Students attack Leinster house with Mars Bars

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

They were NOT intentionally sheilding them, a crowd of Sinn Féin knackers decided to come along to the DoF protest and stir more sh*t by throwing stuff. Government buildings were not attached, a DoF spokeswomen said in the Into today that there was no security issue until the Gardaí arrived. You were not there, you didn't see what happened. I know very respectable people who were in the sit down protest that day from places like Trinity and UCD and did not to cause trouble. They were not thugs.

Who are the people being thrown out of the Dept. of Finance Building then?

Those scenes outside that building aren't the actions of respectable people.

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-REt8kCjCRo

That video is awesome.
It has everything. It's like Die Hard in 2 and a half minutes.
There's the hot chick being abducted by hostile government forces, the token black guy, the party scene, the violence and a few other things I've forgotten since watch ing it.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I wasn't at the protest today, I actually woke up late and missed it.

But I want to address one recurring theme in this thread and something which has actually pissed me off for a long time, even before today:

Where the **** do people get the idea that the gards have a right to order you around when you're not breaking the law?

A public place is a public place. It is not a crime to stand at any point in a public place UNLESS you are causing trouble.
So whan a gard says "move along" or "go home", why the F.UCK should I? I'm breaking no laws. There's no curfew in this country. Unless it can be proven that I am actually breaking the law, IMO I have NO obligation to go ANYWHERE.

This isn't in relation to breaking in to the department of finance. It's just in relation to the general "if a gard tells you to move, move" BS in this thread. I'll ****ing well obey the law, but that's ALL. My allegiance is to the law itself, not to the people who are enforcing it. Therefore if I am breaking no law doing what I'm doing, I see no reason whatsoever why I should pay them any attention.

Obviously if I'm interfering with someone else this doesn't apply, but in general, the gards don't have the right to enforce no go areas or curfews. At least in principle they don't. In practice they do it all the time. Like clearing Grafton street at a certain time in the morning after a night out. It's a ****ing public street. OUR public street. There's no curfew which says "this street must be emptied of pedestrians by X time."

Ask me to move and I will (politely but firmly) ask you to cite what law I am in violation of by remaining where I am.

Judging by this post, you're the sort of person who would have fitted right in with those breakaway clowns.

If you're standing around in the middle of Grafton Street at 4am after a night out, then chances are you are drunk.
Off the top of my head, you're drunk in a public place and you're loitering.

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and say that you're just talking with friends. You are now putting yourself in danger of being attacked by the usual violent dicks knocking around at that hour.
This is another reason for the Gardaí to ask you to move on.

You're well able to defend yourself, you say?
Why the fúck would you want to stand around an area in which you are at risk of being attacked, even if you can defend yourself?

iamstop wrote: »

Try to watch this an not feel the garda over reacted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnoAY1wXfI

The Gardaí in now way over-reacted in that video.
You can clearly see at the start theat people were provoking them by verbally abusing them, kicking them and pushing them.

Also visible is the long haired crustie from the north who made an appearance in another video trying to make out that he had done nothing to deserve the baton smack he recieved.

If you check the end of the clip, you'll see that one of the students is quite clearly drunk. He's swaying back and forth whilst talking to the Garda. To claim that all the students were sober and peaceful (lets' be honest, some people tend to get violent when drunk) is naive at best. You can also hear someone shout out "Wanker" in what is clearly a country accent too. Don't go blaming the Dubs (I'm not one) on all of this either.

I got a laugh out of the sight seeing bus driving by too.


Now here's a little tip for all of you wanna-be rebel students out there.
However, before I continue I would like to point out that I have the utmost respect for those who engaged in the peaceful protest.
You made an impact. It may have only been a small one, but if it inspires outher who are being screwed over by the government, then it will have been well and truly woth it. Kudos to you.

When a Garda tells you to move, then you fúcking move. Don't tell them that you're waiting for a friend, or you have the right to be there or whatever. Just move. Go somewhere else. Anywhere else.

If you don't move, then you run the risk of being arrested for public order offences. All well and good when you're 18 and think you know everything, but you'll regret it when you grow up. Just remember that nobody will ever know everything. Except for me, but I'm better than all of you.

I've seen this countless times over the year.
Like most of you, I grew up in a small town. Very little trouble and very little negative interaction with the Gardaí. I did hang around with the local trouble makers for a few months though.
I remember a Garda telling us to move on from outside the local chippers one night. We were all drunk and stoned. The mouthpiece* of the group piped up and began going on and on about civil rights and all that other hippie crap.
He got a slap for his efforts.

