07/12/10 The Budget Day Protest. Are you going?

steve9859 · 23-11-2010 10:29AM

Anyone up for protesting against the protesters??

Seloth · 23-11-2010 11:24AM

Lol the heading of this thread sounds like a World war one poster....Are going too fight?

Donal Og O Baelach · 23-11-2010 11:38AM

I think we should tell Sinn Fein that Shell are turning on the taps at Ballinaboy - then they will all rush off to Mayo while we all go and have a decent protest in Dublin.

On a more serious note - a LOT of people are put off any kind of protest because they know it will be hilacked by the Shinnners.

senordingdong · 23-11-2010 11:46AM

Wouldn't mind going, but I'll be in work.

Ush1 · 23-11-2010 11:52AM

It's gas on AH. Everyone has to strawman and pigeon-hole anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY like them.

90% of threads stereotyping.

Liberal left wing lazy student hippy douche vs. Conservative right wing angry knuckle dragger twat.

Kev_ps3 · 23-11-2010 12:00PM

Donal Og O Baelach wrote: »

I think we should tell Sinn Fein that Shell are turning on the taps at Ballinaboy - then they will all rush off to Mayo while we all go and have a decent protest in Dublin.

On a more serious note - a LOT of people are put off any kind of protest because they know it will be hilacked by the Shinnners.

Im glad you find the rape of our natural resources to be such a trivial point.

Also the idea that normal people are too put off to protest because they dont want to be linked with 'Shinners' is laughable. Maby they feel guilty because they voted in FF and supported what went on in this country for the past 10 years?

mickydoomsux · 23-11-2010 12:01PM

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Speak for yourself, ive never voted for FF, not once. Why? Because even when i knew **** all about politics, i could still see they were a shower of self serving bastards and Ahern was a ****ing thief.

Ever hear of the phrase "we, the people"?

"We" did vote them in in the sense thaat the majority did. Everyone else who voted differently is irrelevant in our system

mickydoomsux · 23-11-2010 12:04PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Also the idea that normal people are too put off to protest because they dont want to be linked with 'Shinners' is laughable. Maby they feel guilty because they voted in FF and supported what went on in this country for the past 10 years?

It's got more to do with the fact that they are a political party made up of murderers and their supporters.

COYW · 23-11-2010 12:11PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Im glad you find the rape of our natural resources to be such a trivial point.

Also the idea that normal people are too put off to protest because they dont want to be linked with 'Shinners' is laughable.

I think you should re-think the input of the word rape there! On the protesting, many are turned off by the idea of protesting due to the presence of SF, whether you like it or not. Everywhere they protest, unnecessary violence follows. It would be nice if they could p1ss off elsewhere for a day and let the decent people in the land have their peaceful protest.

iguana · 23-11-2010 12:15PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Oh, do shut the **** up.

None of you asshats opened you mouths when we were all high on the hog, drunk on credit, "thanks to" Fianna Fails leadership (or complete lack of it even). Where was your revolutionary spirit then? Why was anyone who said anything to call into question the mythical Celtic Tiger considered to be a begrudger and they were disparaging our "great nation"? Why were people with even the most rudimentary economic knowledge (what goes up must come down) ignored?

Plenty of people were protesting about it back then too. They were just either ignored or painted falsely by the media.

Donal Og O Baelach · 23-11-2010 12:19PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Im glad you find the rape of our natural resources to be such a trivial point.

Also the idea that normal people are too put off to protest because they dont want to be linked with 'Shinners' is laughable. Maby they feel guilty because they voted in FF and supported what went on in this country for the past 10 years?

No, I think it's the slight tendency towards violent protest that puts people off a bit. Not tarring all shinners with the same tar-brush now (maybe unfortunate choice of words there), but you have to admit - there is an element.

dsmythy · 23-11-2010 12:23PM

So let's protest to rid ourselves of a government which will get rid of itself by March. Protest against the budget measures sure, but if you show up to say FF out then it's rather pointless.

El Horseboxo wrote: »

It's that pussy attitude that has allowed this fúcks to get away with everything till now. Let's go out and wreck the shop. Fúck what the world thinks. This country is about as low as it can go.

