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Student Protest Kicks Off (see video only posts warning)

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  • #122
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    gingelion wrote: »
    Students probably dont run those parties though and they've got their own agenda that more than likely isn't based on education.

    And you base that opinion on what exactly? Students protesting fees waving a Teletubbies flag are still just students protesting fees. I guess just because they were flying SF and SWP flags it's so much easier to jump to conclusions, isn't it?


  • #123
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Obviously. That's why so many Gardaí were injured and had to be taken to hospital. :rolleyes:

    Thankfully the Public Order gear the lads were wearing protected them from attacks by the students.


  • #124
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,551 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    It seems protest was hi-jacked alright, but the sight of gardaí on horseback cantering down O' Connell street towards protestors does not make for a good "sound bite."


  • #125
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    Poccington wrote: »
    Thankfully the Public Order gear the lads were wearing protected them from attacks by the students.


    There were many Gardaí not wearing the gear and yet none were injured. Your logic fails. That gear is used to intimidate protesters more than to protect the people wearing them.


  • #126
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Way to generalize there buddy. Are you still under the misconception that everyone benefited from the so-called "Celtic Tiger"?

    At most 1% of Irish people didn't benefit. Unfortunately it was a bubble at the end so we need to grow up and admit we didn't earn the things we claim we did.


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  • #127
    The After Hours Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭The After Hours Troll


    Poccington wrote: »
    Thankfully the Public Order gear the lads were wearing protected them from attacks by the students.
    Pathetic comments defending the gardai.

    They are the thugs that are causing harm, alot more peaceful protestors have been injured by the gardai thugs in this instance than the 2 gardai.

    Look at the pictures the evidence is there but go on ignore it and continue to use your agenda.


  • #128
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Poccington wrote: »
    I swore an oath to this country, did you?

    So you go ahead and try overthrow the Government by force, there's a couple of thousand people who swore the same oath as I did that'll make sure your grand plan falls flat on it's face.

    Thankfully, you'll do nothing more than talk tough on an Internet forum so all's well that ends well etc.

    Well as many of your fellow soldiers would say, oaths mean feck all to many people. Just ask the "Irish" in the BA.

    TBH I hardly expect anyone to violently overthrow the government. But if the vast majority were prepared to do so, I doubt the DF would be able to stop them.


  • #129
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Overheal wrote: »
    Long before Coup there are still many dozens of avenues that are not being explored. Those that are ready to lunge to that extreme deserve anything but "freedom".
    Revolution! Or just fiscal restraint, I'm easy.


  • #130
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Obviously. That's why so many Gardaí were injured and had to be taken to hospital. :rolleyes:
    Then *don't* break into Finance? Throw **** at the police? Play nose-boxing with them? Maybe?


  • #131
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    The After Hours Troll wrote: »
    Pathetic comments defending the gardai.

    They are the thugs that are causing harm, alot more peaceful protestors have been injured by the gardai thugs in this instance than the 2 gardai.

    Look at the pictures the evidence is there but go on ignore it and continue to use your agenda.

    You've seen the bottles and bricks and pieces of metal landing amongst the Gardaí outside the DoF yes?


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  • #132
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Well as many of your fellow soldiers would say, oaths mean feck all to many people. Just ask the "Irish" in the BA.

    TBH I hardly expect anyone to violently overthrow the government. But if the vast majority were prepared to do so, I doubt the DF would be able to stop them.

    Why would I ask Irish lads in the BA about an oath I swore?

    The DF wouldn't be able to stop them?

    I'm gonna go ahead and say we could.


  • #133
    The After Hours Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭The After Hours Troll


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    It seems protest was hi-jacked alright, but the sight of gardaí on horseback cantering down O' Connell street towards protestors does not make for a good "sound bite."

    What about the 20 rottweilers and attack dogs used to threaten peaceful protestors?

    Disgusting use of animals, in a situation like that. Cowardice as usual by the "guards".

    Where are the gardai in tough neighbourhoods in north dublin and limerick? Afraid to do anything. Laughable security and police force, foreign nationals must laugh at them.


  • #134
    gingelion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭gingelion


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    And you base that opinion on what exactly? Students protesting fees waving a Teletubbies flag are still just students protesting fees. I guess just because they were flying SF and SWP flags it's so much easier to jump to conclusions, isn't it?

