Sensible Budget Suggestions

ebbsy · 05-12-2010 10:39PM

syngindub wrote: »

too right man. when are we getting our bleedin cheese !!

It will come with the iodine tablets.

Son Of A Vidic · 05-12-2010 10:40PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

To be replaced with Ryanair travel vouchers.

Feck no, still way to extravagant!

Mark200 · 05-12-2010 10:41PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

But it is a deterrent.

I don't agree with that.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

But haven't their parents been paying tax the past 17/18 years to ensure a free education for their children?

You can't choose what your taxes go towards.

jimthemental · 05-12-2010 10:41PM

Burn Cowen's carcass in Shannonbridge to generate fuel and save on fossil fuel costs.

partyatmygaff · 05-12-2010 10:42PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Why should anyone who played no part whatsoever in this mess have to pay? But we do. Whats the alternative?

Cuts that affect all generations or at least those culpable for the recession.

Its not about penalising students, its about making them pay for an education they received. Also, this wouldn't prevent people going to college who at the time of starting cannot afford the fees

Haven't their parents been paying tax the past 17/18 years? Surely that would have accounted for something.

What about people who dont go to college,people that go straight from school to work. Is it fair that their taxes contribute to educating students so that those students can then get better paying jobs when they graduate?

I don't see why not. Everyone is given equal opportunity to continue on to higher education. They chose not to avail of what was available to them. It's their decision and their loss.

Yes Iv graduated already, but wouldnt have a problem with a scheme like this

And would you have a problem if this tax was applied retrospectively? That's the only fair way to introduce a tax like this.

Ronin247 · 05-12-2010 10:43PM

Jim your Mental

partyatmygaff · 05-12-2010 10:46PM

Mark200 wrote: »

I don't agree with that.

So paying a higher tax rate for five or so years after you graduate isn't a deterrent? You can spend four/five years in university and then five or so years taxed to oblivion or you can spend those ten or so years working at a regular tax rate. It may be poor judgement but many people will see that as a deterrent.

You can't choose what your taxes go towards.

And who said otherwise?

bonzodog2 · 05-12-2010 10:49PM

Ex-ministers NOT to get a pension for both jobs, and NOT to get a minister pension while they are still a TD.

tommyhaas · 05-12-2010 10:53PM

Im not saying that nothing eles should be cut, just that I believe this should be introduced.

Yes everyone has the opportunity to go to college, but in reality many cant support themselves through college. Im not sying this is a fault of the system, just a fact of life

Yea so students parents have being paying tax for for the previous 17/18 years, the students should still have to pay for the service they're getting. My parents have being paying taxes for years,should that exempt me from car tax?

And no I would have no problem if it were introduced retrospectively. I earn a decent wage and believe it would be fair to contribute. Infact it would be easier then if I had to pay the registration fees back then that are being charged now.

What Im suggesting is for the cost to be paid back over a number of years, with a charge of 3/4k per year in college. It could be deducted from salaries at a rate of 5% or something similar

Stinicker · 05-12-2010 10:53PM

My suggestions:

Privatise the Health Service, yet continue Universal Health Care, the savings of delivering it by the private sector would be in the billions.

Don't lower the minimum wage, instead scrap the Work Placement programmes that are giving employers free slave workers for the same money as the dole.

Introduce a Worker Subsidy Programme where the state would pay a maximum of €100 a week subsidy to employers in genuine financial difficulty to retain their workers. It costs half the dole for every worker and yet the Worker is still in employment, working, setting an example for his kids and being able to spend more money in the economy which in the long run will see the government make back alot of its investment in wage subsidy.

Take the hatchet to the public service and set a maximum wage ceiling of €80,000 for any single employee in state employment, I don't care if they are attorney general or senior barrister etc. State employees are far too highly paid and should have massive pay cuts, their job security alone is worth half their salary and cut them to the bone while keeping the lower drones on.

Abolish all the county councils and launch 4 provincial authoritys abolishing the parochial parish pump of gombeen local council politics eg. The Healy Rae's. County Councillers are not needed and all council services to be outsourced and the current employees to transfer or lose their jobs. County Councils are mainly mismanaged and very corrupt, the disgraceful attempt they make at road works and maintenance being typical all this should be done by the private sector.

