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NASA to announce 'exceptional object in our cosmic neighborhood'

  • 13-11-2010 9:05pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭


    NASA Announces Televised Chandra News Conference

    WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a news conference at 12:30 p.m. EST on Monday, Nov. 15, to discuss the Chandra X-ray Observatory's discovery of an exceptional object in our cosmic neighborhood.

    The news conference will originate from NASA Headquarters' television studio, 300 E St. SW in Washington and carried live on NASA TV.

    This might be seen to fit in with a number of on-going CT's. Thoughts?

    Link


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Someone phone Mysterious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    "cosmic neighborhood" seems like an odd description for where it is. The 3 professors involved in the conference all have specialties in black-hole research though.. so I'm gonna guess it's related to that somehow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    Blackhole? In our neighbourhood?

    Without knowing precisely what the danger is, I believe it is time for us to crack open each others skulls and feast on the goo inside.

    Seriously though, its a very interesting press release. Thanks Namloc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    We found a new planet...... :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    Very interesting. I will be looking out for an update on this.
    The 3 professors involved in the conference all have specialties in black-hole research though.. so I'm gonna guess it's related to that somehow.

    Also the Chandra X-ray Observatory would be able to detect black holes and neutron stars. So either one of those would be my guess. A nearby black hole would be able to shed some light (horrible pun) on the phenomenon!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Can Pluto be a planet again? I miss it :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    ATS wrote:
    There are two new pieces of information that are floating around. One is that the Vatican has requested time for the media for Tuesday, and the other is this:

    This will be leaking out bit by bit starting tomorrow at 2pm. The object is at a great distance. It comprises of 3 mind bogglingly powerful Fermium laser beams that form a huge glowing triangle in space. It is estimated the distance between points is roughly the size of our Solar system. This is of course not a natural formation in space. Only until Chandra could they detect the properties of this beam, it is unlike any technology we have on Earth. Even more incredible is the triangle pulsates and top scientists the world over are trying to make sense of the obvious data these pulsations represent. Hold on tight, tomorrow everything changes.
    :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭MRPRO03


    Is it a conindence that a small article on Sedna is on the wikipedia home page today ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 949 ✭✭✭maxxie


    fingers crossed for alien mothership :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    squod wrote: »
    Someone phone Mysterious.

    We'd have to commune with Mysterious a phone would be no good.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    Normally these press conferences turn out to be about something boring and mundane

    Hopefully this one will be different


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Its a rouge Black Hole apparently. And our cosmic universe includes the other side of the galaxy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Its a rouge Black Hole apparently. And our cosmic universe includes the other side of the galaxy.
    "cosmic neighbourhood" does not have a standard definition. It could be used to talk about our solar system or even our local area (which would include multiple galaxies).

    It is possible that the announcement will be a "wandering" supermassive black hole. But it would be atypical for NASA to make a press release of this size for something relatively mundane.
    The reason this is peaking interest is that this is out of the ordinary for NASA. Inviting international media, making a pre-announcement rather than just giving the press conference, etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭silkworm53


    For a long time astronomers have speculated that there is a gravitation pull on the orbits of the planets. Many speculated that there is an immense object rotating the Sun that is a dark brother of our star - a non luminous gas body.
    Perhaps this is what they mean? Planet X?

    Alternatively with all the 2012 stuff being spoken about perhaps there is a giant asteroid on a collision course with the Earth?:) Time to kneel and face Mecca?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Ah yes, planet x, which nobody has ever seen, which doesnt redlect light, would have to be on the same orbit has us, moving at the same exact speed for it to be blocked by the sun. etc........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    silkworm53 wrote: »
    For a long time astronomers have speculated that there is a gravitation pull on the orbits of the planets. Many speculated that there is an immense object rotating the Sun that is a dark brother of our star - a non luminous gas body.
    Perhaps this is what they mean? Planet X?

    Alternatively with all the 2012 stuff being spoken about perhaps there is a giant asteroid on a collision course with the Earth?:) Time to kneel and face Mecca?

    Probably not an asteroid since Chandra is an x-ray observatory. Also doubtful it's this planet x.