    It's just an opinion, thats all i can offer. today i was a student protesting fees. i didnt see any need to wave any sf or swp flags about the place, nor did about 40000 other people. we went on a peaceful march wearing yellow t-shirts. i dont see a need to be waving those flags. as the student on the news earlier said. today was just about education, there was no need for people to cause any trouble.


  • #135
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    As much as I loathe the tea partiers, at least they only shout at rallies, they never engage in violence and are constantly cleaning up all their litter after themselves. Irish loons could learn a lot from American loons.


  • #136
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The After Hours Troll wrote: »
    Pathetic comments defending the gardai.

    They are the thugs that are causing harm, alot more peaceful protestors have been injured by the gardai thugs in this instance than the 2 gardai.

    Look at the pictures the evidence is there but go on ignore it and continue to use your agenda.
    Well gee Holmes, let's look at the facts.

    If these two were both engaged in a fight, who do you think will exit with more injuries?

    Police_officer_in_riot_gear.jpgVS. Beatnik_1.jpg
    Revolution! Or just fiscal restraint, I'm easy.
    __________________

    Frankly I'm still waiting for the disenfranchised to wake up and do something along the lines of forming its own political party to get the existing party removed by No Confidence. etc.


  • #137
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    There were many Gardaí not wearing the gear and yet none were injured. Your logic fails. That gear is used to intimidate protesters more than to protect the people wearing them.

    As someone who has worn Public Order kit quite a few times and has been on the recieving end of having everything from tires to lockers thrown at me, I can assure you that Public Order kit is used to protect the people wearing it.


  • #138
    boysinblack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭boysinblack


    I'll put money on that the ones arrested arent even students...

    If you look at that rte video its a group of scum in the front causing all the hasle , none of which had yellow shirts or bags ....probarly just dublin scum off the street that joined in to have a go at the 'pigs'........


  • #139
    The After Hours Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭The After Hours Troll


    amacachi wrote: »
    You've seen the bottles and bricks and pieces of metal landing amongst the Gardaí outside the DoF yes?

    You've seen innocent people punched, kicked and knocked to the floor while rabid dogs are pushed onto them about to bite.

    The pictures are there, and please get evidence of bricks being thrown. You won't find it, only in your mind. Must be the son of a "guard".


  • #140
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    There were many Gardaí not wearing the gear and yet none were injured. Your logic fails. That gear is used to intimidate protesters more than to protect the people wearing them.

    Tell you what, Poccington is actually in an organisation that trains in public order and crowd control. It would be a better idea were you to defer to his expertise on the role of the gear.


  • #141
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Poccington wrote: »
    Why would I ask Irish lads in the BA about an oath I swore?

    The DF wouldn't be able to stop them?

    I'm gonna go ahead and say we could.
    The point I was making is that not all soldiers pay heed to such Oaths.... Thus bringing up your Oath in a oneupmanship way is a load of rubbish tbh.

    Im gonna say you couldn't, if the vast majority of the populace rose up.


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  • #142
    The After Hours Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭The After Hours Troll


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well gee Holmes, let's look at the facts.

    If these two were both engaged in a fight, who do you think will exit with more injuries?

    Police_officer_in_riot_gear.jpgVS. Beatnik_1.jpg

    One paid to protect the people, yet attacking innocent civilians.

    Are you glorifying the police brutality today?


  • #143
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    Overheal wrote: »
    Then *don't* break into Finance? Throw **** at the police? Play nose-boxing with them? Maybe?

    Break into a publicly owned building? How is that even possible? If the Gardaí hadn't shown up the way they did they probably wouldn't have had things thrown at them. I don't even know what "nose-boxing" is so can't really reply to that. The Gardaí could have handled that situation much better and I'm surprised so many people here are actually trying to defend them. Anyway, there are many more protests to come and I'm sure we'll see what the Gardaí are really like when it's not just students they have to deal with.


  • #144
    Corsendonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Way to generalize there buddy. Are you still under the misconception that everyone benefited from the so-called "Celtic Tiger"? What about all the students whose parents have lost their jobs? What about the large number of students on €100 a week and are unable to find a job? You think they'll be able to afford the extra €1000 in fees?

