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  • #302
    espinolman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    I still think they damaged the planet's protective layer with the aerial nuclear tests in the early sixties , thats part of the reason they are doing it , out of desparation .


  • #303
    meglome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    espinolman wrote: »
    I still think they damaged the planet's protective layer with the aerial nuclear tests in the early sixties , thats part of the reason they are doing it , out of desparation .

    How would nuclear tests damage the planets protective layer?


  • #304
    thecommander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    espinolman wrote: »
    I still think they damaged the planet's protective layer with the aerial nuclear tests in the early sixties , thats part of the reason they are doing it , out of desparation .
    espinolman wrote: »
    Its the most logical explanation for chemtrails i have found so far , they want the planet , but it is too bright for them , so just cool and dim the planet , the native human population is stupid enough to do all the work for them , and they just have to sit back relax and watch the humans preparing the planet for their alien race to take over .

    Change of heart?


  • #305
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    theworkingman wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q
    not 1 scientific experiment in that trailer

    so no evidence was provided.


  • #306
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    I just came across this Australian site investigating Chemtrails- worth a look for anyone interested.

    http://www.bluenomore.com/

    There has been very few persistant contrails over Dublin lately. Has anyone noticed them elsewhere in the country? What could this be due to? less flights over Ireland? Less moisture in upper stratosphere? I only became aware of such contrails this year so cannot refer back to how last year but was there persistant contrails last winter or is it just a summertime phenomenon??

    Possibly recent changes in legislation regarding geoengineering?>>
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68737418&postcount=299


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  • #307
    espinolman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    The planes spraying chemtrails are holographic , my mouse is'nt working so i cant post the link , the wings are the only real part , the body of the planes are holographic .



    The holographic aeroplanes are shown in this video , but they are not really aeroplanes , some sort of ufo , its on utube :

    ufos , military industrial complex & the vatican pt i

    Are these ufo's spraying chemtrails over Ireland ?


  • #308
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    espinolman wrote: »
    The planes spraying chemtrails are holographic , my mouse is'nt working so i cant post the link , the wings are the only real part , the body of the planes are holographic .



    The holographic aeroplanes are shown in this video , but they are not really aeroplanes , some sort of ufo , its on utube :

    ufos , military industrial complex & the vatican pt i

    Are these ufo's spraying chemtrails over Ireland ?
    Originally Posted by espinolman viewpost.gif
    Its the most logical explanation for chemtrails i have found so far , they want the planet , but it is too bright for them , so just cool and dim the planet , the native human population is stupid enough to do all the work for them , and they just have to sit back relax and watch the humans preparing the planet for their alien race to take over .

    Between these two quotes you would want to have some extraordinary evidence to support these wild and quite frankly in my opinion bat**** insane statements.
    This is gonna be one hell of a youtube video you post


  • #309
    chebonaparte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    i dont know about all them outlandish theories but for several months now ive seen chemtrails over gorey wexford.

    people go see difference between a contrail and a chemtrail before commenting.

    contrails are normal water vapour from jetstreams that disperse after a plane flies by.

    chemtrails linger much longer and disperse n form clouds.

    i dont know what they are spraying or why or what its doing but i see a concerted flyover operation with several planes many times now and its getting more regular and i notice alot people getting colds flus sinus problems at same time these chemtrails are visible.

    there was a weird smell metal in the sky lasntight.

    whatevers going on why would any company need to fly jets in kriss cross fashion and parallel ? that aint the route of any normal airliners or airport routes.

    i took pics n vid on phone last month they used a bi-plane to scout or survey the job in lower sky and jumbojets seemed higher sparaying streams of chemtrails that later formed clouds within 30 mins... there would have been clear blue skies but for the chemtrails formed clouds that day months back..


    earlier today i noticed the trails and my sinuses acting up.

    anyone no what the hecks going on above wexford skies? and why?


  • #310
    Zombienosh
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    Loads of trails today, At some points over 10 in the sky at the same time.


  • #311
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Zombienosh wrote: »
    Loads of trails today, At some points over 10 in the sky at the same time.

    I took some pics in Dub today if anyone cares to offer a theory on this mess? why so many planes? why the crisscrossing?