I was then taken aside by a Ban Garda. She saw that I was a few years younger than the others and told me that I would be better off not hanging around with them. I just nodded my head and tried not to look drunk. I was only 14.
After the Gardai were gone, the sane member of the group asked me what she had said. I told him, and he said that she was right, so I moved on. A year later I was the mouthpiece of the next generation of local trouble makers.

For the next two years I was in the back of a squad car more times than I care to remember. I was also knocked around by the Gardaí, but I deserved it every time.
If you think that being down €20 a week will lower your self esteem, then try spending the night in the drunk tank. It's basically a small room with a toilet on the floor and walls covered with excrement. The rest of the room, including the bed, is covered in urine. The previous occupants quite clearly preferred anywhere but the toilet when they had to go.

This is what happens when the Gardaí tell you to move and you disobey their orders.

The next time you decide to play Gandhi, remember that you're just an everyday jackass in a democratic country where most of the people don't give a flying fúck what happens to you when you're sitting in the middle of the street, and not the inspirational leader of a country of Hundreds of Millions who is fighting off the oppression of the British Empire.

Heed my words when I tell you that disobeying the orders of the Gardaí will land you in a cell with the people you most despise (you know, the knackers that you are always mouthing off about).
You will not be a hero when your potential employers check your records. You'll just be another of those dole bums you are always whining about.

If you want to overthrow the government, you would want to have a much better plan than a sit-in in the DoF. I'd suggest garnering the support of the majority of the country, building a small army, armin yourself to the teeth, and then storming Leinster house and various other places of interest.

Or, you know, just don't vote for FF or FG at the next election.

You're welcome.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I don't agree with the Baggot street protest as I thought that they were going to be counter-productive in the first place but I believe that the Gardaí were using excessive force on the Sit down protesters, not the sinn féiners and drunk clowns. I'm sorry but my opinions aren't going to be changed on that just because a couple of know-it-alls decide to desend on boards.ie and say what they think happened just because they saw a couple of videos. The whole incident happened over 1 hour not a 9 minute video. You're just assuming, have you actually spoken to any of the sit down protester and got a real account?

Overheal puts it nicely on the politics forum;



The decision to have the sit down protest where it was was not planned out properly, my argument is against the people who claim that everyone on baggot street that day were looking for trouble and inciting violence, which they weren't. This is questioning the sit down protesters integrity.

That's why I mentioned naieve.

Some "innocent" people are going to get hurt with "rent a mobbers" like that around.

Chalk it down to experience and next time, move on, when it looks like these thugs are starting.

Expecting nobody to get hurt, including the odd innocent bystander is nice, idyllic and touching, but not real world stuff.

k_mac wrote: »

In the videos you can see the ones sitting down were the same ones who had just before hand been kicking the Gardaí and charging the lines.

Shh. You're pointing out the obvious.
The video was edited to make it look like the Gardaí were the instigators of violence, but the editor ****ed up by leaving in the first bit.

The crusties just want to see the Gardaí being violent. They have deliberately ignored the start of the clip.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Oh and you think that some sinn féiners weren't going to try and blend in to avoid arrest. The only person I noticed was who was attacking the Gardaí before sitting down was one ginger guy. This was not the case with everyone. The protest was hijacked by thugs. I'm not going to stand by and have people I know who are not naturally violent and I know to be very good natured be called thugs.

Hi. I'm Terry.
It's nice to meet you, Mr. I know every single student in the country.
Thank you for pointing out that all of those causing trouble were not students.
SF look forward to getting 1,000 votes from all those present outside the DoF.

EvilMonkey wrote: »

I hope An Garda Síochána use all these videos to identify the hard men throwing stuff from the crowd and prosecute them.

Throwing stuff at the horses in the mounted unit should count as assaulting a guard.

I was wondering this myself, in many other countries it would be done but not sure about here.

Seaneh wrote: »

And that's bad form, but many, many more non-violent protesters were injured..

Were they? How many? What kinds of injuries? How many were directly inflicted by gardaí? Remember the last kerfuffle up at the gates of Leinster House... we saw a fella being brought away with a bloody face... apparently the gardaí had tried to crack his skull... only problem was he was caught on video getting injured and it was one of his fellow protestors who gave him a smack.

Seaneh wrote: »

In his post he says, "when a garda tells you to move you move" implying that the garda ALWAYS have a right to tell you what to do. this is not true. I was replying on that context..

In general it's a good rule of thumb to follow instructions. Chances are if a garda is telling you to move along they have good reason.

Seaneh wrote: »

I never said the garda used excessive force, I said "People have been saying that the garda used excessive force". I didn't give my opinion either way.

That's why I said no one who claimed it had been able to back it up properly.