    They would have said in our solar system rather than cosmic neighbourhood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    It's a massive blackhole right in our neighbourhood!!!! has to be NAMA :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Sightaridis


    Evidence for the youngest known black hole in our cosmic neighborhood has been found using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and other telescopes. The age and proximity of this object could provide astronomers with a unique opportunity to watch a black hole develop during its infancy.

    http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/10_releases/press_111510.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    The Mother of All CT's:

    Project BlueBeam

    http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bluebeam.html
    The infamous NASA [National Aeronautics and Space Administration] Blue Beam Project has four different steps in order to implement the new age religion with the Antichrist at its head. We must remember that the new age religion is the very foundation for the new world government, without which religion the dictatorship of the new world order is completely impossible. I'll repeat that: Without a universal belief in the new age religion, the success of the new world order will be impossible! That is why the Blue Beam Project is so important to them, but has been so well hidden until now.

    Engineered Earthquakes & Hoaxed 'Discoveries'
    The first step in the NASA Blue Beam Project concerns the breakdown [re-evaluation] of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with the set-up, with artificially created earthquakes at certain precise locations on the planet, of supposedly new discoveries which will finally explain to all people the "error" of all fundamental religious doctrines. The falsification of this information will be used to make all nations believe that their religious doctrines have been misunderstood for centuries and misinterpreted. Psychological preparations for that first step have already been implemented with the film, '2001: A Space Odyssey;' the StarTrek series, and 'Independence Day;' all of which deal with invasions from space and the coming together of all nations to repel the invaders. The last films, 'Jurrassic Park,' deals with the theories of evolution, and claim God's words are lies. http://i.am/jah/evolut.htm

    Hoaxed "Discoveries'
    What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archaeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will be possible for scientists to rediscover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious doctrines. This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the planet. To do that, they need some false 'proof' from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood.

    The Big Space Show in the Sky
    The second step in the NASA Blue Beam Project involves a gigantic 'space show' with three-dimensional optical holograms and sounds, laser projection of multiple holographic images to different parts of the world, each receiving a different image according to predominating regional national religious faith. This new 'god's' voice will be speaking in all languages. In order to understand that, we must study various secret services' research done in the last 25 years. The Soviet's have perfected an advanced computer, even exported them, and fed them with the minute physio-psychological particulars based on their studies of the anatomy and electromechanical composition of the human body, and the studies of the electrical, chemical and biological properties of the human brain. These computers were fed, as well, with the languages of all human cultures and their meanings. The dialects of all cultures have been fed into the computers from satellite transmissions. The Soviets began to feed the computers with objective programs like the ones of the new messiah. It also seems that the Soviets - the new world order people - have resorted to suicidal methods with the human society by allocating electronic wavelengths for every person and every society and culture to induce suicidal thoughts if the person doesn't comply with the dictates of the new world order.
    more on : http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projec...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Hopefully its the V on the way, a 3 way with anna and her daughter would be most agreeable before they eat me


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    kryogen wrote: »
    Hopefully its the V on the way, a 3 way with anna and her daughter would be most agreeable before they eat me
    I'll ban anyone who points out the innuendo!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 610 ✭✭✭TerryTibbs!


    humanji wrote: »
    I'll ban anyone who points out the innuendo!
    In your endo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    kryogen wrote: »
    Hopefully its the V on the way, a 3 way with anna and her daughter would be most agreeable before they eat me

    Death my snu snu?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    That's already released though. Why hold an international press conference to make an announcement that was already made? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    I really hope its something cool, and not them Bubbles they found.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    I really hope its something cool, and not them Bubbles they found.
    The bubbles could mean that there is a traversable wormhole at the centre of our galaxy. That'd be pretty cool.


  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭MRPRO03


    OisinT wrote: »
    That's already released though. Why hold an international press conference to make an announcement that was already made? :)

    The page is missing now, they obviously made an error by publishing it early, it had 15th November on top of the statement when it was 14th yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    MRPRO03 wrote: »
    The page is missing now, they obviously made an error by publishing it early, it had 15th November on top of the statement when it was 14th yesterday.
    Definitely could be. ATS is saying it could be a White Hole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    OisinT wrote: »
    Definitely could be. ATS is saying it could be a White Hole.

    Bleaching??
    If this is another prediction that doesn't turn out to materialise, colour me surprised.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It's ok...no need to panic....it's a 30 year old Back Hole located in the M100 Galaxy 50 million light years away.

    Link


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    Is that it?

    What a Crock!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I, for one, am shocked that the experts at Above Top Secret got this wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Is that it?