Sauve · 05-12-2010 10:56PM

I think the HSE are nudging towards this already, but I'd vote for cutting the LTI scheme.
There are a list of Long Term Illnesses that come under this free scheme -

Acute Leukaemia
Mental handicap
Cerebral Palsy
Mental Illness (in a person under 16)
Cystic Fibrosis
Multiple Sclerosis
Diabetes Insipidus
Muscular Dystrophies
Diabetes Mellitus
Parkinsonism
Epilepsy
Phenylketonuria
Haemophilia
Spina Bifida
Hydrocephalus
Conditions arising from the use of Thalidomide

This scheme provides free medication for people to treat any of these conditions, and is not means tested.

I think it should be scrapped altogether. With a lot of these conditions, the sufferer would be entitled to a medical card, due to being unable to work, but many of them have very little effect on a persons' ability to work, i.e. diabetes.
Also, what about all of the other long term conditions that aren't covered under this scheme? Surely the HSE is being biased towards this small group of people?

Mark200 · 05-12-2010 10:59PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

So paying a higher tax rate for five or so years after you graduate isn't a deterrent? You can spend four/five years in university and then five or so years taxed to oblivion or you can spend those ten or so years working at a regular tax rate. It may be poor judgement but many people will see that as a deterrent.

Well assuming that any sensible graduate tax would only come into effect when a graduate is earning a modest wage, then I think students would not see having to pay a small tax as a deterrent seeing as their degree will more than likely be the reason why they are earning the modest wage in the first place. If they are poor, or not doing very well, after graduation then they wouldn't have to pay the tax.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

And who said otherwise?

Well the whole "my taxes paid for this" argument is worn out. The fact is that you simply can not use that argument while the Government is running a deficit. If you use that argument for every service you avail of then you'll have to eventually run into something that, actually, was paid for by international loans and not your taxes.

So your taxes paid for your child's education? Fine, lets cut your healthcare. Oh, your taxes paid for that too? Fine, lets cut the funds for infrastructure. Oh, you paid for that too huh? And so on

Oranage2 · 05-12-2010 10:59PM

We should reduce the pension to nothing and let the old people die - they contrabute nothing to the economy besides constantly moaning and being a death trap in a car

Yakult · 05-12-2010 11:03PM

Stop given knackers free houses and all kinds of benifits. NONE of them work or contribute to society. Yet in council estates they have really nice houses with massive gates, fountains, 10 reg cars, they eat chipper food every day and then you have your average joe next door working and struggling to put food on the table..

No wonder they arent bother doing anything, they get everything handed to them ffs.

Sauve · 05-12-2010 11:03PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

We should reduce the pension to nothing and let the old people die - they contrabute nothing to the economy besides constantly moaning and being a death trap in a car

So you're not planning on ever getting old, no?

tommyhaas · 05-12-2010 11:05PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Take the hatchet to the public service and set a maximum wage ceiling of €80,000 for any single employee in state employment, I don't care if they are attorney general or senior barrister etc. State employees are far too highly paid and should have massive pay cuts, their job security alone is worth half their salary and cut them to the bone while keeping the lower drones on.

I agree with alot of what your saying, but if wages in the public sector dont compete with those in the private sector you wont be able to attract people into the public sector. You'l end up with Lionel Hutz as Attorney General

tommyhaas · 05-12-2010 11:07PM

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Stop given knackers free houses and all kinds of benifits. NONE of them work or contribute to society. Yet in council estates they have really nice houses with massive gates, fountains, 10 reg cars, they eat chipper food every day and then you have your average joe next door working and struggling to put food on the table..

No wonder they arent bother doing anything, they get everything handed to them ffs.

Hey dont hate the player, hate the game

Up de Barrs · 05-12-2010 11:08PM

TDs and Ministers to only get pensions when they are 65 not when they're thrown out of the Dail.
Rent allowance to be seriously overhauled, it drives up rents for low income working people and acts as a disincentive for the unemployed to take up a job offer.

Yakult · 05-12-2010 11:09PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Hey dont hate the player, hate the game

Agreed! I dont hate them either, if anything fair play to them for raping the system to their advantage. Just shows what a farce this country is.

