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Wikileaks merge (Assange loses extradition appeal)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Wibbs wrote: »
    He does make one interesting point though; considering the major back and forth diplomatic stuff between the US and Israel it is a little surprising by it's absence in these leaks.

    They haven't released those yet. We're only a few hundred in out of 250,000.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Now this could be interesting
    The British Government secretly promised to limit the scope of the Iraq war inquiry to protect US interests, leaked diplomatic cables reveal. The dispatch, seen by The Times and published on the Wikileaks website this afternoon, threatens to undermine the Chilcot Inquiry, which was set up last June by Gordon Brown to identify lessons learnt from the Iraq conflict
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/
    10. (S/NF) Day also promised that the UK had "put measures in place to protect your interests" during the UK inquiry into the causes of the Iraq war. He noted that Iraq seems no longer to be a major issue in the U.S., but he said it would become a big issue -- a "feeding frenzy" -- in the UK "when the inquiry takes off."
    http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/09/09LONDON2198.html

    Might just refer to private hearings, might mean something far more subversive...


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So apparently Wikileaks is under attack again.

    It was timing out for me, but seems OK now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Is it an attack or is it just a million people trying to visit the site?

    Nobody launched a DDoS on boards.ie when Gerry Ryan died.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Nodin wrote: »
    They haven't released those yet. We're only a few hundred in out of 250,000.

    Maybe that's what the DDOS attack was about :D.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Brian


    Overheal wrote: »
    Is it an attack or is it just a million people trying to visit the site?

    Nobody launched a DDoS on boards.ie when Gerry Ryan died.

    http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/9609091915718656


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/nov/30/interpol-wanted-notice-julian-assange

    Arrest warrant issued for wikileaks founder
    The WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, is tonight facing growing legal problems around the world, with the US announcing that it was investigating whether he had violated its espionage laws.

    Assange's details were also added to Interpol's worldwide wanted list. Dated 30 November, the entry reads: "sex crimes" and says the warrant has been issued by the international public prosecution office in Gothenburg, Sweden. "If you have any information contact your national or local police." It reads: "Wanted: Assange, Julian Paul," and gives his birthplace as Townsville, Australia.

    Friends said earlier that Assange was in a buoyant mood, however, despite the palpable fury emanating from Washington over the decision by WikiLeaks to start publishing more than a quarter of a million mainly classified US cables. He was said to be at a secret location somewhere outside London, along with fellow hackers and WikiLeaks enthusiasts.

    In contrast to previous WikiLeaks releases, Assange has, on this occasion, kept a relatively low profile. His attempt to give an interview to Sky News via Skype was thwarted today by a faulty internet connection.

    Assange's reluctance to emerge in public is understandable. It comes amid a rapid narrowing of his options. Several countries are currently either taking – or actively considering – aggressive legal moves against him. This lengthening list includes Sweden, Australia and now the US – but so far as can be made out, not Britain.

    The US attorney general, Eric Holder, announced yesterday that the justice department and Pentagon are conducting "an active, ongoing criminal investigation" into the latest Assange-facilitated leak under Washington's Espionage Act.

    It was not immediately clear whether Holder was referring to Bradley Manning, the dissident US private suspected of being the original source of the leak, or Assange. The inquiry by US federal authorities is made tricky by Assange's citizenship – he is Australian – and the antediluvian nature of the law's pre-internet-era 1917 statutes.

    According to the Washington Post, no charges against anyone from WikiLeaks are imminent. But asked how the US could prosecute Assange, a non-US citizen, Holder struck an ominous note. "Let me be clear. This is not sabre-rattling," he said, vowing to swiftly "close the gaps" in current US legislation.

    But Assange's most pressing headache is Sweden. Swedish prosecutors have issued an international and European arrest warrant (EAW) for him in connection with rape allegations, and the warrant has been upheld by a Swedish appeal court.

    Assange strongly denies any wrongdoing but admits having unprotected but consensual encounters with two women during a visit to Sweden in August.

    Mark Stephens, his London-based lawyer, has described the allegations as "false and without basis", adding that they amount to persecution as part of a cynical smear campaign.