We can burn down a couple of banks and big business premises. They're evil. The people who lose their jobs as a result are mere collateral damage sure.

Ush1 wrote: »

It's gas on AH. Everyone has to strawman and pigeon-hole anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY like them.

90% of threads stereotyping.

Liberal left wing lazy student hippy douche vs. Conservative right wing angry knuckle dragger twat.

About time we got rid of civil war politics

Penn · 23-11-2010 12:46PM

Mister men wrote: »

Anyone who cares about the nation and the less well off of the nation will be there. Anyone who's not there don't bother coming on to the likes of this forum to moan and bitch about the state of the country.

If people want to protest, they can protest. If anyone doesn't want to protest, they don't have to. But it doesn't mean that they care any less about the country or the people, or have any less entitlement to voice their opinion on a free Internet forum than anyone else. Some people might chose to express their feelings in other ways. Some might be worried that the protests will turn violent and do not want to be associated with it. Some people (like me if I'm being honest) would rather go to work because it's all I can do to keep myself off the dole or another while. People have bills to pay. People have children to take care of. People have other stuff to do than protest against a budget on the day of the goddamn budget when they'll likely have little idea of what the budget entails. People have other stuff to do than protest against a political party which will likely be out of power in the next 3 months.

People care about this country and the less fortunate people in it. But that doesn't mean you have to protest to do so. And if anyone who doesn't want to protest wants to voice their opinion here they have every damn bit as much of a right as you do.

Noreen1 · 23-11-2010 01:01PM

Hmmm.
Am I the only person here to wonder why people have such fixed opinions in support of the Budget/IMF/EU intervention?

The truth is - we have no confirmation what the Budget will contain - for either the rich, or the poor.

Neither do we know what the terms of the bailout will be - apart from the fact that Ollie Rehn has assured European ministers that there will be "stringent conditionality":eek: - which doesn't sound particularly promising for any Irish citizen!

What we do know, is that the IMF "rescue" packages have a history of negative consequences in return for their assistance - across all sectors of the economy.

I'm in full favour of mass, peaceful protest.
My issue?
That a government that is, in effect, hanging on by its fingernails - can still sign away the future of generations yet to come.

When is any political party going to tell us the truth? Then, in the true spirit of Democracy - let the people decide.

Noreen

O'Coonassa · 23-11-2010 03:27PM

COYW wrote: »

I think you should re-think the input of the word rape there! On the protesting, many are turned off by the idea of protesting due to the presence of SF, whether you like it or not. Everywhere they protest, unnecessary violence follows. It would be nice if they could p1ss off elsewhere for a day and let the decent people in the land have their peaceful protest.

There's way more of us than there is of them, if there's enough of us we can stop any hotheads from kicking off, besides they're having their main protest on the 4th so hopefully they'll have got it all out of their system by then.

23-11-2010 04:28PM

Noreen1 wrote: »

When is any political party going to tell us the truth? Then, in the true spirit of Democracy - let the people decide.

Why would they? Could you imagine what'd happen to a political party which told the truth and stood up for honesty?

'We're making all national schools secular because the Church has controlled education for too long.'

'We're increasing funding for science education and research while docking the wages of TDs and senators because we frankly earn too much.'

'We're legalising drugs for health reasons, to generate revenue and to increase personal liberty.'

'We're making Irish an optional subject in secondary schools and changing the cirriculum to be more in line with foreign languages, while simultaneously reducing funding for promotion so we can save a few bob.'

'We think the British are an alright bunch and all this sh!ting on with the North is a load of bollocks. We don't even want it!'

'We're releasing all evidence on Garda shenanigans during the Troubles and trying anyone who was messing about.'

'Pubs and offos open on Good Friday.'

They'd never last. :pac:

FreudianSlippers · 23-11-2010 04:30PM

steve9859 wrote: »

Anyone up for protesting against the protesters??

DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING!

Super-Rush · 23-11-2010 04:45PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Oh, do shut the **** up.

None of you asshats opened you mouths when we were all high on the hog, drunk on credit, "thanks to" Fianna Fails leadership (or complete lack of it even). Where was your revolutionary spirit then? Why was anyone who said anything to call into question the mythical Celtic Tiger considered to be a begrudger and they were disparaging our "great nation"? Why were people with even the most rudimentary economic knowledge (what goes up must come down) ignored?