    So the house, two cars, holiday home abroad, the winter ski-ing holiday, the big summer holiday and the two city breaks every year stopped them saving up for there kids fees? Thats just bad fiscal planning!

    Well I didn't benefit overly myself but I still fronted up for my college course while holding down a job. Couldn't afford a house cause I actually worked the figures out what I could afford. Should I be responsible for people that can't control or priortise there spending. Ohh of course it wasn't there fault, it was the banks and politicians.


  • #145
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    The After Hours Troll wrote: »
    You've seen innocent people punched, kicked and knocked to the floor while rabid dogs are pushed onto them about to bite.

    The pictures are there, and please get evidence of bricks being thrown. You won't find it, only in your mind. Must be the son of a "guard".

    ORLY?


  • #146
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    The point I was making is that not all soldiers pay heed to such Oaths.... Thus bringing up your Oath in a oneupmanship way is a load of rubbish tbh.

    Im gonna say you couldn't, if the vast majority of the populace rose up.

    I'm gonna say we could but we'll agree to disagree.


  • #147
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Break into a publicly owned building? How is that even possible? If the Gardaí hadn't shown up the way they did they probably wouldn't have had things thrown at them. I don't even know what "nose-boxing" is so can't really reply to that. The Gardaí could have handled that situation much better and I'm surprised so many people here are actually trying to defend them. Anyway, there are many more protests to come and I'm sure we'll see what the Gardaí are really like when it's not just students they have to deal with.

    So what you're saying is "The Gardai aren't going to be able to control the aggression in future!" You do realise what happens then, right? You really want to see it?


  • #148
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The After Hours Troll wrote: »
    You've seen innocent people punched, kicked and knocked to the floor while rabid dogs are pushed onto them about to bite.

    The pictures are there, and please get evidence of bricks being thrown. You won't find it, only in your mind. Must be the son of a "guard".
    1) Are they innocent? define innocence in the scenario. Breaking into Finance, assaulting the AGS with thrown objects? Thats innocence?

    2) I hardly think the AGS utilizes animals that are infected with Rabies.

    3) Nobody said bricks. I didn't. But there are several videos on-thread of objects being thrown at the AGS.
    One paid to protect the people, yet attacking innocent civilians.

    Are you glorifying the police brutality today?
    Innocent != attacking the Gardai
    Break into a publicly owned building? How is that even possible? If the Gardaí hadn't shown up the way they did they probably wouldn't have had things thrown at them. I don't even know what "nose-boxing" is so can't really reply to that. The Gardaí could have handled that situation much better and I'm surprised so many people here are actually trying to defend them. Anyway, there are many more protests to come and I'm sure we'll see what the Gardaí are really like when it's not just students they have to deal with.
    Putting my nose up against your nose. Invading your space. The definition of physical threat.

    As for the rest, I suggest you google Captain Hindsight. You're suggesting crazy off the wall solutions to this protest that are nowhere in SoP for Crowd Control. Such as, whimsically, only relying on undercover cops to make polite arrests to handle 20,000 people. Planned protest or not. Declared intentions or otherwise.


  • #149
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Poccington wrote: »
    I'm gonna say we could but we'll agree to disagree.
    As a final aside, would you? Lets say there are huge uprisings, would you go out and crush them, like the BA attempted to do in the north?


  • #150
    iamstop
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 13,445 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


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  • #151
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Overheal wrote: »
    Frankly I'm still waiting for the disenfranchised to wake up and do something along the lines of forming its own political party to get the existing party removed by No Confidence. etc.
    Too much effort and too many people don't want us to cut spending by enough.
    The After Hours Troll wrote: »
    You've seen innocent people punched, kicked and knocked to the floor while rabid dogs are pushed onto them about to bite.
    Where? I've seen a few videos from phones where neither the Gardaí nor the students are up to much and one on the RTE site where the Gardaí are removing people from the DoF under a hail of projectiles.
    The pictures are there, and please get evidence of bricks being thrown. You won't find it, only in your mind. Must be the son of a "guard".
    Seriously, have a look around the site for my views on the Gardaí before thinking that. I have a strong dislike for them but I have a stronger dislike for the ****ers who decided to try and start a riot for the buzz.


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