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What would the world be like, if alcohol were illegal and marijuana were legal

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    #32
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    If we didn't have alcohol Western Europe and China probably wouldn't be in the position they in now,
    Alcoholic beverages were safer to drink than water all through the middle ages and previous eras.

    Here we drank beer because it was safer than water but in the Far east they drank tea (boiled water).

    To answer the OP, very fooking chilled out and slightly paranoid. :cool:


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    #33
    TPD
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    I don't get the 'paranoid' thing. The majority of the paranoia that comes from cannabis is caused by its illegal status. I'm sure the folks sneaking sly drinks during the prohibition were pretty paranoid about it.


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    #34
    RMD
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    More lung cancer, less liver cancer.

    Marijuana smoke in itself doesn't contain carcinogens. If tobacco is used in a joint then yes it contains carcinogens, but a blunt (Just Marijuana) doesn't. Marijuana itself is actually used as a medicinal treatment for certain types of cancer. But this discussion is for another topic to be honest.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html

    I wouldn't like alcohol being illegal, but hypothetically if it was there'd certainly be some big differences. One of the most beneficial being A&E departments wouldn't be full of various alcohol related injuries and sicknesses come the weekend.


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    #35
    orourkeda
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    Bollocks to illegal gargle


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    #36
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    TPD wrote: »
    I don't get the 'paranoid' thing. The majority of the paranoia that comes from cannabis is caused by its illegal status. I'm sure the folks sneaking sly drinks during the prohibition were pretty paranoid about it.

    It makes you quite introspective and very self aware, and also very aware of little things around you that you wouldn't normally notice, consequently the mind can "wander" a bit and a degree of paranoia can and often does occur because of this.
    The less experienced users often have a very high level of this, and because of the illegal status, this self awareness and tendency to paranoia, things can become quite overwhelming.


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    #37
    noodler
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    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    It makes you quite introspective and very self aware, and also very aware of little things around you that you wouldn't normally notice, consequently the mind can "wander" a bit and a degree of paranoia can and often does occur because of this.
    The less experienced users often have a very high level of this, and because of the illegal status, this self awareness and tendency to paranoia, things can become quite overwhelming.

    Productivity would go way down.


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    #38
    Cú Giobach
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    noodler wrote: »
    Productivity would go way down.

    Through the floor. :D


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    #39
    iainconlon12
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    A LOT less fights.


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    #40
    AntiMatter
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    Less destructiveness, more creativity.


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    #41
    Trog
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    This thread would be a LOT longer.


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    #42
    Irish Guitarist
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    Prohibition already happened in America in the 1920s. As a result alcohol became even more popular. Al Capone made a fortune from bootlegging alcohol. There was so much crime the government had to legalise alcohol again.


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    #43
    landsleaving
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    Trog wrote: »
    This thread would be a LOT longer.

    This thread wouldn't have even started :pac:


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    #44
    PeakOutput
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    More lung cancer, less liver cancer.

    that is actually factually incorrect, but seen as this isnt a debate i guess i can let it slide :p


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    #45
    PeakOutput
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    TPD wrote: »
    I don't get the 'paranoid' thing. The majority of the paranoia that comes from cannabis is caused by its illegal status. I'm sure the folks sneaking sly drinks during the prohibition were pretty paranoid about it.

    thats not really what its about

    certain strains make the paranoia stand out more but its ore about being more self aware and bringing out your own insecurities and stuff like that i think

    for example sitting in a group of people you make a joke and some people laugh but if your insecure about stuff like that when your high your way more likely to start thinking 'oh **** people didnt laugh they think im an idiot' or you are more aware that you might be doing something stupid and you get paranoid about it

    the solution is simple, smoke a strain that dosnt make you paranoid


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    #46
    Agent Smith
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    Sales of kebabs would nosedive


    sales of monstermunch would skyrocket!


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    #47
    Cú Giobach
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    Agent Smith wrote: »
    Sales of kebabs would nosedive
    Sales of kitchen utensils would nosedive, sales of anything you don't have to cook yourself would skyrocket. :cool:


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    #48
    Companero
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    Marijuana smoke in itself doesn't contain carcinogens

    Not true. All Burning plant material is cargenogenic to some degree. In fact pound for pound marijuana is more cargenogenic than tobacco, its just that as its far less addictive than tobacco, people dont usually get intot the habit of smoking it 20 times a day, and its the repeated expoosure that really gives you cancer.