Stinicker · 05-12-2010 11:44PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I agree with alot of what your saying, but if wages in the public sector dont compete with those in the private sector you wont be able to attract people into the public sector. You'l end up with Lionel Hutz as Attorney General

The public sector is an attraction in itself and there should a tradeoff in wages for the job security the public sector provides over the private sector already.

The Public sector already had plenty Lionel Hutz'es working for it and to me it appeared to be a dumping ground for the underperforming and inefficent workers that simply could not hack it while working in the private sector.

I think there should be price regulation in the legal sector to increase competition and blow open what is a cozy cartel run by the worst sort of rip-off merchants going. Any sort of legal dealings with a solicitor can cost thousands and even simple things like transfer of house and land ownership can cost up to €10k by these legal thieves.

johnmcdnl · 05-12-2010 11:52PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

It would give students incentives to work hard in college and not use college as an option for p!ssing 4 years away

I'm in college now and I wouldn't like to say that I'm pissing 4 years away as you say...

perhaps you pissed your 4 years away when you were in college but because that's all behind you now lets just nail the current generation of college students to pay for the mistakes made when we were still hiding away in fields to sneak a few cans... we didn't make the mess - the older generation did - tax the ****e outta them - not us :mad: it's not our mess but like usual we're the easy target to tax because we have next to no real proper representation like the rest of the country - what can we do sur - go on strike :rolleyes:

It's the people living in the multiple homes and who own 100 houses around the country that made this mess - make them pay for it... not me or the other people who played next to no role in making the mess...

It's not old Mrs Smyth who spent the Celtic Tiger going to mass and buying her basket of groceries that made the mess so why should she have to take cuts to her medical card either...

and as much as I like to blame it on the scumbags taking legal cases for nothing - that didn't loose us 80 fecking billion euro...

we all know who made the mess - but that isn't going to matter because they've all got their friends in high places so it's me and you that's going to pay at the end of the day...

so my offering to what we could tax to make revenue that might be taken seriously - (no it's not going to be tax the absolute ****e outta people who own multiple properties because that's never gonna be taken seriously) but say.... hmmm hmmm 5c extra on every bag of tayto sold - should make a couple of million and maybe just for the hell of it a 50 euro compulsory donation from every single person in ireland for the next couple of years which after around 500 years will pay off this debt..

why don't we just stop trying to think of things to tax in case the government actually go and read this thread and use that half of them...
we're going to see enough tax increases when this budget is released without giving them more ideas

05-12-2010 11:58PM

A tax on not wearing puffy pants.

Ali Babba · 06-12-2010 12:00AM

Scrap NAMA, forget about the bad banks and set up new ones. Let the bond holders take a hit, means test social welfare, instead of jail sentences bring in community service or back to jail if they don't work. Make prisons living hell that nobody would ever want to go back there again. Bring back capital punishment. Any criminal who steals from someone else should be made pay back whatever they stole, either take their dole money or seize their assets, scrap free legal aid. Limit the number of TDs and let them work for a fraction of what they're getting now and all expenses should have reciepts. All jobs, public and private sector, should be production related and payed accordingly, no production, no wages.

Ali Babba · 06-12-2010 12:03AM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

5c extra on every bag of tayto sold - should make a couple of million and

Leave Taytos out of it ffs, it's about the only luxury some of us will be able to afford.:mad:

tommyhaas · 06-12-2010 12:05AM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

perhaps you pissed your 4 years away when you were in college but because that's all behind you now lets just nail the current generation of college students to pay for the mistakes made when we were still hiding away in fields to sneak a few cans... we didn't make the mess - the older generation did - tax the ****e outta them - not us :mad: it's not our mess but like usual we're the easy target to tax because we have next to no real proper representation like the rest of the country - what can we do sur - go on strike :rolleyes:

Its not about nailing the current generation as you're saying, its about the current generation paying their own way in a country that cant really afford to be paying it for them. A rate of say 5% ''graduates tax'' isint taxing you into oblivion. Someone on €3000/mth would be paying back €150/mth.

Ali Babba · 06-12-2010 12:13AM

What about turning the country into a tax free state like the channel islands or the Bahamas? Or a gambling place like Las Vegas?

starbelgrade · 06-12-2010 12:25AM

Ali Babba wrote: »

Bring back capital punishment.

Hardly a money saving option.

