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Wikileaks merge (Assange loses extradition appeal)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Biggins wrote: »
    See: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/statuses/27946629554...I wonder what "Activate Reston5." means to certain people out there!!!

    I hope your not referring to a variant of Ebola Reston :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    What do Wikileaks hope to achieve with this latest release? Releasing files on Iraq body counts ect has a logic to it. But this latest impending release, smacks of diplomatic sh1t stirring.





    Sorry for back to back posting folks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I hope your not referring to a variant of Ebola Reston :eek:
    Yikes! :pac:

    Back on topic, I can see this article with now new leaked contents, alone hitting the fan somewhere:
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731580,00.html
    ...For example, one can learn that German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, the Germany's most beloved politician according to public opinion polls, openly criticizes fellow cabinet member Guido Westerwelle in conversations with US diplomats, and even snitches on him.
    ...that Secretary of State Clinton wants her ambassadors in Moscow and Rome to inform her whether there is anything to the rumors that Italian President Silvio Berlusconi and Vladimir Putin have private business ties in addition to their close friendship -- whispers that both have vehemently denied.
    ...King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia? A friend: Abdullah can't stand his neighbors in Iran and, expressing his disdain for the mullah regime, said, "there is no doubt something unstable about them." And his ally, Sheikh bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi? Also a friend. He believes "a near term conventional war with Iran is clearly preferable to the long term consequences of a nuclear armed Iran."
    ...America's ambassadors can be merciless in their assessments of the countries in which they are stationed. That's their job. Kenya? A swamp of flourishing corruption extending across the country. Fifteen high-ranking Kenyan officials are already banned from traveling to the United States, and almost every single sentence in the embassy reports speaks with disdain of the government of President Mwai Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emissaries also learn of a special "Iran observer" in the Azerbaijan capital of Baku who reports on a dispute that played out during a meeting of Iran's Supreme National Security Council. An enraged Revolutionary Guard Chief of Staff Mohammed Ali Jafari allegedly got into a heated argument with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and slapped him in the face because the generally conservative president had, surprisingly, advocated freedom of the press.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731580,00.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Biggins wrote: »
    Prince Charles marries a horse?

    Another one?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    Nodin wrote: »
    Another one?

    Neigh:pac:

    /hangs head in shame


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Pookah


    But this latest impending release, smacks of diplomatic sh1t stirring.

    They're stitching yer man up for rape, allegedly. Fuck 'em.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    I don't know why the citizens of the world don't storm all houses of
    "diplomacy" in their respective countries & take those crooks who fan
    on nuclear war out of the hot seat? Saudi Arabia with nukes along with
    India, Pakistan, Israel, Iran I mean this is a ticking timebomb :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Nodin wrote: »
    Another one?
    Same one. She's a (night)mare! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    The cables also expose frank, even rude, remarks about Iranian leaders,
    their trustworthiness and tactics at international meetings. Abdullah told
    another US diplomat: "The bottom line is that they cannot be trusted."
    Mubarak told a US congressman: "Iran is always stirring trouble." Others
    are learning from what they describe as Iranian deception. "They lie to us,
    and we lie to them,"
    said Qatar's prime minister, Hamad bin Jassim Jaber
    al-Thani.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-saudis-iran

    :pac:

    How are these people so blind? They are trouble makers & always lying to
    us so it's okay for noble us to lie right back because they started it!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Biggins wrote: »
    Same one. She's a (night)mare! :o

    Should have done a Gadaffi....

    They describe the volatile Libyan leader as rarely without the companionship of “his senior Ukrainian nurse,” described as “a voluptuous blonde.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    From the BBC:

    "President Obama supports responsible, accountable, and open government at home and around the world, but this reckless and dangerous action runs counter to that goal," a White House statement said.

    Do as we say, not as we do!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    It has to be said that so far, its not that groundbreaking. Its known Saudi wants to keep Iran down, that the US spies on everyone.....Theres supposedly a critique of the Brit effort in Afghanistan that would be worth reading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Nodin wrote: »
    It has to be said that so far, its not that groundbreaking. Its known Saudi wants to keep Iran down, that the US spies on everyone.....Theres supposedly a critique of the Brit effort in Afghanistan that would be worth reading.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6793971.ece =p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Well thats an anti climax... If the "spying on other countries" consists of "gthering intelligence on allise MPs" really, what the hell do people think embassies do? They are basically lobby groups for the respective governments, more legitmate only because of who they represent.