    What a Crock!

    a massive cosmic discovery and you ask is that it... and say its a crock....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    robtri wrote: »
    a massive cosmic discovery and you ask is that it... and say its a crock....

    Yes

    The whole world and its dog knew that there were blackholes out there and excuse me but 50 million light years is hardly around the corner!

    Snoozefest of the highest order!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Yes

    The whole world and its dog knew that there were blackholes out there and excuse me but 50 million light years is hardly around the corner!

    Snoozefest of the highest order!

    The key is its only thirty years old!!! Cosmically speaking, that is a splitsecond after it has started. It means we can study how a blackhole forms and the physics behind them.

    This is a MASSIVE discovery.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    yekahs wrote: »
    The key is its only thirty years old!!! Cosmically speaking, that is a splitsecond after it has started. It means we can study how a blackhole forms and the physics behind them.

    This is a MASSIVE discovery.

    We'll have to agree to disagree, to me its a non event.

    And its in real time 50,000,030 years old which means its already starved or migrated elsewhere, and also you cannot study a black hole directly, only its effects on its surroundings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    We'll have to agree to disagree, to me its a non event.

    And its in real time 50,000,030 years old which means its already starved or migrated elsewhere, and also you cannot study a black hole directly, only its effects on its surroundings.
    You realise that the light now arriving at us still gives us a clear view of the effects on the blackhole's surroundings 50,000,000 years ago. And you do realise that studying it's effects on it's surroundings is directly studying it?

    It might not be a non-event for people hoping for some ridiculous object that would confirm their beliefs (no doubt cranks like Richard Hoagland are furiously writing their latest conspiracies about this). But for real scientists working in the field it's basically early Christmas.
    I'd say Chandra will be looking at this thing a lot now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The 'real scientists working in the field' would have been aware of this for some time now.

    It's a great showcase for NASA and its technological advances, and hopeully will ensure that public interest in exploration, and by extension the funding of projects will not dwindle.. but it isn't the find of the decade, or even the year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    King Mob wrote: »
    You realise that the light now arriving at us still gives us a clear view of the effects on the blackhole's surroundings 50,000,000 years ago. And you do realise that studying it's effects on it's surroundings is directly studying it?

    It might not be a non-event for people hoping for some ridiculous object that would confirm their beliefs (no doubt cranks like Richard Hoagland are furiously writing their latest conspiracies about this). But for real scientists working in the field it's basically early Christmas.
    I'd say Chandra will be looking at this thing a lot now.

    Of course I realise that considering it was me who mentioned it in the first place.
    Anyway I already knew all I needed to know about the core subject already.
    You cannot directly observe a black hole with our current technology,observing its effects is simply that.
    What does your second paragraph relate to and what ridiculous object are you on about?
    who is richard hoagland? And by referring to cranks saying this is a non event are you feebly trying to label me as a crank?
    As this was a NASA press release I personally was expecting more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Of course I realise that considering it was me who mentioned it in the first place.
    So then what's the issue? To us the Black hole is only 30 years old. We are seeing the behaviour and effects of a 30 year old black hole.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Anyway I already knew all I needed to know about the core subject already.
    You cannot directly observe a black hole with our current technology,observing its effects is simply that.
    Observing it's effects on the surroundings tells us stuff directly about the black hole.
    What exactly was your point?
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    What does your second paragraph relate to and what ridiculous object are you on about?
    It's my opinion on the matter in relation to conspiracy theories. And as for ridiculous objects, in this very thread we have white holes, planet X, wormholes and so on.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    who is richard hoagland?
    He's the crank who brings us such theories as the face on Mars and NASA's secret ploy to blow up Jupiter.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    And by referring to cranks saying this is a non event are you feebly trying to label me as a crank?
    No.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    As this was a NASA press release I personally was expecting more.
    So what were you expecting, out of interest?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    As this was a NASA press release I personally was expecting more.

    i am curious to know what you where expecting from NASA,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    King Mob wrote: »
    So then what's the issue? To us the Black hole is only 30 years old. We are seeing the behaviour and effects of a 30 year old black hole.

