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Wikileaks merge (Assange loses extradition appeal)
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Speculation on your part none the less, just as easy to speculate that it would have been hushed over.....but in the end just speculation on both our parts.Manic Moran wrote: »Which had what effect, in the end? A couple of officers had their careers ended, a couple of guards were imprisoned, about what was likely to happen anyway. One of those little-acknowledged pieces of truth is that the legal system doesn't care about the publicity, unless the publicity is so great that finding an unprejudiced juror is impossible and the trial doesn't happen at all. The only difference is that a lot more people got pissed off at the US, possibly extending or increasing the war.
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The key difference is that transparency was assured, and world saw with it's own eyes what was being allowed to happen by a lax chain of command.
And in fairness to argue against accountability outside an enclosed military system on the basis that it might hurt a war effort?
Do you really want information on wars manipulated? Seriously? Given the last century of propaganda and manipulation of the public opinion, I beg to differ and well.....am kinda of enamored with the information age.
Seriously, china could just as easily claim that leaked video showing human rights abuses in NK is conducive to war and just pisses more people off at NK?
Would you accept that as a viable policy position? From the Chinese perspective maybe, but for the rest of the world, not really.
Besides, you've just received a rare glimpse in to the Diplomatic world, had this come out by normal channels, you'd have to wait 15 years and collate 1000 autobiography's each one more painful to read then the last
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TeddyTedson wrote: »Can someone tell me what exactly this wikileaks thing is?
Wikileaks is a fraud, a propaganda channel, a scam, ie something that was invented by the US Authorities just like Alqueda and Bin Laden.
The Complete Idiots Guide to Wikileaks.
Wikileaks, following much media fanfare (reason for suspicion right there) has just released a huge number of "cables" documents supposedly leaked to WikiLeaks and no other websites'.
The media is denouncing this as a threat to the United States while US politicians wring their hands and wonder when they will be free of the curse of the First Amendment and all that troublesome nonsense about Freedom of Speech.
Many observers think this is a propaganda set up and that neither Julian Assange or WikiLaeks should be taken at face value. After all, Julian Assange keeps insisting there was no 9-11 conspiracy and the 9-11 truth movement a "distraction." Apparently Julian Assange has patented conspiracy and nobody else may expose one except himself!
Of course, there is really not that much that is new in this latest dump. Like prior WikiLeaks dumps, most of it is old news mixed with some rather dubious claims. In his last such dump, Julian Assange included a claim that Osama bin Laden is still alive and controlling Al Qaeda. Of course, it is well documented outside the United States that Osama bin Laden has been dead for many years and that Al Qaeda itself is a fake front group created to hoax Americans into endless wars of conquest, much as the fictional Emmanuel Goldstein was used in George Orwell's "1984."
In yet another infamous propaganda attempt, WikiLeaks tried to claim that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, justifying the invasion. No such weapons were ever found.
As for the present batch of documents, again it is a rehash of stories already known to the blog-o-sphere. Even those people who did not know US diplomats spy on their United Nations counterparts did not find it surprising or in any way a new idea.
So what is the real purpose of Assange's little charade? Propaganda.
Propaganda is like rat poison. 95% of it is tasty, healthy food. But the purpose is to get you to swallow the poison. The same is true of the WikiLeaks document dump. The bait are all these old stories which we already knew about, used to convince us that the entire pile is "tasty, healthy food," except that it isn't. Buried in the pile of delicious, albeit past the expiration date morsels are the bits of poison which the US Government knows you will no longer accept at face value from the controlled media, but hope you will eat if handed to you by a con artist posing as hostile to the government.
So, given that 95% of the current WikiLeaks is really old news, as a public service I will point out the bits of poison that Julian hopes you will eat.
1. Iran is bad so you should all want to kill them.
2. Saudi Arabia is bad because they are funding Al Qaeda so you should all want to kill them.
3. North Korea is bad because they gave really long range missiles to Iran for Iran to put their nuclear warheads in, so you should all want to kill them.
4. China is messing with your computers, so you should all want to kill them.
That about sums it up. Oh yes, there is nothing negative about Israel in all these diplomatic messages, an impossibility given the lethal Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla last May. That suggests who Assange really works for.
Funny thing about rat poison. After a while the rats learn to eat the food and leave the poison behind.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/comidwiki.php0 -
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Wikileaks is a fraud, a propaganda channel, a scam, ie something that was invented by the US Authorities just like Alqueda and Bin Laden.
The Complete Idiots Guide to Wikileaks.
Wikileaks, following much media fanfare (reason for suspicion right there) has just released a huge number of "cables" documents supposedly leaked to WikiLeaks and no other websites'.
The media is denouncing this as a threat to the United States while US politicians wring their hands and wonder when they will be free of the curse of the First Amendment and all that troublesome nonsense about Freedom of Speech.
Many observers think this is a propaganda set up and that neither Julian Assange or WikiLaeks should be taken at face value. After all, Julian Assange keeps insisting there was no 9-11 conspiracy and the 9-11 truth movement a "distraction." Apparently Julian Assange has patented conspiracy and nobody else may expose one except himself!
Of course, there is really not that much that is new in this latest dump. Like prior WikiLeaks dumps, most of it is old news mixed with some rather dubious claims. In his last such dump, Julian Assange included a claim that Osama bin Laden is still alive and controlling Al Qaeda. Of course, it is well documented outside the United States that Osama bin Laden has been dead for many years and that Al Qaeda itself is a fake front group created to hoax Americans into endless wars of conquest, much as the fictional Emmanuel Goldstein was used in George Orwell's "1984."