    Interesting stuff? Saudi push for an attack on Iran (hardly surprising, although I did not think it would be so explicit) and Chinese exasperation with N Korea. Other than that? I really dont see what the commenters at the bottom of the Guardian page are getting so excited about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Also, Italy and the UK seem to be a little more excited, or worried, about this that the US, does anyone know why? Could it be a national pride thing, that the US unvarnished view of the UK/Italian militaries will be... less than flattering? This should be fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭Setun


    Clawdeeus wrote:
    Well thats an anti climax... If the "spying on other countries" consists of "gthering intelligence on allise MPs" really, what the hell do people think embassies do? They are basically lobby groups for the respective governments, more legitmate only because of who they represent.

    The Guardian has been reporting slightly sensationally over the last few months - their reporting on the situation in Ireland has been teetering on the ludricous side at times. Having said that, I admire their balls for posting the contents of the cables. They're very rich with information, and presumably not all of the most important information will be outed immediately. It might take time to root out the genuinely important parts.

    If there are any good coders out there, maybe take a look at this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data
    The guardian have made the data available, so anybody with a bit of skill in graphing and data visualisation might be able to do something interesting :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    Great to see these files being released. Hopefully more will released in the future and we can read more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Queen-Mise


    There is talk that Wikileaks has a lot of very sensitive information on Russia. And Russia is not the subtlest dealing with things that cross her: Alexander Litvinenko or Georgia.
    The attack may not have anything got to do with the current information that is being leaked.


    Still feel as if I am in a spy movie - very surreal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Wow the guradian have really gone james bond with this sh*t, look at the nifty little search tool they've made for the docs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    Some good snippets on the New York times website
    For instance, it has been previously reported that the Yemeni government has sought to cover up the American role in missile strikes against the local branch of Al Qaeda. But a cable’s fly-on-the-wall account of a January meeting between the Yemeni president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, and Gen. David H. Petraeus, then the American commander in the Middle East, is nonetheless breathtaking.

    “We’ll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours,” Mr. Saleh said, according to the cable sent by the American ambassador, prompting Yemen’s deputy prime minister to “joke that he had just ‘lied’ by telling Parliament” that Yemeni forces had carried out the strikes.

    Mr. Saleh, who at other times resisted American counterterrorism requests, was in a lighthearted mood. The authoritarian ruler of a conservative Muslim country, Mr. Saleh complains of smuggling from nearby Djibouti, but tells General Petraeus that his concerns are drugs and weapons, not whiskey, “provided it’s good whiskey.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    The Sunday Times Write-up tonight.

    Crisis as Wikileaks reveals America's secrets to the world
    Arabs pushing for airstrike on Iran, US diplomats acting as 'spies' and 'inappropriate behaviour' by a British royal among information, it is claimed
    One of the newspapers selected by the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks to release details of sensitive classified documents has given early details of the content while America desperately goes for damage limitation, it is claimed.

    A report on The Guardian website claims the hundreds of thousands of classified US state department documents leaked to the website, details of which are due to be published in both British and European newspapers tomorrow, reveal:

    Arab leaders privately urging an air strike on Iran

    US officials instructed to spy on the UN's leadership

    An important shift in relations between China and North Korea

    Information about clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

    Fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme

    Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime

    Criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan

    Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the Royal family

    The veto of a meeting between Nelson Mandela and Margaret Thatcher by the ANC due to her policy of "constructive engagement" with the apartheid regime

    The leaking of these documents, including thousands of sensitive diplomatic cables sent to Washington from the American Embassy, has caused condemnation from the US state department and the Foreign Office as it is feared they may not only damage the 'special relationship' between the UK and America but also risk inflaming the Muslim world against the West or cause other global rows.

    As well as being expected to to reveal political criticisms of the prime minister David Cameron, his deputy Nick Clegg and his predecessor Gordon Brown, there are reportedly requests from the US administration for specific intelligence about individual MPs and allegations about a member of the Royal family.

    The cables are also said to contain specific allegations of corruption and against foreign leaders, as well as harsh criticism by US embassy staff of their host governments, on Caribbean islands and of major powers like China and Russia. In addition Vladimir Putin is described as an "alpha-dog", Hamid Karzai as being "driven by paranoia" and Angela Merkel allegedly "avoids risk and is rarely creative". There is also a comparison made between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.