    Nonetheless, the Swedes appear determined to force Assange back to Sweden for questioning. Stockholm's director of public prosecutions, Marianne Ny, said last month: "So far, we have not been able to meet with him to accomplish the interrogation."

    Assange contests this too. But if he declines to return to Sweden voluntarily, and the UK decides to enforce Sweden's arrest warrant, things may get tricky. Some friends believe Assange's best strategy is not to go to ground but to get on a plane to Sweden and face down his accusers.

    Stephens, moreover, says that the Swedish attempts to extradite Assange have no legal force. So far he has not been charged, Stephens says – an essential precondition for a valid European arrest warrant.

    Under the EAW scheme, which allows for fast-tracked extradition between EU member states, a warrant must indicate a formal charge in order to be validated, and must be served on the person accused.

    "Julian Assange has never been charged by Swedish prosecutors. He is formally wanted as a witness," Stephens told the Guardian today.

    "All we have is an English translation of what's being reported in the media. The Swedish authorities have not met their obligations under domestic and European law to communicate the nature of the allegations against him in a language that he understands, and the evidence against him."

    Assange's legal team are challenging the warrant in Sweden's supreme court. They are optimistic: a previous appeal was partially successful in limiting the grounds on which the warrant was issued.

    Today a spokesman for Britain's Serious Organised Crime Agency, which is responsible for validating extradition requests, would not confirm or deny receipt of a European arrest warrant for Assange's extradition.

    Assange has previously suggested he might find sanctuary in Switzerland. More promising perhaps is Ecuador, whose leftist government unexpectedly offered him asylum on Monday.

    "We are ready to give him residence in Ecuador, with no problems and no conditions," Ecuador's foreign minister, Kintto Lucas, said.

    At the very least, Ecuador could offer Assange a new passport. He might need one. Yesterday Australia's attorney general, Robert McClelland, said Australian police were also investigating whether any Australian laws had been broken by the latest WikiLeaks release.

    In reality, Assange's predicament may not be as hopeless as it seems. The US would be hard pressed to make charges against him stick, experts suggest.

    "There have been so few cases under the Espionage Act, you can put them on one hand," said David Banisar, senior legal counsel for the campaigning group Article 19 and an expert on free speech in the US. "There is the practical problem that most of the information published by WikiLeaks wasn't secret. Then there is the debate about whether the documents were properly classified – there are detailed rules in the US about what can and cannot be classified."

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Baza210 wrote: »
    Which has no context or relativity: for example how much bandwidth does the google homepage handle per second? What has been it's peak?

    That figure represents all of 200,000 users demanding bandwidth from the website at a peak rate each of dialup, 56 kilobit. You also have to remember the scope of the information wikileaks has released: I hardly think only 200,000 users are trying to legitimately visit the website.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭WeightierDisc


    **** the US government, exposing war crimes isn't a crime!! They couldn't coverup an oil spill let alone this they've now issued him with an arrest warrent


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    **** the US government, exposing war crimes isn't a crime!! They couldn't coverup an oil spill let alone this they've now issued him with an arrest warrent
    Interpol issued it, not the US

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers



    Jesus the man must have brass balls to be standing up to these people. He has made some very powerful enemies and it seems that many governments are looking into every legal avenue to try and shut him up, I wonder how long it will be before they railroad the Assagne Law through some pliant country to provide a "legal" basis to get him.
    IMO if he's making these people angry then he must be doing something right and I say more power to him:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    Interpol issued it, not the US

    Interpol = puppet on a string


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭WeightierDisc


    markesmith wrote: »
    Interpol = puppet on a string

    Couldn't have said it any better myself!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    markesmith wrote: »
    Interpol = puppet on a string
    Couldn't have said it any better myself!


