the Jordan Chase rape gang would have been a great step. What she has gone through and admitting that she felt some people deserved to die,it could have worked. She didn't have to know Dex was a serial killer,that maybe he just did these few muders for Lumen. Then as time went on she might start figuring out he was still killing.

    But it was just a total letdown. I never despised Lumen and I like Julia Stiles,but as someone mentioned the character was not developed properly and then suddenly she is gone in a 10 second wrap up to her character.

    The writing was so sloppy as well,so Dexter lied about the blood. Is Quinn just going to leave that alone? He knows the blood was Liddy's so what reason would Dex have for lying? Apart from that there was the equipment booked out under Quinn's name,the fingerprints all over the van,the phone calls from Liddy's phone.So what if the blood didn't match? There was so much other evidence but the cops decide to ignore all of that? Shocking writing.

    Also as someone mentioned,the bullet Deb shot off,was that not questioned when going over the crime scene later on? No explanation needed for that?

    This season was always going to be hard because last season was so brilliant. But how could they possibly fall so far? I got more excitement and was on the edge of my seat with the most recent episode of Nikita than anytime in this entire season of Dexter. They should do a Walking Dead and fire all the writers after that season.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Furet wrote: »
    Thanks for the link but what a crap review. It barely scratched the surface. Most online reviews of the various season 5 episodes were little short of fawning. :rolleyes:

    :D:D

    I was about to apologize for posting a link to such a sh*t review!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    average ending to an average season

    lumen ****ing off gives me some hope for the next seaon

    one scene in this series was the best scene of the series, lumen tied up with self help guy right up in her face with the mouth wide open and then getting worked up, i was like **** ye thats the evil bad guy i want to see and then it ended and went back to average boringness. dexter stabbing him in the foot was a bit of the old dexter again but i think the next season is make or break as far as how the show gets remembered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,051 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    I thought it was fine, would have been to easy for Lumen to be killed ( I was actually waiting for a sniper to take her out on Dexter's boat :) ) anyway looking forward to next season, maybe the nanny has a dark passenger lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Enjoyed large parts of this season, and while I wasn't too surprised by the ending, they could have done a lot more with it. Opportunity missed. Decent enough season overall. I won't let the ending ruin it too much.
    anyway looking forward to next season, maybe the nanny has a dark passenger lol

    I hope Mary Poppins sods off before season 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭madrab


    I hope they just retcon the last 15 mins and say it was a dream & that he is actually arresed

    like seriously, how long was quinn arrested/detained for & how long did it take for the lawyer to get there & what did he say?? it doesnt make any sense!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭gavmcg92


    What I want to know is who did Dexter say the blood on quinns shoe was...
    Like surly the way quinn reacted to the detection of the blood was abnormal to say the least...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Smurfpiss


    OctavarIan wrote: »
    To those saying detractors are being too harsh... There is some utterly amazing television out there and Dexter just last year was up there near the top. People have every right to be harsh in their criticism; this season was a total washout.

    Absolutely, not saying they don't!
    I guess I should have been more clear, the Finale was pretty ****e, but I enjoyed the season up till the last 2 episodes. So i guess I find it more harsh that everyone hated the entire season.

    I guess I watched this season in my own little bubble and read very little comments on it, but I enjoyed the whole story arc, but the conclusion was a total wuss out.

    Ah well. I actually will miss Lumen.. Sonya better do something though, other wise she is too ****in boring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    gavmcg92 wrote: »
    What I want to know is who did Dexter say the blood on quinns shoe was...
    Like surly the way quinn reacted to the detection of the blood was abnormal to say the least...

    Probably said it was his own (Quinns), he doesn't need to proove it
    they take his word.

    I started S1 again - we really need a proper new Dokes !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Jericho.


    I voted average. Not to say that it was an average episode of dexter but when compared to a lot of other television out there, even though a bit disappointing, it would still fall somewhere in the average range.

    *Fingers crossed season six will be epic!*


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 102 ✭✭Brian010


    Easily the worst season and finale ever. It's even more disappointing given how good last season was. It seemed like the writers were either totally incompetent or just plain lazy. Nothing came together and the dialogue was terrible throughout the season. It was hard to watch the actors struggle through it. I agree Michael C. Hall is a superb actor but even he looked shaky in the finale. What a waste of time!!! :mad:


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