    According to the newspaper, which is going ahead with publication despite the condemnation from both America and the UK, the cables name countries involved in financing terror groups, and describe a near "environmental disaster" last year over a rogue shipment of enriched uranium and disclose details of secret US-Russian nuclear missile negotiations in Geneva.

    This weekend US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who is said to be affected by cables relating to Barack Obama's adminstration, was said to be contacting world leaders to warn them of the content in a desperate attempt to preserve America's global relations.

    She has reportedly spoken to leaders in China, Germany, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Britain, France and Afghanistan. Canada, Denmark, Norway and Poland have also been warned.

    There are also claims, subsequently denied by the US state department, that American embassies operate as a 'global espionage network' with diplomats working as intelligence operatives. It is alleged they were asked to comply to "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Hillary Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice, and gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA, their most controversial target being the leadership of the United Nations.

    The WikiLeaks website was not available online earlier today due, it claimed, to as cyber attack.

    Last night the US State Department’s top lawyer warned WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange that lives and military operations would be put at risk if the cables were released while legal adviser Harold Koh said it would be breaking the law if it published. Assange, in a response released today by his lawyer, said he had no intention of halting the release.

    The Sunday Times website will reveal further details of the WikiLeaks documents later this evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    karma_ wrote: »
    From the BBC:

    "President Obama supports responsible, accountable, and open government at home and around the world, but this reckless and dangerous action runs counter to that goal," a White House statement said.

    Do as we say, not as we do!

    I don't see anything unreasonable with that statement. A Government can be transparent without having to release details of private conversations between its highest diplomats.

    This latest 'leak' will achieve nothing except making it harder for countries around the world to communicate with each other with any level of trust.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Mark200 wrote: »
    I don't see anything unreasonable with that statement. A Government can be transparent without having to release details of private conversations between its highest diplomats.

    This latest 'leak' will achieve nothing except making it harder for countries around the world to communicate with each other with any level of trust.

    Kind of agree, what should be more shocking to some people is how little actual news is actually being kept from them. Again, the only thing this gives is detail, and more candid language.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I see while the Sunday Times site, German news and American websites mention some royal up to no good, the Sky news site has bowed to government pressure, the D notice and not mentioned the royal inappropriateness.

    Correction: I see they must have thought it ok to cave in and mention it - well seeing as its all over the net now anyway! LOL


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    But by no means would they have been guaranteed to release the associated materials. Think about the difference in impact between the release of the photos of AG, and had the investigation simply been been revealed as a press release, in media terms a gulf of universal proportions.

    Even if the leak is what is expected to come out anyway, the introduction of a third party ensures transparency against those involved and naturally the interests they represent.

    Which had what effect, in the end? A couple of officers had their careers ended, a couple of guards were imprisoned, about what was likely to happen anyway. One of those little-acknowledged pieces of truth is that the legal system doesn't care about the publicity, unless the publicity is so great that finding an unprejudiced juror is impossible and the trial doesn't happen at all. The only difference is that a lot more people got pissed off at the US, possibly extending or increasing the war.

    NTM


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Queen-Mise wrote: »
    There is talk that Wikileaks has a lot of very sensitive information on Russia. And Russia is not the subtlest dealing with things that cross her: Alexander Litvinenko or Georgia.
    The attack may not have anything got to do with the current information that is being leaked.

    It has certainly been talked about. The Russians traditionally take no crap from anyone, there is no small school of thought that the reason Wikileaks has not gone public with the Russian documentation is that Mr Assange is kindof fond of life. He can get away with hammering the US or UK because they don't play hardball. The FSB have their own school of thought on such things.

    NTM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It has certainly been talked about. The Russians traditionally take no crap from anyone, there is no small school of thought that the reason Wikileaks has not gone public with the Russian documentation is that Mr Assange is kindof fond of life. He can get away with hammering the US or UK because they don't play hardball. The FSB have their own school of thought on such things.

    NTM
    Somehow you always manage to make your posts both disturbingly cryptic and delightfully amusing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11858895
    Germany being warned in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for US Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in an operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was abducted and held in Afghanistan

    Good to see proof of this kind of behaviour out in the open. Hopefully it will be nice and embarrassing for the German Government and some uncomfortable questions will be raised by their media.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Wikileaks have now got an alternative site up and running: http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/

    Their main site is still down due to DOS attack.

    "You can't stop the signal"

    Go Browncoats!

    Update: they now have the main site back up and running.
    http://wikileaks.org/
    It looks like a lighter version at present.


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