    Why say it when you can sing it:p



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    TBF it would be great cover if you knew there was forthcoming sexual assault charges on their way!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Dodd


    Wikileaks has servers in at least 4 countries so I can't see how they could be taken out.
    If one is taken out traffic is just sent to another server.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    New wikileaks document unveiled:

    Bill Clinton: I did have sexual relations with George Bush senior. He passed some of the lotion my way and I couldn't resist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭String


    Very smart of wikileaks to take advantage of amazons cloud. Dont have to worry about attacks as any will be dealt with much better by amazon


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Tag! FSB is it!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11893886
    US ambassador to Russia John Beyrle also submits a damning report on corruption in Moscow.

    "Criminal elements enjoy a krysha (protection racket) that runs through the police, the federal security service, ministry of internal affairs and the prosecutor's office, as well as throughout the Moscow city government bureaucracy," Mr Beyrle says.

    In one cable from February this year, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates says "Russian democracy has disappeared".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Smyth


    He's said his next target is going to be along the lines of big banks and corps.
    Exposing a bank "will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms," WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Forbes. "For this, there's only one similar example. It's like the Enron emails."

    Hopefully he doesn't get assassinated before then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Smyth wrote: »
    Hopefully he doesn't get assassinated before then.

    Apart from showing how criminal democracy really is by virtue of the
    fact that we're all thinking this if he does get assasinated someone
    else will just take his place because wikileaks isn't just Assange.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    DrMorphine wrote: »
    Very smart of wikileaks to take advantage of amazons cloud. Dont have to worry about attacks as any will be dealt with much better by amazon

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1929658/wikileaks-booted-amazon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Brian




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    WikiLeaks just had their domain name (www.wikileaks.org) dropped:
    2010-12-03: WikiLeaks.org domain dropped by EveryDNS.net

    DNS provider EveryDNS.net has dropped the wikileaks.org domain, apparently after DDoS attacks, WikiLeaks has said on Twitter.

    You can still reach WikiLeaks at http://collateralmurder.com

    You can support WikiLeaks via https://donations.datacell.com/ or http://collateralmurder.com/en/support.html

    Cablegate releases are reachable at http://statelogs.owni.fr or via torrent search.

    Further updates as we get them.
    http://wlcentral.org/node/463


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    You can still reach WikiLeaks at http://collateralmurder.com

    Well, there's evidence of a lack of bias and motive for the site...

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Biggins wrote: »
    See: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/statuses/27946629554

    I wonder what "Activate Reston5." means to certain people out there!!!


    Activate Reston5 Code for: "Crush the Bastards in The Pentagon"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Well, there's evidence of a lack of bias and motive for the site...

    NTM
    There aim isn't to be unbiased, it's to gain maximum media effect in the release of their documents, so that when they are released, they aren't just dumped on some file server and ignored.

    Unlike traditional journalistic organizations, they release all their data in raw form, which lets people do their own analysis and make their own minds up, if they judge WikiLeaks analysis as being unreliable/biased.

    In other words, the documents speak for themselves, with WikiLeaks drawing attention to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    There aim isn't to be unbiased, it's to gain maximum media effect in the release of their documents, so that when they are released, they aren't just dumped on some file server and ignored.

    Unlike traditional journalistic organizations, they release all their data in raw form, which lets people do their own analysis and make their own minds up, if they judge WikiLeaks analysis as being unreliable/biased.

    In other words, the documents speak for themselves, with WikiLeaks drawing attention to them.

    Not true, the "collateral mureder" is obviously heavily edited by virtue of its very title, it is editorialising in a tabloid like manner.

    Although I do see what you are saying about other documents and agree, that particular release did not follow your description.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Yes it did they released the full unedited video alongside the summarized one; and it was nothing like a tabloidised video, it added subtitles and pointed out hard to see elements of the video, and focused on the main areas of contention in the video.

    The added name 'collateral murder' is a play on the term 'collateral damage', when in reference to killed civilians; the term 'collateral damage' is itself a heavily biased term which, when used in reference to killed civilians, intentionally diminishes reference to human deaths.

    The WikiLeaks guys who did that video, used that name, to make that reference to the term.

    All nothing like the tabloid-like sensationalist claims that WikiLeaks have 'blood on their hands', when in absence of proof.
    It's funny that many of the people who have made that claim (primarily US officials), also support a war which has caused more than 100,000 civilian deaths.


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