Because, "i gots mine" :rolleyes:

We all got a bite of the apple, we had things good economically (if borrowed money can be considered wealth). Now the debts are being called in so we're all trying to find anyone but ourselves to blame.

FF haven't changed a bit since the last election when we voted them back in like the selfish fools we were. They deserved to be gone back then just as much as they deserve to be gone now. The only difference now is that whoever replaces them will be in a position where they have to do exactly what FF would do anyway if they were left in power through some miracle.

I won't be protesting on budget day because i believe that the cuts and taxes (regardless of who makes them FF, IMF, ECB) are 100% nesscessary to readjust our economy back to some kind of realistic, sustainable model. It should have been done over the course of the past 5 years to give us a soft landing by getting people used to the idea of spending cuts and additional taxes but the current government knew that would have been (earlier) political suicide in our "free money for everyone!!!" society.

Don't post in this thread again.

Noreen1 · 23-11-2010 04:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would they? Could you imagine what'd happen to a political party which told the truth and stood up for honesty?

'We're making all national schools secular because the Church has controlled education for too long.'

'We're increasing funding for science education and research while docking the wages of TDs and senators because we frankly earn too much.'

'We're legalising drugs for health reasons, to generate revenue and to increase personal liberty.'

'We're making Irish an optional subject in secondary schools and changing the cirriculum to be more in line with foreign languages, while simultaneously reducing funding for promotion so we can save a few bob.'

'We think the British are an alright bunch and all this sh!ting on with the North is a load of bollocks. We don't even want it!'

'We're releasing all evidence on Garda shenanigans during the Troubles and trying anyone who was messing about.'

'Pubs and offos open on Good Friday.'

They'd never last. :pac:

I was thinking more about the truth regarding the current economic situation.:D

eg. In return for a bailout, the IMF/ECB require X amount of cuts in these areas - followed by, we plan to achieve this by cutting X,Y and Z - and throw in some opinion on the effects of these cuts from the economists who have been proven correct in their predictions to date.

That way, we can make an informed choice, at least.

It seems to me to be a more Democratic option than locking the population into a deal organised by politicians who have completely lost the trust and respect of the electorate.

Noreen

FreudianSlippers · 23-11-2010 04:49PM

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Horseshít narrative. You don't have a clue do you? Blaming the plain people of Ireland, who are actually mostly paying their debts on their mortgages, for the FF regulated fraudulent financial sector blowing its wad on the junk derivatives of other fraudsters, and handing out ridiculous loans to dodgy developers and builders.

All the plain people of Ireland did wrong was put their trust in a political class, their representatives, who it turned out EITHER knew next to absolutely nothing about economics OR are crooked and corrupt, and in the pocket of the financial and corporate sector which engineered this whole catastrophe, and just so happens to fund their political factions, and just so happen to be the ones to benefit from the massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich which is being proposed.

Less than one in three of us voted for FF and one in every three of us voted for nobody and that's before we even take into account the blameless children. Away with your slander, it's pure ugly lies handed down by the very same people who are f*cking us over.

The "plain" people of Ireland? :rolleyes:

talk about horseshíte!

23-11-2010 04:54PM

Noreen1 wrote: »

I was thinking more about the truth regarding the current economic situation.:D

eg. In return for a bailout, the IMF/ECB require X amount of cuts in these areas - followed by, we plan to achieve this by cutting X,Y and Z - and throw in some opinion on the effects of these cuts from the economists who have been proven correct in their predictions to date.

That way, we can make an informed choice, at least.

It seems to me to be a more Democratic option than locking the population into a deal organised by politicians who have completely lost the trust and respect of the electorate.

Noreen

Ah now, you tell the truth about one thing and before you know it, your conscience will be eating away at you and you'll become a risk those in power.

Can't be having any of that. Best to just keep everyone in the dark. Sure isn't the X Factor all they need?

Noreen1 · 23-11-2010 05:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah now, you tell the truth about one thing and before you know it, your conscience will be eating away at you and you'll become a risk those in power.