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  • #312
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    There's something called the Appleman Chart (developed by NASA) that can be used to predict the formation and persistence of contrails by taking into account the current atmospheric sounding observations for a given region.. the closest stations to us would be Valentia (03953) & Castor Bay (03918).. the observational data is updated twice daily.

    I'm not great at plotting graphs so if anyone else wants to give it a go.. =p


  • #313
    GarlicBread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭GarlicBread


    Living nearby to the air flight path in cork city, i can categorically state that the chemtrailing planes do not ever land at the airport nor do they even fly by it at all, not ever. They are US or UN planes and most likely land in the UK or somwhere on the mainland europe.


  • #314
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    joebucks wrote: »
    I took some pics in Dub today if anyone cares to offer a theory on this mess? why so many planes? why the crisscrossing?

    Those chemtrails are definitely evidence of satanism.


  • #315
    seensensee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 386 ✭✭seensensee


    It's way over our heads lads, probably best just to ignore and forget about it like everyone else.:)


  • #316
    GarlicBread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭GarlicBread


    seensensee wrote: »
    It's way over our heads lads, probably best just to ignore and forget about it like everyone else.:)

    Sad, but true.

    You would think that since so many people are aware of it they would at least have an unofficial disclosure of the reason why they are doing it. Just to put peoples minds at rest.

    The only reason for them not telling is obviously because they know the public reaction would be one of shock/horror.


  • #317
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    GarlicBread wrote: »
    Sad, but true.

    You would think that since so many people are aware of it they would at least have an unofficial disclosure of the reason why they are doing it. Just to put peoples minds at rest.

    The only reason for them not telling is obviously because they know the public reaction would be one of shock/horror.

    It's no secret that contrails have a major effect on regional weather. That's what is happening here (if anything). Calling them chemtrails puts people of the idea that anything questionable is happening because it implies that there is some insidious plan behind it. Maybe there is a plan.. to help cool the planet or whatever.. but do you really think it's anything more than that?


  • #318
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    GarlicBread wrote: »


    The only reason for them not telling is obviously because they know the public reaction would be one of shock/horror.

    OR (and heres a wild thought) there is nothing sinister about whats going on and its just contrails:eek:


  • #319
    Lazare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,482 ✭✭✭Lazare


    photo11s.jpg

    f*cked up imo


  • #320
    seensensee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 386 ✭✭seensensee


    GarlicBread wrote: »
    Sad, but true.

    You would think that since so many people are aware of it they would at least have an unofficial disclosure of the reason why they are doing it. Just to put peoples minds at rest.

    The only reason for them not telling is obviously because they know the public reaction would be one of shock/horror.

    But there have been many official disclosures on the internet and television. The information is out there and available to those who are interested.
    I live on a planet where thousands of nuclear weapons are on standby for launch given the circumstances, theoretically all life could end in an instant but you don't see people panicking, no they just take it in their stride. a bit like sky trails.
    Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Maybe it is maybe it's not. Like I said... Waaaaay over our heads.

    Peace.


  • #321
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    here's a vid of today's action

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAwoRzbfaJY


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  • #322
    uprising2
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    I walked out the door today and noticed a fair few trails in the sky in the general direction of the pheonix park, didn't take too much notice of it to be honest and couldn't see a whole lot of sky from where I was.

    It's just as well good oul monsanto are developing "Aluminium Resistant Crop's"
    Chemtrails and Monsanto’s New Aluminum Resistance Gene – Coincidence?
    A method is disclosed for reducing atmospheric warming due to the greenhouse effect resulting from a greenhouse gases layer. The method comprises the step of seeding the greenhouse gas layer with a quantity of tiny particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity or reflectivity, in that said materials have high emissivities in the visible and far infrared wavelength regions and low emissivity in the near infrared wavelength region. Such materials can include the class of materials known as Welsbach materials. The oxides of metal, e.g., aluminum oxide, are also suitable for the purpose. The greenhouse gases layer typically extends between about seven and thirteen kilometers above the earth's surface. The seeding of the stratosphere occurs within this layer. The particles suspended in the stratosphere as a result of the seeding provide a mechanism for converting the blackbody radiation emitted by the earth at near infrared wavelengths into radiation in the visible and far infrared wavelength so that this heat energy may be reradiated out into space, thereby reducing the global warming due to the greenhouse effect.


