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Stop Abusing Call Centre Workers

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Maddison


    maglite wrote: »
    You actually sound like the type of person i hate to get onto, dont care, dont want to be there, going through a script no manners, no tack no nothing,


    Are you surprised people hate you. Have a look at how the american call centers and the good India centers threat people... You might learn something.

    I have to disagree with you there,my insurance company's call centre is based in Bangladesh and I have nothing with hassle with them, they say they will do something and Its never done. I was onto them 4 times with the same issue and It was only sorted once I spoke to someone in the Dublin office. I now have a contact within that office so I dont have to go through making all the calls and getting nowhere.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭krd


    It's often the case call centre/contact centres are very badly run. Often the managers are lazy, thick, slime bags who don't have a clue what the centre is meant to be supporting.

    I once had a job working in complaints for a big company. All the complaint letters and emails came through me. I was the only person who knew where the letters etc were. Management showed zero interest in them. Yet, the big thick bint on a big salary, whenever she got a brainwave (another stupid idea), she'd claim to have gained insights from reading customers letters and emails. She never did. If the useless woman ever bothered to read the complaints - or even bother to ask what people were complaining about there wouldn't have been so many unhappy customers.

    Call centres will go out of their way to hire the clueless. Technical support centres will throw out CVs where they see people have experience - and hire the clueless. I have worked in places where they've hired people to give technical support, where the people HAVE NEVER USED A COMPUTER IN THEIR LIVES.

    One place I worked - where the customers were very angry because they kept getting fobbed off. The management believed it was because the agents were upsetting the customers - lacking the right "soft skills" - nothing to do with incompetent ****ty management. So they dragged us in and had us listen to recordings of what they thought was the ideal agent. A smarmy bitch who was telling every customer that called her that their problem was going to be fixed in half an hour. Of course she was doing nothing - she wasn't fixing anything. Then after half an hour, the customer would realise they've been duped and they would call back very angry.

    If you're the kind of person who believes bawling out someone in a call centre is going to help your case - you a thick bag of slime. Worthless slime - though invariably you'll have a good job somewhere, the thick always do.

    I know every trick that can be pulled in a call centre. I know precisely how they're run. In any given call centre at least half the staff are complete arseholes - who deliberately fob customers off. The managers never fire these people - because they see something of themselves in them. Pig people. But most of the public deserve these people. As they are also pig people. Oink, Oink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    krd wrote: »
    who deliberately fob customers off

    The problem is to survive in a call centre you have to take about 60 calls a day and the only way you can deal with 60 queries a day is if your fobbing some people off, if you take 40 calls and deal with these 40 customers brilliantly your underperforming as your only dealing with a dissapointing 40 queries.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭krd


    Diapason wrote: »

    I try not to be rude to call centre workers, but when faced with somebody terminally stupid who simply refuses to listen, it's difficult not to get annoyed.

    Also, if the call centre is the ONLY way I can contact the company in question, then the call centre worker should expect the worst.

    You are an arsehole - have you ever thought of trying to control your temper?

    You are also terminally stupid if you think shouting at a call centre agent, thick or otherwise is going to help your case.

    Anyway I tell you a little something that goes on in call centres - re complaints.

    The customer service manager always likes to look good. Most of these people are very stupid and lazy. But they have an animal cunning. I've known of situations in call centres where agents were threatened with the sack if they logged customer complaints. All your huffing and puffing goes nowhere, only into the ears of the poor agent, who's likely been listening all day to whinging arseholes.

    Look at the world around you. Do you see honesty and integrity. Or do you see a world of pillocky booky men and woman - bull****ters, lazy people, stupid people, mean people. People who go out of their way to do everything they do in life badly. What kind of person are you?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭krd


    Greyfox wrote: »
    The problem is to survive in a call centre you have to take about 60 calls a day and the only way you can deal with 60 queries a day is if your fobbing some people off, if you take 40 calls and deal with these 40 customers brilliantly your underperforming as your only dealing with a dissapointing 40 queries.