Oranage2 · 06-12-2010 12:26AM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

I'm in college now and I wouldn't like to say that I'm pissing 4 years away as you say...

perhaps you pissed your 4 years away when you were in college but because that's all behind you now lets just nail the current generation of college students to pay for the mistakes made when we were still hiding away in fields to sneak a few cans... we didn't make the mess - the older generation did - tax the ****e outta them - not us :mad: it's not our mess but like usual we're the easy target to tax because we have next to no real proper representation like the rest of the country - what can we do sur - go on strike :rolleyes:

It's the people living in the multiple homes and who own 100 houses around the country that made this mess - make them pay for it... not me or the other people who played next to no role in making the mess...

It's not old Mrs Smyth who spent the Celtic Tiger going to mass and buying her basket of groceries that made the mess so why should she have to take cuts to her medical card either...

and as much as I like to blame it on the scumbags taking legal cases for nothing - that didn't loose us 80 fecking billion euro...

we all know who made the mess - but that isn't going to matter because they've all got their friends in high places so it's me and you that's going to pay at the end of the day...

so my offering to what we could tax to make revenue that might be taken seriously - (no it's not going to be tax the absolute ****e outta people who own multiple properties because that's never gonna be taken seriously) but say.... hmmm hmmm 5c extra on every bag of tayto sold - should make a couple of million and maybe just for the hell of it a 50 euro compulsory donation from every single person in ireland for the next couple of years which after around 500 years will pay off this debt..

why don't we just stop trying to think of things to tax in case the government actually go and read this thread and use that half of them...
we're going to see enough tax increases when this budget is released without giving them more ideas

None of us made this mess but the reality we all have to pay for it. Also I am currently a student and I've worked since I was 18 (havent got rich rich parents so have too) and i wouldnt mind paying myself through college because currently I've got 4 years of college fees paid for me by the tax payer but when i graduate I'll be paying other peoples college fees for the rest of my life. And when you graduate you'll relise the same thing

06-12-2010 12:31AM

Tine for the government to grow a pair and issue a "debt free currency" like the greenback that was issued in the US in the 1870s, after all what is money! Think about it! it's a proxy for barter!

By using debt free money for day to day transactions the government will not need to have such high taxes to pay the banksters for the "lend" of the money in the first place.

Unfortunately it's probably too late for that now as the IMF have their claws into the heart of our economy.

Plan B, Reduce public sector wages to match the equivilant wages in the provate sector, intorduce a super tax on all senior staff tho earn 10x the wages of the lowest paid in the organisation of 99% for example if the lowest paid is earning €15k PA then the top people will be effectivly limited to €150k PA.

Instead of taxing with one hand and paying benefits with the other, combine the two services; for example child benefit is added to the monthly wages after tax and paid by the employer, in almost all cases this just means less deductions.

tatabubbly · 06-12-2010 12:31AM

Sauvignon82 wrote: »

I think the HSE are nudging towards this already, but I'd vote for cutting the LTI scheme.
There are a list of Long Term Illnesses that come under this free scheme -
Acute Leukaemia

Mental handicap

Cerebral Palsy

Mental Illness (in a person under 16)

Cystic Fibrosis

Multiple Sclerosis

Diabetes Insipidus

Muscular Dystrophies

Diabetes Mellitus

Parkinsonism

Epilepsy

Phenylketonuria

Haemophilia

Spina Bifida

Hydrocephalus

Conditions arising from the use of Thalidomide

This scheme provides free medication for people to treat any of these conditions, and is not means tested.

I think it should be scrapped altogether. With a lot of these conditions, the sufferer would be entitled to a medical card, due to being unable to work, but many of them have very little effect on a persons' ability to work, i.e. diabetes.
Also, what about all of the other long term conditions that aren't covered under this scheme? Surely the HSE is being biased towards this small group of people?

I think the whole point of getting the LTI medication free is to keep these people ALIVE...... For god sake... it's total unreasonable esp. if you don't know the financial cost of having to buy these medications. It would lead to total piss taking from the pharmaceutical companies who would take total advantage of these sick people..

Also, on another note, what about us poor smucks who actually paid for our education? Me, i'm forking out €4500 this year for a masters, should I be taxed on this afterwards for my working career? Esp as i pay at least €50 each week on transport to college/photocopying etc????

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