    U.S. Patent #5,003,186


  • #323
    RoboClam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    uprising2 wrote: »
    I walked out the door today and noticed a fair few trails in the sky in the general direction of the pheonix park, didn't take too much notice of it to be honest and couldn't see a whole lot of sky from where I was.

    It's just as well good oul monsanto are developing "Aluminium Resistant Crop's"
    Chemtrails and Monsanto’s New Aluminum Resistance Gene – Coincidence?


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    U.S. Patent #5,003,186
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    Rather than repeating myself, here's a post i made in this very thread about aluminium in soils and why monsanto would want an aluminium resistance gene.

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67786901&postcount=124


  • #324
    uprising2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    RoboClam wrote: »
    Rather than repeating myself, here's a post i made in this very thread about aluminium in soils and why monsanto would want an aluminium resistance gene.

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67786901&postcount=124

    Without repeating myself, here's a patent I linked to in this very thread, actually only one post ago and I made the word's "aluminum oxide" bigger in the quote to show why monsanto would want an aluminium resistance gene.

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    [SIZE=+1]Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming [/SIZE]

    United States Patent 5003186


    3. The method of claim 1 wherein said material comprises aluminum oxide.
    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5003186.html

    EDIT:

    This is actually a two blade dagger, if crops are damaged in any way because of high aluminium count, monsanto comes to save the day with their wonderful frankenstein crop, soon they own the town, and the next, and the next up wind.
    They're all part of the same cabaal, the earth is their playground.


  • #325
    RoboClam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Without repeating myself, here's a patent I linked to in this very thread, actually only one post ago and I made the word's "aluminum oxide" bigger in the quote to show why monsanto would want an aluminium resistance gene.

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    [SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming [/SIZE]

    United States Patent 5003186


    3. The method of claim 1 wherein said material comprises aluminum oxide.
    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5003186.html

    Aluminium oxide was only given as an example in your patent from 1991 and is not an intrinsic part of the patent itself. Just because a patent exists which uses aluminium oxide as an example does not mean that this is the reason that "monsanto would want an aluminium resistance gene".

    Many patents amount to nothing. I'd imagine that a publicly available document such as this would also be unwise if such a nefarious plot was indeed planned.

    If you would read the research papers which I linked, you would see that aluminium is ubiquitous in soils, but is more prevalent in certain areas. In such areas, plant growth in inhibited. It would stand to reason that this is the reason that Monsanto wants to create resistance. Well, I would think that this would be better evidence than a patent which is quite old at this point.

    I appreciate your bolding of certain words.


  • #326
    uprising2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    RoboClam wrote: »
    Aluminium oxide was only given as an example in your patent from 1991 and is not an intrinsic part of the patent itself. Just because a patent exists which uses aluminium oxide as an example does not mean that this is the reason that "monsanto would want an aluminium resistance gene".

    Many patents amount to nothing. I'd imagine that a publicly available document such as this would also be unwise if such a nefarious plot was indeed planned.

    Here's a excerpt from the "Description/Background of the invention" section of the ancient 1991 patent, I've bolded the important bit for your viewing pleasure:
    One proposed solution to the problem of global warming involves the seeding of the atmosphere with metallic particles. One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude.

    Next aluminium oxide is one of two materials mentioned, the other is thorium oxide
    Thorium dioxide (ThO2), also called thorium(IV) oxide is a white, crystalline powder. It was formerly known as thoria or thorina. It is produced mainly as a by-product of lanthanide and uranium production.
    The compound is radioactive due to the radioactivity of thorium. Thorium dioxide can be used as a nuclear fuel
    11. The method of claim 10 wherein said material comprises one or more of the oxides of metals.

    12. The method of claim 10 wherein said material comprises aluminum oxide.

    13. The method of claim 10 wherein said material is thorium oxide.

    This patent was granted to Hughes Aircraft Company under the umbrella of GM Hughes Electronics, until GM sold its assets to Raytheon in 1997.

    Raytheon is a major American defense contractor and industrial corporation with core manufacturing concentrations in defense systems and defense and commercial electronics.
    It was previously involved in corporate and special-mission aircraft until early 2007.

    Maybe you should look into Project Cloverleaf also.

    There's plenty of evidence this patent hasn't amounted to nothing.