    Well, it's a false economy. Different call centres are different from each other. The thing about fobbing people off is it drives up the call volume - they call back and they're usually very upset. The standard procedure for management in a call centre is to monitor calls and sack people who fob customers off. In the more dysfunctional call centres this doesn't happen - because the managers won't fire the worst culprits as they're pets - and their **** acting helps the managers stats.


    I've worked in a few places - I've worked in places where most of the agents were thick as vegetables. And there was only a handful of agents who knew anything or could fix anything. On average it would take 6 or 7 calls before you could get through to someone who had a clue.

    I have a friend working in tech support at the minute. He doesn't have a clue about computers. He doesn't own one or have any interest in them. He thinks it's hilarious. He just makes up stuff and chats up the customers - says try that and if it doesn't work call back. It's a joke and the management know he doesn't have a clue. They don't care. It's the way the world works.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    Problem is, on the flip side, that as a customer who needs tech support it is insanely frustrating when the people you're talking to are very clearly reading lines from a preprepared list and have no knowledge themselves of how the product actually works. If I bought a laptop and it's ****ed up, when I call tech support I'm hoping to talk to someone who actually understands what's wrong with it.

    Don't even get me started on the number fo times you'll ring up and be answered by someone whose English is so poor that even if they DO actually understand the problem, there's no way in hell you can understand the answer!!!

    Problem is....the Customer Reps are expected to be an expert in every area...the various laptop/pc hardware configuration, multiple operating systems, networks, security & potentially quite a lot of applications. And yes, they do read from scripts and for good reason. Following the steps in those scripts/Problem Determination sheets actually solves are large percentage of the reported issues. If the rep can't fix the issue, they then escalate to someone who is an expert in the particular area related to this issue. The person you 1st speak to is there to solve basic/common issues and then escalate the more complex issues to the relevant experts.

    When I was a CSR, my team supported 1643 applications, many of which were in VM (Virtual Machines). Imagine trying to support 100's of applications that run in what looks like a DOS window, and not ever getting any training in them. Nightmare.

    As for the language thing.....yes, that's a big problem. The irony is that many commercial/customer facing helpdesks have to contact their companies internal helpdesk when they themselves need hardware/software support and these 'internal helpdesks' are increasingly located in India/China/Poland/Hungary. So Customer Reps end based in who are in Ireland/UK actually end up suffering the same way!

    I think the biggest problem here is not the CSR's or the customers. It's the companies who don't give enough training to those CSR's, expect miracles from them and then only pay them €18,000-22,000 per year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 yours


    I remember a couple of years ago i placed an add in the autotrader to sell my car, i deliberately didnt put in a location as my parents lived two hours away and i worked somewhere else.

    Anyway I got a call from one of the car magazines who got my number on the autotrader telling me they knew of 20 people in my area very interested in my car, god i had such fun when i asked him what area, even after 10 mins he couldnt work his way out of that one.

    A couple of years before that i got a call from the same company, was selling my previous car, after a long hard sell, he pushed me into buying it, i explained i hadnt got a credit card, he didnt believe me, after forceful selling he got my debit card saying that it would do, when he put in the number and it didnt work he started demanding a credit card number when i again said i didnt have one, he hung up on me.

    Defo I think a lot of these are liars and will say or do anything to push a sale.

    On the other hand, I aint biased, I worked in a call centre for about 8 months, yes it was tough, but at the same time people were very frustrated as something wasnt working, i just had to put up with it and forget about it, at the end of the day, i was being paid for it!:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    krd wrote: »
    You are an arsehole - have you ever thought of trying to control your temper?

    You are also terminally stupid if you think shouting at a call centre agent, thick or otherwise is going to help your case.

    Anyway I tell you a little something that goes on in call centres - re complaints.

    The customer service manager always likes to look good. Most of these people are very stupid and lazy. But they have an animal cunning. I've known of situations in call centres where agents were threatened with the sack if they logged customer complaints. All your huffing and puffing goes nowhere, only into the ears of the poor agent, who's likely been listening all day to whinging arseholes.

    Look at the world around you. Do you see honesty and integrity. Or do you see a world of pillocky booky men and woman - bull****ters, lazy people, stupid people, mean people. People who go out of their way to do everything they do in life badly. What kind of person are you?