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    #49
    rantyface
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    You can make alcohol so easily from readily available foods that a ban just couldn't work!
    I also wonder if it would be bad for the economy since alcohol is a big industry. Unless cannabis really took off, it could never make as much money or employ as many people as the alcohol industry. A couple of farmers could probably supply the whole country.


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    #50
    orourkeda
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    I think i'd be turning to the tried and trusted fetish porn for my kicks.

    No gargle means you gotta get your kicks some way


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    #51
    PeakOutput
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    Companero wrote: »
    Not true. All Burning plant material is cargenogenic to some degree. In fact pound for pound marijuana is more cargenogenic than tobacco, its just that as its far less addictive than tobacco, people dont usually get intot the habit of smoking it 20 times a day, and its the repeated expoosure that really gives you cancer.

    references please

    i havnt been able to find any studies that link smoking marijuana to cancer, just burning something does not result in a carcinogen as far as i am aware but if you have something that says otherwise im all ears (or eyes or whatever the right expression for the net is)


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    #52
    mikom
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    Companero wrote: »
    In fact pound for pound marijuana is more cargenogenic than tobacco,

    Unprocessed tobacco maybe.
    Then the cigarette manufacturers go to work, adding a little bit of this and a little bit of that to keep the fag burning amongst other things,
    Cigarette additives used by the leading US brands shows the following ingredients: benzene (synthetic rubber used in dyes), methoprene (dangerous insecticide) naphthalene (mothball ingredient), ethyl furoate (lung-damaging chemical), methyl isocyanate (extremely poisonous substance that accidentally killed hundreds of people in India in 1984), as well as lead, cadmium, nickel, and polonium (all known chemical poisons with cancer-provoking qualities).


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    #53
    rossie1977
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    rantyface wrote: »
    Unless cannabis really took off, it could never make as much money or employ as many people as the alcohol industry. A couple of farmers could probably supply the whole country.

    if cannabis was legal, the cotton and paper industry would basically cease to exist

    as for what the world would be like if alcohol was illegal, 1920s usa should provide enough evidence of what it would be like, the black market in alcohol would be huge, crime would be rampant, a few people would be making billions off the back of illegal booze, prisons would be full, parts of cities would no-go areas (sounds alot like today actually)


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    #54
    RMD
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    Companero wrote: »
    Not true. All Burning plant material is cargenogenic to some degree. In fact pound for pound marijuana is more cargenogenic than tobacco, its just that as its far less addictive than tobacco, people dont usually get intot the habit of smoking it 20 times a day, and its the repeated expoosure that really gives you cancer.

    As said, a reference to that would be nice, preferably from an unbiased source. In terms of addiction though that is totally true, I could never imagine myself having more than 1-2 joints a day at most, never any more. Knowing it gets you high actually helps regulates ones use of it to be honest.


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    #55
    Irish Guitarist
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    The "If found return to the pub" t-shirt makers would be out of business.


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    #56
    Star Bingo
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    there'd certainly be less brazen displays of madness and insanity n frothing at the mouth to be passed off as acceptable 'under the circumstances' and ushered out of court. yes, the high that can exhibit the effects of crack cocaine is the legal one.


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    #57
    Cú Giobach
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    RMD wrote: »
    Knowing it gets you high actually helps regulates ones use of it to be honest.
    :D
    Yea. Because it gets me high I regulate it to only 10 or more spliffs a day. :)


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    #58
    RMD
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    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    :D
    Yea. Because it gets me high I regulate it to only 10 or more spliffs a day. :)

    How many people do you know who will have 10 pints a day? I wouldn't touch Weed or Alcohol if I have a task to do, if I don't I might have a joint or a couple of pints.

    People who smoke joint after joint every day are idiots, just the same as alcoholics.


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    #59
    Cú Giobach
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    RMD wrote: »
    How many people do you know who will have 10 pints a day?
    Loads and loads. (a lot who have even more, oh the shame of it)
    I wouldn't touch Weed or Alcohol if I have a task to do, if I don't I might have a joint or a couple of pints.
    Good for you.
    People who smoke joint after joint every day are idiots, just the same as alcoholics.
    Hmmm...very judgmental aren't we.


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    #60
    [Deleted User]
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    A hell of a lot more unemployment (no jobs in drinks industry). Much reduced revenue from alcohol sales.

    Worst of all there would be no craic. A world of sleepy hash heads and no drink. Sounds pretty crap to me.


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    #61
    AntiMatter
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    A hell of a lot more employment (plenty of jobs in the weed industry). Much improved revenue from weed sales.

    Best of all there would be less of the alcohol related problems. A world of chilled-out potheads, and no drink. Yes, please.


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