Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail

Nodin · 21-11-2010 12:13PM

Stained Class wrote: »

Very good!

Well, at least I said who I voted for, which, I felt was in the spirit of things.

You, just emerged from the long grass took a cheap shot & basked in the glory of thanks from your fellow travellers.

Good on ya mate.:rolleyes:

Before you went FF, you probably had a sense of humour too....

gippychippy · 21-11-2010 12:19PM

We are down the toilet

Dartz wrote: »

I'd rather have Brian Lenihan running the country...

Brian Cowen... less so.

Though, I'd rather Adolf Hitler before Sinn Féin. Sin Féin will send the whole country down the toilet. Hitler will only send a small minority.

K-9 · 21-11-2010 02:48PM

policarp wrote: »

Why?

Fianna Fail was once Sinn Fein...

Nearly 100 years ago.

KnifeWRENCH · 21-11-2010 04:25PM

ascanbe wrote: »

Brian Lenihan has, essentially, been running the country for the last two years, or so; and the disasterous decisions he's taken make Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen look like benign visionaries.

I don't think it's fair to blame Lenihan for the mess. Ahern as Taoiseach and Cowen as his minister for finance have to take the lion's share of the blame. Things had already been going down the shítter by the time Lenihan got the job. He was left with a big mess to clear up, and to be fair I don't know if anyone else could have done any better with the job. Not saying he's brilliant or anything, but he's definitely among the best in the FF front bench (not that that says much when you look at some of the others!)

brianthebard · 21-11-2010 04:29PM

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to blame Lenihan for the mess. Ahern as Taoiseach and Cowen as his minister for finance have to take the lion's share of the blame. Things had already been going down the shítter by the time Lenihan got the job. He was left with a big mess to clear up, and to be fair I don't know if anyone else could have done any better with the job. Not saying he's brilliant or anything, but he's definitely among the best in the FF front bench (not that that says much when you look at some of the others!)

Being the best of a bad lot doesn't make him good, his bank guarantee was an epic failure which directly led us to this IMF/EU bailout. Do you really want to defend that? His time as Finance minister has been a litany of incompetence.

K-9 · 21-11-2010 04:37PM

brianthebard wrote: »

Being the best of a bad lot doesn't make him good, his bank guarantee was an epic failure which directly led us to this IMF/EU bailout. Do you really want to defend that? His time as Finance minister has been a litany of incompetence.

True, don't think Labour's idea of Nationalisation would have worked much better though.

Not sure on FG's good/bad banks proposals.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-11-2010 05:13PM

Dartz wrote: »

I'd rather have Brian Lenihan Comical Ali running the country...

:pac:

parker kent · 21-11-2010 05:21PM

brianthebard wrote: »

Being the best of a bad lot doesn't make him good, his bank guarantee was an epic failure which directly led us to this IMF/EU bailout. Do you really want to defend that? His time as Finance minister has been a litany of incompetence.

The original guarantee was not a failure. They had a very limited timeframe to make a decision and took one that secured the immediate stability of Irish banks. Afterwards mistakes were made.

Anyway, the bigger mistakes were made in the 1998-2008 period.

senordingdong · 22-11-2010 08:47AM

Could Sinn Fein really acquire the majority?

I see afew 'underdog' parties gaining support rapidly but could any one of them get into power without resorting to a coalition?

Noreen1 · 22-11-2010 09:07AM

parker kent wrote: »

The original guarantee was not a failure. They had a very limited timeframe to make a decision and took one that secured the immediate stability of Irish banks. Afterwards mistakes were made.

Anyway, the bigger mistakes were made in the 1998-2008 period.

I can understand the reasoning that the original bank guarantee was necessary - though I cannot fathom the reasoning for the Anglo bailout.

What I find truly astonishing is that no-one seems to have had any idea how much it was going to cost.......

Noreen

--Kaiser-- · 22-11-2010 10:49AM

parker kent wrote: »

Sinn Féin are an absolute joke. I would leave Ireland if they ever got into government. Ignoring the obvious links with terrorism, if you take the time to read their idiotic policies it should be pretty obvious that a kitten with a ball of wool would make better political and economic decisions.

+ 1

dolphin city · 22-11-2010 11:18AM

Up de Barrs wrote: »

Pity that idealism didnt stretch to recognising that 30 years of IRA violence achieved nothing but death and misery.

I always laugh at posts like these - they come up all the time and all they do is highlight the naivete of the poster who really probably has never set foot up north or had no interest/idea of what was happening to Irish people up north over the last few decades.

:D

Da Shins Kelly · 22-11-2010 11:24AM

At least Sinn Féin have ideals. Fianna Fáil have nothing going for them at all. They're sell-outs, that is all.

dolphin city · 22-11-2010 11:38AM

and remember when ye are all crying your eyes out because Ireland has been sold to the highest bidder, that it was Sinn Fein that was begging the Irish people to cop on and not sign their sovereignty away - whilst the democracy of Fianna Fail was screaming at us that "we would keep voting until we came back with the right answer". And this is the result.

And remember those of you who are nagging on about SF and blah blah, ask youself the question - who provided them with arms in the first place?? If SF came into power I hope they would make every man woman and child do a test on their Irish history, to make sure everyone knew their history, instead of selling out to the anyone that wants to buy us while having the ignorence of some people defending them.

Buceph · 22-11-2010 11:40AM

dolphin city wrote: »

and remember when ye are all crying your eyes out because Ireland has been sold to the highest bidder, that it was Sinn Fein that was begging the Irish people to cop on and not sign their sovereignty away - whilst the democracy of Fianna Fail was screaming at us that "we would keep voting until we came back with the right answer". And this is the result.