    Banned for abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Diapason


    krd wrote: »
    You are an arsehole - have you ever thought of trying to control your temper?

    You could certainly do with controlling your posting style. I don't think namecalling is big or clever.

    I can control my temper as well as the next man, but if faced with continued incompetence I'm going to get annoyed. If the person on the other end of the line is understanding and genuinely trying to help, but their hands are tied for whatever reason, then that's one thing. If the person in question makes it perfectly clear that they don't give a sh*t about my problem and have no intention of helping, why should I continue with sweetness and light? Just so we're clear on this, I've never insulted anyone, but I've certainly let them know I'm dissatisfied with their service and angry at the way I'm being treated. It's not the same thing.
    krd wrote: »
    You are also terminally stupid if you think shouting at a call centre agent, thick or otherwise is going to help your case.

    I never said anything about shouting, but being forceful often pays dividends. It certainly does more than meekly hanging up and walking away. Sometimes you have to *demand* better service before you get it. It's a shame, but that's the way it is.

    Ultimately, people who don't like dealing with customers shouldn't get jobs dealing with customers. Of course, when it comes to call centres we're expected to believe that customers are ALWAYS the ignorant ones, and that the call centres are staffed by fully trained professionals waiting eagerly to solve our problems and help us on our way with a cheery word. I have started many a call to a call centre in a very positive way, only to be treated like dirt. I don't really care what the person has had to deal with before me.
    krd wrote: »
    What kind of person are you?

    The kind who understands the nature of my job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    its not even that abusive - just this kinda tone they have with us - bitternes mainly I think.

    on a second issue- why can't customers read the manual?? all issues are resolved there. Thats all I do to fix the issue.

    I had a silly woman this morning that wanted to know how to type in capital ie uppercase NUMBERS

    Im not silly and Im keepin you in a job. I will phone again tomorrow to ask how to type in joined up writing.:D

    ps! us women are not that stupid, she was probably asking for a man.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    hondasam wrote: »

    ps! us women are not that stupid, she was probably asking for a man.

    Where did they say that women in general are stupid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    Nah


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Magenta wrote: »
    Where did they say that women in general are stupid?

    where did who say that women in general are stupid ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    I agree with you.At the same time I understand the root of the problem.

    People call a support or customer service line expecting support or service.Too often the person at the other end is not in anyway empowered to help with the customers needs.

    I believe that this is by design.It is a form of buffering against incurring after-profit expenses on a sold product or service.Think of it as a hurdle for would-be cost incurrers.It eliminates a sizeable amount of them who lack the time and/or energy to try and pursue the matter further.Going to court against a big company with elite representation is a big leap from getting frustrated with a call centre staff who cannot help you.

    I've noticed a lot of companies have outsourced to India.Indian's make great call centre employees as they are unreservedly polite,infinitely patient and too forgiving.

    I had an issue with Microsoft after buying a Zune and got through to India where the operator seemed to hold himself personally responsible and wholly apologetic for anything ever done wrong by his employer, but was nonetheless, unable to help me.

    I actually told him that I was going to abuse him and everything he held dear whilst eating a steak, if he apologised once more to me for something he could not atone for in his capacity as a Microsoft employee.

    After about 40 mins of me slowly and politely cracking up,and within seconds of me really exploding the guy says,"Sir I would like to transfer you to Level 2 Support"WTF?

    Next I get Brad or Todd or some smarmy American who tried to plamass me for about 3 seconds before I erupted.Todd? apologised and pacified me by telling me everything was sorted.

    What's puzzling me is why Todd was permitted to do for me what the Indian kid was not.And,why didn't Todd answer the fcuking phone in the first place.

    Also can anyone tell me,if Todd couldn't have helped me, how many more levels of 'support' could I possibly have had to fight my way into and through to get a resolution.

    It's like that old arcade game 'Kung Fu Master' except you don't liberate the kidnapped princess if you get to the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    This sums up everything about call centres:

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/customer_service


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭bluecatmorgana


    maglite wrote: »
    You actually sound like the type of person i hate to get onto, dont care, dont want to be there, going through a script no manners, no tack no nothing,


    Are you surprised people hate you. Have a look at how the american call centers and the good India centers threat people... You might learn something.


