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Another case of inadequate 'Justice'. 9 years for murder

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    9 years is pathetic enough without considering the fact that he wont even see all of that out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Dudess wrote: »
    Wouldn't care if e.g. relatives of the victims got revenge on him, but I wouldn't like a state to have that kind of privilege.

    Aye, just because there's something that I would do it doesn't mean that a state should be built on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the kid and the car thing? not so much. This? this is worthy of my wall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Pookah


    Aiden was a good friend of mine. He had a lot of heart, even joking with the ambulance men on the way to the hospital, form the scene of the attack, and was able to walk from the ambulance in to the emergency room. Unfortunately, he was so internally damaged, he died a short while later.

    I hesitate to use the word scumbag, but the guys who did this, and O'Riordan in particular, are deserving of the term.

    Knowing what I know about O'Riordan, I don't think justice is being served by the length of the sentence, but I suppose it was a tricky prosecution for the DPP, and this sentence is better than none at all.

    I just hope they find evidence on the other perpetrators, now, and that this sentence gives his family some peace.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    To see how a human life is valued here - what else can get you 10 years in prison ?

    Charities Act 2009 - 10 years for - Those shíts who push the fake charity clothing appeals through your door


    Criminal Damage Act, 1991
    Threat to damage property.
    Possessing any thing with intent to damage property. "we believe you might key a car"


    Passports Act 2008 lots of stuff to do with passports - This in a country that used to sell passports to anyone who invested a million in the state (not give - invest for 5 years , so they could retain the value of the investment)


    Irish Medicines Board Act, 1995 - this also applies to cosmetics - this one beggars belief


    Defauding investors

    Investor Compensation Act, 1998
    - 10 years - ha as if :rolleyes:



    Prevention of Corruption (Amendment) Act, 2001
    again I just can't see this ever happening under the current administration :mad::mad:
    We have gob****és who can't even remember which bribe they got being let off (explaining the wrong thirty thousand) - and this back when you could buy a house for that amount


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    "Can".


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The state has a duty to protect us from harm. By far the best way of doing this is to rehabilitate violent offenders (this includes residential burglaries).

    If the state can't rehabilitate then the state could protect us from harm by increased policing / higher penalties to instil fear of sentencing (these aren't so effective) / or by keeping the person off the streets for longer.

    By the way I'm not talking about three strikes rules or similar , I'm referring to persons with dozens of convictions ( and given our low rate of solving crimes ... ) Clearly in these cases the state has failed in it's duty of protecting the general public and it's duty to reform the person themselves.

    We have to focus on things are proven to deter future crime.

    Sad to say - not all those who re-offend are caught so the real figure of those who re-offend may be higher :(

    Also it's well know that in a recession more people turn to crime (for obvious reasons) so the problem of how to rehabilite people or screen for those who are not ready to be released into society again are more important.



    In the UK for the first time they recently released more detailed figures
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11692852
    Newly published figures show that 74% of offenders were convicted within nine years of starting a community order or being released from prison.

    The statistics, for England and Wales, also reveal for the first time rates of reoffending for individual prisons.

    Justice Minister Crispin Blunt said the root causes of crime must be targeted.

    The figures also show that 14 prisons have one-year reoffending rates of more than 70%.
    ...
    Mr Blunt said: "Today's statistics show we need a more intelligent approach to sentencing that targets the root causes of crime and reoffending, so making our communities safer and better places to live.

    "Reoffending rates among short-sentence prisoners remain unacceptably high. We will address this failure in the system by making prisons into places of hard work which prepare offenders more effectively for the outside world.

    "Prison remains the right place for the most serious, dangerous and persistent offenders. We must stop the revolving door of crime and reoffending.

    "We will do this by targeting interventions that work for victims, offenders and the community."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    I'm shocked the DPP even considered accepting a plea of manslaughter. Granted we don't know the full facts of the case but ramming a car off the road and then attacking a man with a machete, how the **** is that 'accidental'???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Pookah wrote: »
    Aiden was a good friend of mine. He had a lot of heart, even joking with the ambulance men on the way to the hospital, form the scene of the attack, and was able to walk from the ambulance in to the emergency room. Unfortunately, he was so internally damaged, he died a short while later.

    I hesitate to use the word scumbag, but the guys who did this, and O'Riordan in particular, are deserving of the term.

    Knowing what I know about O'Riordan, I don't think justice is being served by the length of the sentence, but I suppose it was a tricky prosecution for the DPP, and this sentence is better than none at all.

    I just hope they find evidence on the other perpetrators, now, and that this sentence gives his family some peace.
    Christ, so sorry about your friend - bad enough to lose a close friend at all, but in such an horrific way... :(


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