Irish peoples double standards / hypocrisy

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 01:43PM #1

Ive noticed over the last year but particularly with two recent events that irish people seem to like to see strong protest or something meaningful when its abroad.
The two instances that come to mind are the paint pouring on harney and the driving of the truck up to the gates of the dail.

Most people complain that we are too passive when it comes to taking cut backs but when someone goes a little bit further to highlight their anger then many of the same people will condemn those actions .
Most Irish people applauded the French over the last two weeks for their actions over the last few weeks but if the same happened here people would be up in arms .
Does this irk anyone else? I think these people should decide what they would like to see .

Edit : how could i forget about the student protests , their was minimal violence here but by some of the reporting you would think ww3 had kicked off. Btw im not sure how many students were there with an intent of protesting my sister said they were drinking on the bus up and when the got back to the college there were free drinks for everyone

Noreen1 · 06-11-2010 01:46PM

I have no double standards.
I applaud those who engage in peaceful protest.

Noreen

bonerm · 06-11-2010 01:46PM

Maybe they're not the same people?

admiralofthefleet · 06-11-2010 01:56PM

bloody french, smell like garlic and say haw hee haw

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 01:57PM

bonerm wrote: »

Maybe they're not the same people?

Yes maybe but i got a general feeling of a distain for the actions i mentioned above and a general approval for the french protests . I heard people in the media saying "the french just know who to protest" and " its a throwback to the revolution"
Leaving the comparison aside even , it seems that all you hear on say joe duffy is people giving out about things and then last week when someone went and highlighted their issues the same people come with their accusations. I heard the girl ( her name escapes me ) who threw the paint on duffy's show never got a fair hearing from the start . Connolly biggest fan never gave her a chance , he dosent seem to believe in the use violence , oh the hypocrisy

phasers · 06-11-2010 02:06PM

Most Irish people applauded the French over the last two weeks

Really? I think they're eejits

Riamfada · 06-11-2010 02:08PM

The French chopped the heads off their ruling classes and then went to war with the rest of Europe to find more people to kill. French are crazy!

*historical facts may not be entirely factual

amacachi · 06-11-2010 02:09PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Ive noticed over the last year but particularly with two recent events that irish people seem to like to see strong protest or something meaningful when its abroad.
The two instances that come to mind are the paint pouring on harney and the driving of the truck up to the gates of the dail.

Most people complain that we are too passive when it comes to taking cut backs but when someone goes a little bit further to highlight their anger then many of the same people will condemn those actions .
Most Irish people applauded the French over the last two weeks for their actions over the last few weeks but if the same happened here people would be up in arms .
Does this irk anyone else? I think these people should decide what they would like to see .

Edit : how could i forget about the student protests , their was minimal violence here but by some of the reporting you would think ww3 had kicked off. Btw im not sure how many students were there with an intent of protesting my sister said they were drinking on the bus up and when the got back to the college there were free drinks for everyone

Don't confuse the number of people with how loud and how much they speak.

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 02:09PM

phasers wrote: »

Really? I think they're eejits

How could i forget you make up 51% of the population

RGDATA! · 06-11-2010 02:09PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Yes maybe but i got a general feeling of a distain for the actions i mentioned above

i get the opposite, i guess it depends on who you're talking to

Dr_Phil · 06-11-2010 02:10PM

It's not the Irish, it's people in general.
Well, as a matter of fact societies go to sh*t these days.

Barna77 · 06-11-2010 02:10PM

What about deporting illegal foreigners from Ireland, but at the same time the Irish government wants the US to regularise all the illegal Irish over there?

Double standard winner.

slimjimmc · 06-11-2010 02:10PM

It's easy to applaud something when it doesn't directly affect you. I wonder if those people who were stuck in airports, train stations, stuck in blocked roads or staying near the protest areas were cheering the protesters on.

Many French protests are peaceful but plenty aren't, I don't think these are the kind of images we should be looking forward to seeing

(ok the 407 on fire excluded

).

bizmark · 06-11-2010 02:13PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

How could i forget you make up 51% of the population

Do you?

ejmaztec · 06-11-2010 02:14PM

There seems to be a lot of protest-begrudgery in Ireland. There are so many different groups protesting about this, that and the other (mostly the other), and no group gets universal support across the country.

Here is a collection of comments made by the man in the street after hearing about a protest:

1 Fucking farmers!
2 Fucking students!
3 Fucking teachers!
4 Fucking shinners!
5 Fucking nurses!
6 Fucking unions!
7 Fucking tree-hugging hippies!

etc etc etc.

Now, if all these groups got together, it would be different, but that's not going to happen, is it?

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 02:18PM

RGDATA! wrote: »

i get the opposite, i guess it depends on who you're talking to

My friends and family agree with the actions taken in the french protests and the recent protests here but im pretty sure we are in the minority.
Maybe it is decenting voices that are heard the loudest

amacachi · 06-11-2010 02:20PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

protest-begrudgery

14 replies, I'm disappointed AH.

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 02:23PM

bizmark wrote: »

Do you?

No

muffy · 06-11-2010 02:23PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of protest-begrudgery in Ireland. There are so many different groups protesting about this, that and the other (mostly the other), and no group gets universal support across the country.

Here is a collection of comments made by the man in the street after hearing about a protest:

1 Fucking farmers!
2 Fucking students!
3 Fucking teachers!
4 Fucking shinners!
5 Fucking nurses!
6 Fucking unions!
7 Fucking tree-hugging hippies!

etc etc etc.