    I think you are showing whats really on your mind.:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭KonFusion


    I used to work in a call center doing mostly market research over the phone. An absolutely horrid job.

    We had a quota to meet each week, and if we didn't meet it, we got the boot. We also had a set number of calls to make per day, and if we didn't, we''d once again get the boot.

    To be honest, you almost can't be too surprised when their totally uninterested in the call. After a certain amount of time, and a certain amount of abuse, I just stopped caring, until eventually I just got up and walked out in the middle of a call. Really awful job.

    So when I get such calls myself, I try and be polite, but if I'm not in the mood, I'll just say I'm not interested and hang up. No need to abuse the poor person.

    If they ring back however...then let rip :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    KonFusion wrote: »
    I used to work in a call center doing mostly market research over the phone. An absolutely horrid job.

    We had a quota to meet each week, and if we didn't meet it, we got the boot. We also had a set number of calls to make per day, and if we didn't, we''d once again get the boot.

    To be honest, you almost can't be too surprised when their totally uninterested in the call. After a certain amount of time, and a certain amount of abuse, I just stopped caring, until eventually I just got up and walked out in the middle of a call. Really awful job.

    So when I get such calls myself, I try and be polite, but if I'm not in the mood, I'll just say I'm not interested and hang up. No need to abuse the poor person.

    If they ring back however...then let rip :P
    I done the same. Everyone has their limit working in those hell hole. The only job that could possibly be worse would be door to door sales.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭lamai


    I work in a call centre taking calls all day from ye guys. Please stop abusing me. I have worked in many call centres and its always the same. People think because we are on the phone they can say what they want to us and we don't get bothered by it - we do.
    People think they can talk to us like dirt and it is acceptable - its not. We are real people who are just workiing in poorly paid jobs to avoid drawing the dole in most cases. We have no personal interest in your problems and the less you abuse us the faster we can fix them.

    Thanks

    You have just held up another person in the cue by writing that post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Cold callers are fair game. A wonderful opportunity to exercise your ever growing lexicon of insults.

    As for call centre workers that you ring up, as long as they are polite you should be polite back to them. If they are not polite then they deserve anything said back to them in reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Shellygoose


    A part of my soul died when I worked in an outbound sales call centre...never again!!

    dont mind the inbound calls so much. Callers are looking for information/assistance and (because its my job) i have no problem in helping them in whatever way i can. What i do have a problem is the abuse that I can get....there is just no need for it! Im not going to go out of my way to help some loud foul mouthed person.

    My Irish Mammy always said "if you dont have anything nice dont say anything at all", and you should "treat people as you would like to be treated"....ah you gotta love the Irish mammies :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    It just dawned on me that I might have misinterpreted the kind of call centre workers the OP meant.

    If it's the kind who call me, unsolicited to sell me something,then I have a totally opposite view.Those leaches should get a real fcuking job, or just go on the dole.Take your pay out of taxpayers money and stop wasting people's time.Don't call me I'll call you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    I just don't see why people can't be polite (on both sides of the phonecall). If someone shouts abuse at me, you can be garunteed I'll go 20 times slower than if someone is nice. Just basic manners.
    Agreed.

    Be nice: I'll tell you about openoffice.org

    Be a cúnt: I'll tell you that if you reinstall Windows, and you can MS Office for another 30 days free...

    If you're a lazy cúnt: Sure, we'll fix the problem for you. We'll bring the machine in, and fix the machine, like new...

    ...we'll just forget to tell you that your machine will be wiped, and your hard drive may even be replaced for good measure.

    You'd be surprised at the amount of people who run businesses, and not make backups of their data. The machine is 2 months old. They have 10 years of data on it, but no backup? Where did you get the last 9 years or so of data from?