  • #327
    chebonaparte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    well whatever they (the pilots and sponsors) think they're doing i woke about 10 am to lovely glaring sun this very morning and it would be beautiful clear skies, but instead i see lots of chemtrails 6-10 lines all parallel as wide as eye can see across horizon and i see jumbo-jet stream across making more as i speak.

    civilian or airline planes don not fly in these patterns and they are not headed to any airports i know of. for whatever reason they kriss kross.

    if its military exercise why leave chemtrails?

    if they fly over irish airspace whoever it is has to get government approval.

    why havent the govt or officials told the public whats going on .

    if its for climate or crops or whatever just tell us . why the secrecy


  • #328
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    chebonaparte wrote: »
    well whatever they (the pilots and sponsors) think they're doing i woke about 10 am to lovely glaring sun this very morning and it would be beautiful clear skies, but instead i see lots of chemtrails 6-10 lines all parallel as wide as eye can see across horizon and i see jumbo-jet stream across making more as i speak.

    civilian or airline planes don not fly in these patterns and they are not headed to any airports i know of. for whatever reason they kriss kross.

    if its military exercise why leave chemtrails?

    if they fly over irish airspace whoever it is has to get government approval.

    why havent the govt or officials told the public whats going on .

    if its for climate or crops or whatever just tell us . why the secrecy
    Fascinating,where can i hear you lecture Dr Chebonaparte.Your clearly an expert.

    Again no explaination is gonna be good for people who are adamant that these are chemtrails.There is no solid evidence linking health problems to these contrails.

    People are saying that alot of there friends have colds now since these have appeared.Getting a cold in winter eh,case solved as far as some people are concerned.
    I love the outrage from people who will admit they havent got the foggiest idea what they are or what there doing to the enviroment.


  • #329
    chebonaparte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    i was waiting for that type ignorant jibe to come. thats lazy to say its winter colds.

    fact is people get these health problem in height of summer n hot countries too whenever , wherever the chem-trails are over sky.

    im questioning reasoning debate. i'm curious.
    i believe in science and no i don't believe in aliens nor am i a luny which ignorants like you try to claim in order to label and stifle debate.

    i never claimed to be an expert.

    im open minded and concerned is all.

    i didnt say i agree with any of the outlandish theories.


    "There is no solid evidence linking health problems to these contrails" ?

    show me some sufficient explanation then.

    just because they havent done research dont mean it aint there. it has not been researched.

    one could argue show me solid evidence that proves its not.

    point is theres so many different ones from officials and governments they contradict each others.

    the fact the govts dont release the truth on whatever they are doing is what causes the vacuum that people jump to wild conclusions.


  • #330
    [Deleted User]
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    chebonaparte wrote: »
    one could argue show me solid evidence that proves its not.
    No, one can't. You can't prove a negative like that. And the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

    For example can you prove unicorns don't exist?


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  • #331
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    chebonaparte wrote: »
    i was waiting for that type ignorant jibe to come. thats lazy to say its winter colds.

    fact is people get these health problem in height of summer n hot countries too whenever , wherever the chem-trails are over sky.

    im questioning reasoning debate. i'm curious.
    i believe in science and no i don't believe in aliens nor am i a luny which ignorants like you try to claim in order to label and stifle debate.

    i never claimed to be an expert.

    im open minded and concerned is all.

    i didnt say i agree with any of the outlandish theories.


    "There is no solid evidence linking health problems to these contrails" ?

    show me some sufficient explanation then.

    just because they havent done research dont mean it aint there. it has not been researched.

    one could argue show me solid evidence that proves its not.

    point is theres so many different ones from officials and governments they contradict each others.

    the fact the govts dont release the truth on whatever they are doing is what causes the vacuum that people jump to wild conclusions.

    As well you know the burden of proof is on the people who make the claims.Goverment hasnt released the proof to satisfy your theory is what you should have said.There might be nothing to explain.

    Also as im sure people are well aware by now cold weather doesnt cause a cold,hence people get them in the middle of the summer.Those connections are signs of paranoia.
    http://coldflu.about.com/od/cold/f/coldandweather.htm

    You being a believer in science should lead you to believe that hard facts are required not observed coincidences regarding health problems and the appearance of these contrails.
    If people are gonna look at the sick you also have to look at the healthy people who are around when these contrails appear.the condition of a few does not represent the whole group.


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