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Bottle_of_Smoke · 13-12-2010 11:00AM

So within this non-story there's also another cable reguarding collusion and the murder of Pat Finucane

A cable said the former head of MI5 told US envoy Mitchell Reiss that her agency would turn over all the evidence it had on Mr Finucane's killing, provided any inquiry into the killing is conducted under the terms of a law passed in 2005.
Taoiseach Mr Ahern told Mr Reiss that the Irish government wanted the UK to provide evidence acknowledging its involvement in Mr Finucane's murder and wanted to know how high in the UK government collusion went.

Pat Finucane was shot dead in front of his family The murder of Mr Finucane, 39, by the UDA/UFF remains one of the most controversial of 30 years of violence.

Loyalist paramilitaries shot him 14 times as he sat eating a Sunday meal at home, wounding his wife in the process. The couple's three children witnessed the 1989 attack.

The killing was one of the most controversial of the 30 years of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, mainly because of the allegations of collusion between loyalist paramilitaries and members of the security forces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11980564

So effectively proves there was collusion at a high level for that incident. Otherwise MI5 wouldn't be insisting the inquiry's carried out under the terms of some law. Would have thought that would be more newsworthy than the print version of what Bertie publicly said a few years ago.

Captain Darling · 13-12-2010 12:19PM

Heard Adams on the radio this morning denying without equivocation that he had any knowledge of the robber.

Its hard to believe from anyone who was the political front of a private army with more then enough blood on their hands.

Murderers.

KeithAFC · 13-12-2010 12:28PM

Captain Darling wrote: »

Heard Adams on the radio this morning denying without equivocation that he had any knowledge of the robber.

Its hard to believe from anyone who was the political front of a private army with more then enough blood on their hands.

Murderers.

Gerry Adams wrote in long kesh prison he was a volunteer of the IRA. He said he was never asked to join the IRA. Does anyone seriously believe he was not in the IRA. :pac:

Captain Darling · 13-12-2010 12:39PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Gerry Adams wrote in long kesh prison he was a volunteer of the IRA. He said he was never asked to join the IRA. Does anyone seriously believe he was not in the IRA. :pac:

Gerry Adams doesnt believe he was in the IRA.:pac:

Einhard · 13-12-2010 02:20PM

Thrill wrote: »

WikiLeaks: Adams 'an IRA commander', ambassador told

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/wikileaks-adams-an-ira-commander-ambassador-told-485440.html

WikiLeaks: Sinn Fein Leaders Knew of Bank Heist

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025428-503543.html

Nodin wrote: »

Actually it says Bertie believed they knew, which is rather a different thing...

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

So effectively proves there was collusion at a high level for that incident. Otherwise MI5 wouldn't be insisting the inquiry's carried out under the terms of some law. Would have thought that would be more newsworthy than the print version of what Bertie publicly said a few years ago.

Nodin, I notice that you thanked BOS' post inferring British collusion in the murder of Pat Finucane, yet when it comes to Adam's membership of the IRA, you claim that there is no definitive evidence. You seem to lower the burden of proof according to your own particular biases.

Nodin · 13-12-2010 02:48PM

Einhard wrote: »

Nodin, I notice that you thanked BOS' post inferring British collusion in the murder of Pat Finucane, yet when it comes to Adam's membership of the IRA, you claim that there is no definitive evidence. You seem to lower the burden of proof according to your own particular biases.

The article itself says its Aherns opinion. The information regarding Finucane is wide ranging, and has been in the public arena for some time. Try reading before trying to get one over one people.

mikom · 13-12-2010 02:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

Aherns opinion

I'd sooner ask the farmyard hen her opinion.

Nodin · 13-12-2010 02:51PM

mikom wrote: »

I'd sooner ask the farmyard hen her opinion.

...but he can pick a good horse, apparently....

Einhard · 13-12-2010 03:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

The article itself says its Aherns opinion. The information regarding Finucane is wide ranging, and has been in the public arena for some time. Try reading before trying to get one over one people.

I did read your comments, and I wasn't trying to get one over on you. Nothing has been proved regarding the Pat Finucane murder, the same as no definitive proof has been offered for Adams' membership of the IRA. Yet you accept that collusion took place in the former, whilst toeing Adams' line on the latter.

Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the widespread belief that Gerry Adams was intimately involved in the IRA leadership did not arise merely because Bertie Ahern believed it so. The amount of indirect evidence and testimony from insiders is as compelling as for security forces collusion. It seems though that certain sections of the Republican community desire truth only when it is someone elses' falsehoods and mendacity that is exposed.

Nodin · 13-12-2010 03:16PM

Einhard wrote: »

I did read your comments, .

I was referring to the article. However I don't think you really read my comments either....

Einhard wrote: »

Nothing has been proved regarding the Pat Finucane murder.