Can't be having any of that. Best to just keep everyone in the dark. Sure isn't the X Factor all they need?

+1. That's exactly the attitude of the current government.

Strangely enough, it worked for them before.
Wasn't it Charlie McCreevy who refused to explain his fiscal policy because he considered that a significant number of the Irish people were mathematically challenged. And he still got re-elected.:mad::mad::mad:

Noreen

flynnlives · 23-11-2010 06:33PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JwQZJCfxTg

O'Coonassa · 23-11-2010 06:37PM

OisinT wrote: »

The "plain" people of Ireland? :rolleyes:

talk about horseshíte!

A famous phrase, learn your culture and you might get a clue where you're coming from.

Mark200 · 23-11-2010 07:24PM

flynnlives wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JwQZJCfxTg

Not that I disagree with the premise of the video, but it has to be said that there are many factual inaccuracies in it.

FreudianSlippers · 23-11-2010 07:31PM

O'Coonassa wrote: »

A famous phrase, learn your culture and you might get a clue where you're coming from.

Nope, just the single dumbest thing I've heard today.

Morlar · 23-11-2010 07:44PM

O'Coonassa wrote: »

There is a protest outside Leinster House on Budget day calling for an immediate election. Some are just planning on marching there Some are actually planning on physically ejecting the Glorious Leaders here.

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We are spending €20,000,000,000.00 more each year than we take in.

It is going to take extreme budgets, cuts, reductions and pain all around to get this under wraps so I don't see the point to protesting against the last ditch attempt to finally do this.

If the govt had not allowed spending to get so out of control in the first place then these adjustments would be a lot less painful.

I am not a fan of ff - I'd like to see some of them in the dock at some stage but protesting necessary budget cuts each year for the next few years is pointless and counter productive. We can't just magic that money into exsistence to fill the gap between what the state spends and what it takes in.

Notwithstanding the fact that it is bound to be either organised by or hijacked by siptu who in my view share a generous portion of blame for this clusterfcuk to begin with.

flynnlives · 23-11-2010 07:46PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Not that I disagree with the premise of the video, but it has to be said that there are many factual inaccuracies in it.

il bite!!

explain?

Mark200 · 23-11-2010 08:01PM

flynnlives wrote: »

il bite!!

explain?

Well more misrepresentations than inaccuracies.

First of all,

"Forced 65,000 people to emigrate in 2010". People were complaining when we were having immigration, and now they're complaining when we're having emigration. So complaining about that is just not realistic. Especially considering imagine a huge amount of that 65,000 are probably people who had previously immigrated from Eastern European countries who have decided to go back home. Hardly a scandalous thing to happen to the country. Don't know how accurate the 65,000 figure is... but I'll take your (or the video maker's) word on it.

Second of all,

"The biggest bank failure in the world". How did the video maker come to that conclusion?

On the subject of corruption... no doubt there was a disproportionate amount of corruption through the party, but I don't think it was as wide-spread as people like to believe. I think most of the bad policies were more down to incompetence rather than bribery.

And "chauffeur driven limousines". I can't recall the last time I've heard of a TD being driven in a limo.

Health system... meh. The state of the healthcare system is probably down to poor management of it by the Government rather than the whole "two-tier" thing.

A generation stuck in negative equity... if that's referring to mortgages, then I think the responsibility for that lies largely, but not completely, with those who took out the loans.

El_Dangeroso · 23-11-2010 08:28PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Well more misrepresentations than inaccuracies.

First of all,

"Forced 65,000 people to emigrate in 2010". People were complaining when we were having immigration, and now they're complaining when we're having emigration. So complaining about that is just not realistic. Especially considering imagine a huge amount of that 65,000 are probably people who had previously immigrated from Eastern European countries who have decided to go back home. Hardly a scandalous thing to happen to the country. Don't know how accurate the 65,000 figure is... but I'll take your (or the video maker's) word on it.

Those figures are available from the CSO (Really interesting document actually):

http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/population/current/popmig.pdf

65,000 people emigrate in 2010, roughly 27,000 of which were Irish people, the rest probably returning immigrants.

07/12/10 The Budget Day Protest. Are you going?

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