Now, if all these groups got together, it would be different, but that's not going to happen, is it?

Well all these groups together is what happens in France, I like to think it ccould work here but I'm not so sure... even the students are divided, have to move away from USI to effectively protest, they're just careerist gasbags. The French are good at solidarity.

maxxie · 06-11-2010 02:26PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

My friends and family agree with the actions taken in the french protests and the recent protests here but im pretty sure we are in the minority.
Maybe it is decenting voices that are heard the loudest

Im with you!

How to unite the voices of the people who really care about Ireland?

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 02:26PM

slimjimmc wrote: »

It's easy to applaud something when it doesn't directly affect you. I wonder if those people who were stuck in airports, train stations, stuck in blocked roads or staying near the protest areas were cheering the protesters on.

Many French protests are peaceful but plenty aren't, I don't think these are the kind of images we should be looking forward to seeing

(ok the 407 on fire excluded ).

Im over simplifying here you cant make an omlette without breaking the eggs. Do you think people should not protest because of the consequences?

Rabble Rabble · 06-11-2010 02:29PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Ive noticed over the last year but particularly with two recent events that irish people seem to like to see strong protest or something meaningful when its abroad.
The two instances that come to mind are the paint pouring on harney and the driving of the truck up to the gates of the dail.

Most people complain that we are too passive when it comes to taking cut backs but when someone goes a little bit further to highlight their anger then many of the same people will condemn those actions .
Most Irish people applauded the French over the last two weeks for their actions over the last few weeks but if the same happened here people would be up in arms .
Does this irk anyone else? I think these people should decide what they would like to see .

Edit : how could i forget about the student protests , their was minimal violence here but by some of the reporting you would think ww3 had kicked off. Btw im not sure how many students were there with an intent of protesting my sister said they were drinking on the bus up and when the got back to the college there were free drinks for everyone

It's possibly two different sets of Irish people. Not all Irish people being equal.

Personally I think the French protests are nuts. They elected a government, let it govern. Policy by street protests are nonsense, the people on the street are a tiny fraction of the population.

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 02:36PM

maxxie wrote: »

Im with you!

How to unite the voices of the people who really care about Ireland?

Naturally its the well off or powerful people who like the status quo and the less powerful peoples voice are not often heard and they arent low enough to engage on the joeeeeeeeeeee duffyyyyyyyyyyy show , the people who i hear on that show often repulse me.

Mrmoe · 06-11-2010 02:38PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of protest-begrudgery in Ireland. There are so many different groups protesting about this, that and the other (mostly the other), and no group gets universal support across the country.

Here is a collection of comments made by the man in the street after hearing about a protest:

1 Fucking farmers!
2 Fucking students!
3 Fucking teachers!
4 Fucking shinners!
5 Fucking nurses!
6 Fucking unions!
7 Fucking tree-hugging hippies!

etc etc etc.

Now, if all these groups got together, it would be different, but that's not going to happen, is it?

You can get a cream for that, I think it's called fukitol.

ejmaztec · 06-11-2010 02:39PM

amacachi wrote: »

14 replies, I'm disappointed AH.

You're just a begrudger:P

maxxie · 06-11-2010 02:43PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Naturally its the well off or powerful people who like the status quo and the less powerful peoples voice are not often heard and they arent low enough to engage on the joeeeeeeeeeee duffyyyyyyyyyyy show , the people who i hear on that show often repulse me.

My granny listens to it, hasnt a clue about anything but religion but will argue you into the ground about everything

Sharkey 10 · 06-11-2010 02:46PM

maxxie wrote: »

My granny listens to it, hasnt a clue about anything but religion but will argue you into the ground about everything

Yes my granny used to love it , giving out about everything but with little knowledge to back it up

ejmaztec · 06-11-2010 02:47PM

muffy wrote: »

Well all these groups together is what happens in France, I like to think it ccould work here but I'm not so sure... even the students are divided, have to move away from USI to effectively protest, they're just careerist gasbags. The French are good at solidarity.

I think the last time that people from different groups got together here was in 1916, but now the "glory-hunters" are too self-obsessed to join with anyone.

slimjimmc · 06-11-2010 02:57PM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Im over simplifying here you cant make an omlette without breaking the eggs. Do you think people should not protest because of the consequences?

I'm saying it's easy for people over here to approve of something that's happening somewhere else when it doesn't directly affect them. People attitudes tend to change when it starts disrupting their own lives. If you're (not you personally) stuck in traffic for hours waiting for a protest to pass off I doubt you'll be cheering in support especially if you have no enthusiasm for whatever they're protesting about.

Indeed people are free to protest peacefully about whatever they like, but that doesn't mean they have popular support for it. Sometimes violence is effective at introducing change and may be appropriate (e.g. bringing down a dictatorial government to be replaced with a democratically elected one) but there would have be some really serious gains and popular support for it to be justified, imo.

mikom · 06-11-2010 02:58PM

♫ Double standards show you care.
Twice as much
Twice as much ♫

muffy · 06-11-2010 03:53PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think the last time that people from different groups got together here was in 1916, but now the "glory-hunters" are too self-obsessed to join with anyone.

And people give out when certain groups joins protests..."why are they hi-jacking it?"...it's called solidarity, get a dictionary.

Irish peoples double standards / hypocrisy

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