In yet another infamous propaganda attempt, WikiLeaks tried to claim that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, justifying the invasion. No such weapons were ever found.
As for the present batch of documents, again it is a rehash of stories already known to the blog-o-sphere. Even those people who did not know US diplomats spy on their United Nations counterparts did not find it surprising or in any way a new idea.
So what is the real purpose of Assange's little charade? Propaganda.
Propaganda is like rat poison. 95% of it is tasty, healthy food. But the purpose is to get you to swallow the poison. The same is true of the WikiLeaks document dump. The bait are all these old stories which we already knew about, used to convince us that the entire pile is "tasty, healthy food," except that it isn't. Buried in the pile of delicious, albeit past the expiration date morsels are the bits of poison which the US Government knows you will no longer accept at face value from the controlled media, but hope you will eat if handed to you by a con artist posing as hostile to the government.
So, given that 95% of the current WikiLeaks is really old news, as a public service I will point out the bits of poison that Julian hopes you will eat.
1. Iran is bad so you should all want to kill them.
2. Saudi Arabia is bad because they are funding Al Qaeda so you should all want to kill them.
3. North Korea is bad because they gave really long range missiles to Iran for Iran to put their nuclear warheads in, so you should all want to kill them.
4. China is messing with your computers, so you should all want to kill them.
That about sums it up. Oh yes, there is nothing negative about Israel in all these diplomatic messages, an impossibility given the lethal Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla last May. That suggests who Assange really works for.
Funny thing about rat poison. After a while the rats learn to eat the food and leave the poison behind.
The above post was brought to you by a man that regularily uses the Daily Mail as a news source.0 -
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Wikileaks is a fraud, a propaganda channel, a scam, ie something that was invented by the US Authorities just like Alqueda and Bin Laden.
The Complete Idiots Guide to Wikileaks.
Wikileaks, following much media fanfare (reason for suspicion right there) has just released a huge number of "cables" documents supposedly leaked to WikiLeaks and no other websites'.
The media is denouncing this as a threat to the United States while US politicians wring their hands and wonder when they will be free of the curse of the First Amendment and all that troublesome nonsense about Freedom of Speech.
Many observers think this is a propaganda set up and that neither Julian Assange or WikiLaeks should be taken at face value. After all, Julian Assange keeps insisting there was no 9-11 conspiracy and the 9-11 truth movement a "distraction." Apparently Julian Assange has patented conspiracy and nobody else may expose one except himself!
Of course, there is really not that much that is new in this latest dump. Like prior WikiLeaks dumps, most of it is old news mixed with some rather dubious claims. In his last such dump, Julian Assange included a claim that Osama bin Laden is still alive and controlling Al Qaeda. Of course, it is well documented outside the United States that Osama bin Laden has been dead for many years and that Al Qaeda itself is a fake front group created to hoax Americans into endless wars of conquest, much as the fictional Emmanuel Goldstein was used in George Orwell's "1984."
In yet another infamous propaganda attempt, WikiLeaks tried to claim that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, justifying the invasion. No such weapons were ever found.
As for the present batch of documents, again it is a rehash of stories already known to the blog-o-sphere. Even those people who did not know US diplomats spy on their United Nations counterparts did not find it surprising or in any way a new idea.
So what is the real purpose of Assange's little charade? Propaganda.
Propaganda is like rat poison. 95% of it is tasty, healthy food. But the purpose is to get you to swallow the poison. The same is true of the WikiLeaks document dump. The bait are all these old stories which we already knew about, used to convince us that the entire pile is "tasty, healthy food," except that it isn't. Buried in the pile of delicious, albeit past the expiration date morsels are the bits of poison which the US Government knows you will no longer accept at face value from the controlled media, but hope you will eat if handed to you by a con artist posing as hostile to the government.
So, given that 95% of the current WikiLeaks is really old news, as a public service I will point out the bits of poison that Julian hopes you will eat.
1. Iran is bad so you should all want to kill them.
2. Saudi Arabia is bad because they are funding Al Qaeda so you should all want to kill them.
3. North Korea is bad because they gave really long range missiles to Iran for Iran to put their nuclear warheads in, so you should all want to kill them.
4. China is messing with your computers, so you should all want to kill them.
That about sums it up. Oh yes, there is nothing negative about Israel in all these diplomatic messages, an impossibility given the lethal Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla last May. That suggests who Assange really works for.
Funny thing about rat poison. After a while the rats learn to eat the food and leave the poison behind.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/comidwiki.php
1. Iran is pretty bad as governed by its regime
2. Saudi Arabia is also bad, considering the lack of human rights, theocratic nature etc
3. NK is diabolical, just read up on it, the majority of the population live in utter poverty, its a big brother autocratic state that brutally asserts its domestic power, a real throwback to the primitivism of authoritarianism.
4. China fcks with a lot of computers, business people were warned not to accept usbs as gifts from Chinese companies the level of hackery was so bad. Apart from the fact that its really close to NK and its utterly despicable politburo it has a dubious reputation for infilitration.
I'm reading the entries, tbh I can't see anything anywhere were it says kill all these people because they're bad. Also are there sources on Assange's remarks concerning Al Queda and 911?0 -
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