    Which is totally irrelevant, well to me. The difference in 30 to 50 million years is simply size & location! Thats it!
    King Mob wrote: »
    Observing it's effects on the surroundings tells us stuff directly about the black hole.
    What exactly was your point?
    Why do you keep arguing ? You cannot see a blackhole! Simple point really!
    King Mob wrote: »
    It's my opinion on the matter in relation to conspiracy theories. And as for ridiculous objects, in this very thread we have white holes, planet X, wormholes and so on.
    He's the crank who brings us such theories as the face on Mars and NASA's secret ploy to blow up Jupiter.

    So why do you try and encapuslate what I said with this rubbush? Not once did I say anything like this but yet you try and drag me into this pointless debate about rubbish other people have said!
    King Mob wrote: »
    No.

    Yes!
    King Mob wrote: »
    So what were you expecting, out of interest?
    robtri wrote: »
    i am curious to know what you where expecting from NASA,

    I got really excited about this because when I use the term a discovery I would relate that to something new, never before theorised or observed. A blackhole is a widely known astronomical object and hardly a discovery. as I said 30 years or older the only difference is size & location!
    As I said such a disapointment!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    robtri wrote: »
    i am curious to know what you where expecting from NASA,

    An announcement that The Beatles were coming to iTunes?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Which is totally irrelevant, well to me. The difference in 30 to 50 million years is simply size & location! Thats it!

    I got really excited about this because when I use the term a discovery I would relate that to something new, never before theorised or observed. A blackhole is a widely known astronomical object and hardly a discovery. as I said 30 years or older the only difference is size & location!
    As I said such a disapointment!

    Well actually it's the first chance astronomers have ever had to observe and study a black hole at this incredibly early stage in it's life.
    You seem to using a very funny definition of the word discovery...


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    I got really excited about this because when I use the term a discovery I would relate that to something new, never before theorised or observed. A blackhole is a widely known astronomical object and hardly a discovery. as I said 30 years or older the only difference is size & location!
    As I said such a disapointment!

    But there is a lot that can be learned from this. It's not a new phenomenon sure, but it will allow us to observe how a black hole behaves just after it has been formed. 30 years in astronomical terms is such a small amount of time really, distance has nothing to do with it. Another interesting thing about this discovery is that it may prove that the mathematics behind the formation of a black hole are correct, as this discovery may just have been on the cusp of being a neutron star (See link: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/11/15/astronomers-may-have-found-youngest-black-hole/.

    While this discovery may not interest you, it certainly interests many other people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    King Mob wrote: »
    Well actually it's the first chance astronomers have ever had to observe and study a black hole at this incredibly early stage in it's life.
    You seem to using a very funny definition of the word discovery...

    You really would start a fight with your toe nails.........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,815 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    yekahs wrote: »
    Blackhole? In our neighbourhood?

    Without knowing precisely what the danger is, I believe it is time for us to crack open each others skulls and feast on the goo inside.

    Seriously though, its a very interesting press release. Thanks Namloc.

    A theory suggests that every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at it's centre.
    I'm guessing this provides the gravity to maintain cohesion and to counteract the outward acceleration of everything.

    I'm probably well off the mark.

    Cosmic neighbourhood is almost a contradiction in terms, maybe it's just press/prole-friendly blurb to humanize the SCIENCE!!!1 angle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,815 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Why do you keep arguing ? You cannot see a blackhole! Simple point really!
    Yes you can. You look for the patch of 'nothing' with everything else swirling around it.
    Or the acretion disc/event horizon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    po0k wrote: »
    A theory suggests that every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at it's centre.
    I'm guessing this provides the gravity to maintain cohesion and to counteract the outward acceleration of everything.

    I'm probably well off the mark.

    Cosmic neighbourhood is almost a contradiction in terms, maybe it's just press/prole-friendly blurb to humanize the SCIENCE!!!1 angle.
    Thats a pretty interesting theory, I've never heard that before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    po0k wrote: »
    A theory suggests that every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at it's centre.
    I'm guessing this provides the gravity to maintain cohesion and to counteract the outward acceleration of everything.

    I'm probably well off the mark.
    Yup that's the theory alright. The one at our centre is Sagittarius A.
    po0k wrote: »
    Yes you can. You look for the patch of 'nothing' with everything else swirling around it.
    Or the acretion disc/event horizon.
    They're more likely to be found by the X-rays they emit as matter falls into them. Chandra, the satellite that made this discovery is an x-ray observatory.

    Afaik there hasn't been any pictures taken of an accretion disk or the event horizon.


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