And remember those of you who are nagging on about SF and blah blah, ask youself the question - who provided them with arms in the first place?? If SF came into power I hope they would make every man woman and child do a test on their Irish history, to make sure everyone knew their history, instead of selling out to the anyone that wants to buy us.

I remember my history very well. Sinn Fein were the crowd going around blowing up innocent people. While trying to destroy the peaceful democrats of the SDLP.

prinz · 22-11-2010 11:42AM

Put it this way; I'd rather be pickpocketed in peace than violently mugged down a dark alley.

dolphin city · 22-11-2010 11:42AM

Buceph wrote: »

I remember my history very well. Sinn Fein were the crowd going around blowing up innocent people. While trying to destroy the peaceful democrats of the SDLP.

i rest my case.

bring on the irish history lesson quick.

OctavarIan · 22-11-2010 11:43AM

This is like asking would you like to be slowly tortured or just beaten.

dolphin city · 22-11-2010 11:46AM

OctavarIan wrote: »

This is like asking would you like to be slowly tortured or just beaten.

you will be experiencing both in the next few months so you don't need to pick an option.

yarwood · 22-11-2010 11:49AM

I can't believe you people, your soverenity is gone your country is bust your banks are worthless your government consists of liars and useless bastards in fact all you are now is an appendage on the Euro map and all you can dream about is the difference between whatever

Given the above who elected these people if you have an answer to that then you have then stop complaining

jackiebaron · 22-11-2010 11:51AM

Up de Barrs wrote: »

Pity that idealism didnt stretch to recognising that 30 years of IRA violence achieved nothing but death and misery.

Well didn't Haughey run guns to them?

COYW · 22-11-2010 12:29PM

Buceph wrote: »

I remember my history very well. Sinn Fein were the crowd going around blowing up innocent people. While trying to destroy the peaceful democrats of the SDLP.

Too right. Whatever wrongs FF have done they dont come close to the hurt that SF and their associates caused on this island and in the UK for over 30 years. Thousands of totally innocent people lost their lives as a result of actions which were celebrated by SF. Anyone who votes for them needs to have a good long hard look at themselves.

The country is in a bad enough state without having murderers in power.

yarwood · 22-11-2010 12:40PM

What a load of claptrap, the British Government in collusion with paramilatries in the North were as much responsible as for murder and mayhem as Sinn Fein, in any case the British owned a part of Ireland and someone ie Sinn Fein stood up to them, what have you and your ilk done I will tell you, rolled over and shown your yellow belly to Europe, you lot are a bloody disgrace

--Kaiser-- · 22-11-2010 12:45PM

yarwood wrote: »

What a load of claptrap, the British Government in collusion with paramilatries in the North were as much responsible as for murder and mayhem as Sinn Fein, in any case the British owned a part of Ireland and someone ie Sinn Fein stood up to them, what have you and your ilk done I will tell you, rolled over and shown your yellow belly to Europe, you lot are a bloody disgrace

I am embarrassed by those who think terrorising and killing innocent civilians is the right way to go about unifying the country (which not everyone wants).

It's Sinn Fein and its supporters who are a bloody disgrace to this nation, much more than corrupt and inept politicians

Ectoplasm · 22-11-2010 12:47PM

I've never voted for either party and I'm not likely to start now. Given the choice between the two, I would abstain.

FF are corrupt and I've always thought so. There is to much of a 'who ya know' attitude within the party, creation of political dynasties etc. etc.

SF are the 'rabble rabble rabble' of Irish politics. Ignoring their links with the IRA, as many of the newer members would have played no part in that, their policies are laughable. They don't seem to understand basic economics. Their latest, 'throw the IMF out' is ridiculous. It's not even the sentiment that annoys me most, it's the language they use to do it too. They are soundbite politicians.

dolphin city · 22-11-2010 01:21PM

COYW wrote: »

Too right. Whatever wrongs FF have done they dont come close to the hurt that SF and their associates caused on this island and in the UK for over 30 years. Thousands of totally innocent people lost their lives as a result of actions which were celebrated by SF. Anyone who votes for them needs to have a good long hard look at themselves.

The country is in a bad enough state without having murderers in power.

again i say, bring back Irish history lessons for all. :rolleyes: if people actually knew their history, they would realise that statements like this are so far off the mark they are laughable. but hey, FF and their "supporters" has just ensured that Irish history and struggle can be signed away at the drop of a hat, no questions asked.

dolphin city · 22-11-2010 01:24PM

EMF2010 wrote: »

I've never voted for either party and I'm not likely to start now. Given the choice between the two, I would abstain.

FF are corrupt and I've always thought so. There is to much of a 'who ya know' attitude within the party, creation of political dynasties etc. etc.

SF are the 'rabble rabble rabble' of Irish politics. Ignoring their links with the IRA, as many of the newer members would have played no part in that, their policies are laughable. They don't seem to understand basic economics. Their latest, 'throw the IMF out' is ridiculous. It's not even the sentiment that annoys me most, it's the language they use to do it too. They are soundbite politicians.

as opposed to FF who DO understand basic economics

:D:D do you actually read what you are saying? no wonder the country is in the state it's in.

problemchimp · 22-11-2010 01:27PM

Sinn Fein for me!

wilson10 · 22-11-2010 01:33PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Well at least the Catholic population went from being treated like second class citizens, to running the place - result I think.

There may be a few catholics in the Tory & Liberal Democratic parties but surely not a majority.

pablomakaveli · 22-11-2010 01:35PM

I say we round up these two parties and their supporters and put them on a big boat and let it sail to the far ends of the earth, never to return. We won't be able to vote on the poll anymore but the country will be better for their absence.

Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail

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