    =-=

    I've had people threaten to come over, and wait for me outside my place of work. My response: "sure, when can I expect you". I've never heard an angry customer STFU so quick :D

    =-=

    There was at least one bomb threat whilst I was working there.
    Calm logical arguments and clear concise details help greatly. And a simple reminding at the start of the message that you are recording this call but "not to worry, as you do this with all calls as a matter of procedure" makes the world of difference.
    We'd just hang up. Although by speaking to us, you agree that that your calls may be recorded, I never agreed to be recorded by you.

    You think I've something to hide? No. It's because they could simply cut the "not" from the sentence "we will not you" so that it says "we will refund you".
    Greyfox wrote: »
    The problem is to survive in a call centre you have to take about 60 calls a day and the only way you can deal with 60 queries a day is if your fobbing some people off, if you take 40 calls and deal with these 40 customers brilliantly your underperforming as your only dealing with a dissapointing 40 queries.
    When you stop giving a flying f**k, you'll find you do the job better, and you'll get more happy people. I agree some companies run by these SLA's and stats, and they're most likely the same companies with a bad rep.
    krd wrote: »
    He thinks it's hilarious. He just makes up stuff and chats up the customers - says try that and if it doesn't work call back. It's a joke and the management know he doesn't have a clue. They don't care. It's the way the world works.
    I get these people sacked :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Those leaches should get a real fcuking job, or just go on the dole.Take your pay out of taxpayers money and stop wasting people's time.Don't call me I'll call you.

    Homeless? Thank you, but no thanks for the advice ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    KonFusion wrote: »
    I used to work in a call center doing mostly market research over the phone. An absolutely horrid job.
    I did that - lasted four half shifts. Horrendous.

    I'd hate to be unemployed, but I'd still prefer it to cold-calling, door-to-door sales and chugging.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭YumDeiseMum


    krudler wrote: »
    We had a guy who was obsessed with feet, he used to ring in asking girls what kind of socks or tights they had on and if their feet smelled nice, he was an oddball to say the least. Then there was the guy who said if I didnt give him a euro free credit he'd kill himself, sometimes the crazies help you get through the day. Also as a general rule the later in the day it gets, the more mental people become, someone at 9am is usually calling about a bill or some general issue, someone ringing at 9pm is pissed, looking for someone to chat to or a sexual deviant.

    i'm thinking i worked in the same call centre as you! unless there's more than one foot guy out there :eek: perish the thought!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭itac


    Used to work in one in the U.K. dealing with NHS & Tax Credits etc.

    Like any workplace, you're always going to get some utter a$$holes complaining, but once they hit hysterical complaints, all you can do is laugh.

    Some fond memories....
    -The guy who wanted to take Tony Blair and I to court because he was on the incorrect tax credits.
    -the woman who wrote a long letter in tiny writing using both sides of 5 post it notes
    -the guy who started to describe what he wanted to do to the sound of my voice.
    -the woman who couldn't understand why we wouldn't send someone round to fix her back door because she had a medical card.
    -the funny family in Belfast, gave one of them my private number as his case was a little complex, then over the next 4 days, proceeded to receive calls from 4 of the family and 9 of the next door neighbours.

    I think it's easier to keep your head when calling them when you've worked in one, and know what it's like to be on the other end. If they got rid of targets, ie you must handle at least 15 calls in an hour etc, it'd make things easier for everyone. How and ever, something tells me that ain't gonna happen.

    Totally agree with Krudler though, sometimes the crazies make your day...:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    It just dawned on me that I might have misinterpreted the kind of call centre workers the OP meant.

    If it's the kind who call me, unsolicited to sell me something,then I have a totally opposite view.Those leaches should get a real fcuking job, or just go on the dole.Take your pay out of taxpayers money and stop wasting people's time.Don't call me I'll call you.

    Obvious troll is obvious.:rolleyes:

    Im currently working in an inbound call centre for an insurance company and have been for over a year,my options were this or the dole,ya,tough choice, so I do find it funny when people call up and get abusive.FFS,do these assholes not realise that they are abusing people that have access to their car or home insurance,they know where you live,have alot of personal details at their disposal eg bank account details.

    Of course it would only be the most unscrupulous of people that would abuse this information but I would say for all the telephone warriors out there,think twice before you get in a strop for no good reason.All it would take is one disgruntled employee to really give them something to bitch about.


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