From the Stevens Inquiry

4.6 I have uncovered enough evidence to lead me to believe that the murders of
Patrick Finucane and Brian Adam Lambert could have been prevented. I also
believe that the RUC investigation of Patrick Finucane’s murder should have
resulted in the early arrest and detection of his killers.
4.7 I conclude there was collusion in both murders and the circumstances
surrounding them. Collusion is evidenced in many ways. This ranges from the
wilful failure to keep records, the absence of accountability, the withholding of
intelligence and evidence, through to the extreme of agents being involved

in murder.

http://www.madden-finucane.com/patfinucane/archive/pat_finucane/2003-04-17_stevens_report.pdf

Einhard wrote: »

Yet you accept that collusion took place in the former, whilst toeing Adams' line on the latter. .

No, I just don't accept Bertie Aherns "opinion" that Adams knew of the NI robbery in advance as fact. Its fairly clear thats what I'm referring to from post 690.

Phony Scott · 13-12-2010 04:07PM

Probably the most shocking revelation yet from Wikileaks...This will change the world...:(

http://tinyurl.com/2vw9f2g

K-9 · 13-12-2010 04:12PM

Well it is hardly shocking stuff about the Northern Bank. It was widely speculated that they were aware of it at the time, McDowell was very vocal on it and it resulted in a hard line being taken with SF and recognition of the police boards. As for Adams being on the Army Council, it's only the usual toe the party line SF supporters that deny it or throw out the "no evidence line".

sponsoredwalk · 13-12-2010 04:52PM

How serious is this "rock solid evidence"? I can't find anything in the media
other than the same one liners stating this as fact & it seems to me that
the evidence of Adams being in the IRA is an off-hand comment in a
private memo about the Irish government having "rock solid evidence"?

Mr Kenny's cable referred to a meeting with a senior Irish government
official which focused on Mr Ahern's concerns about the peace process.

The ambassador recorded: "He said that the GOI (government of Ireland)
does have 'rock solid evidence' that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness
are members of the IRA military command and for that reason, the
Taoiseach is certain they would have known in advance of the robbery."
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/wikileaks-gerry-adams-denies-ira-and-bank-robbery-claims-2459019.html

I think this is merely overblown & unsubstantiable hype if they are basing
these accusations on conversations in private cables as opposed to the
"rock solid evidence" that the government actually has. Are they basing
this on the original documents or just the private conversation in the
cable?

13-12-2010 07:46PM

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Tech Guy Sligo · 13-12-2010 11:17PM

Bravo RTE, Bravo,

Fine coverage today six one news
Monday 13th Dec

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1086964

Skip to 8 minutes.

Apparenty these leaks are called the wikipedia leaks.

Shameful coverage of such important news.

Krieg · 13-12-2010 11:19PM

requested video not found

calling it Wikipedia leaks says it all really

parker kent · 13-12-2010 11:19PM

Wow a slip of the tongue. Lets go German-father crazy and cut his balls off.

biko · 13-12-2010 11:21PM

Not as bad as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xFxaVucmE

NaKacoR · 13-12-2010 11:21PM

parker kent wrote: »

Lets go German-father crazy and cut his balls off.

:pac::pac::pac::pac:Can we? C-c-c-can we really?

And now they've removed the video. ****.

Oh_Noes · 13-12-2010 11:22PM

parker kent wrote: »

Wow a slip of the tongue. Lets go German-father crazy and cut his balls off.

It's not a slip of the tongue. He sid it several times and "wikipedia documents" once. Bryan Dobson corrected him at the end.

I thought it said a lot about the professionalism of Tommy Gorman when I saw this on the news earlier. How can you take a reporter seriously when he obviously hasn't got a clue about what he's talking about?

TouchingVirus · 13-12-2010 11:23PM

Not a slip of the tongue because that's the third time I've heard them call them wikipedia leaks. All three on different days with different newscasters.

PeterIanStaker · 13-12-2010 11:23PM

Its RTE. What do you expect - quality analysis or something? They're too busy spin doctoring for their FF masters.

Son Of A Vidic · 13-12-2010 11:24PM

What else do you expect from these incompetent bast@rds in our state controlled media.

Spunge · 13-12-2010 11:25PM

So thats why that wikipedia guy is asking for money

Snakeblood · 13-12-2010 11:29PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

What else do you expect from these incompetent bast@rds in our state controlled media.

Gripping dramas about garda officers in the west of ireland?

PeterIanStaker · 13-12-2010 11:34PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

Gripping dramas about garda officers in the west of ireland?

and brillian soaps like Fair Sh!tty?

like when they do a storyline about underage drinking/insert "controversial" topic here, and then at the end " . . if you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this programme call this number . ."

Going to ring that number someday:
"Hello? Hi, I can't act either, I think I need help . . ."

13-12-2010 11:36PM

biko wrote: »

Not as bad as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xFxaVucmE

That just clicked with me there. I thought the other guy was calling Kenny a charlatan when he was saying Charlotte.

Superbus · 13-12-2010 11:40PM

biko wrote: »

Not as bad as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xFxaVucmE

That's really really bad.

I just vomited cringe out of my eyes.

13-12-2010 11:50PM

The drive time news played a clip of an interview with Bertie from the time that said basically the same thing.

This isn't new news.

DOC09UNAM · 13-12-2010 11:51PM

I agree, it really is exellent.

Wikileaks merge (Assange loses extradition appeal)

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