Dublin Bus....abuse

gurramok · 01-11-2010 01:30PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

but the elderly passenger will already have had a heart attack when he saw the driver trying to maim the cyclist

The bus driver was just driving the bus and a mad cyclist tries to sabotage the wheels of the bus by getting in the way

ThisRegard wrote: »

Opening the door on a stopped bus endangers passenger lives ? Come off it.

Nothing unusual for the motors forum to twist the initial dangerous actions of the bus driver into some other hysterical direction.

Motors forum?

Yes, endangering passenger lives. Buses have been hijacked by terrorists and the action by this cyclist could be shown as an act of terror against the bus.

rational · 01-11-2010 01:33PM

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QUOTE=Wicklowrider;68788277]1. It is NOT there for emergencies only. BTW attempting to squash a human would be a fair description of an emergency....

Its certainly not there for someone to open it up while he is on his bike and get into a confruntation with the bus driver. He had no right to do that and put himself and other passangers in potential danger.

He was so squashed and in shock that he managed to manover himself on his bike over to the emergency handle and open the door.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 01:34PM

rational wrote: »

Your own actions were irresponsible and stupid. You have no right to open the "emergency" door. Its for emergencies. Why you think you have the right to do that baffles me.

Again, please explain to the uneducated what emergency door the OP opened ?

01-11-2010 01:37PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The bus was obviously trying to get by you and found a break in the traffic to do so. There's approx 90 people in a bus, all of whom you were holding up.

It's ridiculous when a mass transit vehicle is held up by a single cyclist.
Let the buses go by.
I see this on the N4 a lot, where some cyclist is struggling on the Chapelizod bypass uphill sections, and the bus is stuck behind them.

I hate taxi drivers, but bus drivers are fine.

If you want to cycle safely move to Amsterdam.

By that "logic" a bus should be able to drive over a single occupant car or motorcycle, maybe a few pedestrians as well. Also there was no break in the traffic, because the op was traffic.

rational · 01-11-2010 01:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Both of you need to read the thread properly. The bus was empty.

Does not excuse tampering with property that is not yours and putting people in danger.

WHat if the cyclist was in the wrong in any situation? Would that make it okay for a driver to put his hands the cylists property to make a point?

CreepingDeath · 01-11-2010 01:38PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Help me out with this one CreepingDeath.

Sure, it's that way --->

rational · 01-11-2010 01:42PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Again, please explain to the uneducated what emergency door the OP opened ?

It does not matter what door he opened. I think everyone knows that we are talking about the main door and he opened the emergency release. SO its okay for people to open this door up when ever they see fit does it. Everyone with a grudge with a bus driver?? Its madness. Maybe when the bus is empty its okay but when 3 or more passangers are in it then its not.

Whatever the OPs problem was with the bus driver lost all credibility when he opened the door.

steddyeddy · 01-11-2010 01:42PM

Red Alert wrote: »

Sorry, cyclists, but you all cause most of your own problems. Blaming the bus man is childish. I've lost count of the number of cyclists who feel that the rules of the road only apply to buses and cars. I'm fed up of cyclists who take over the road, won't move a little to the left to allow a safe overtake, break red lights and give abuse to car drivers.

Also OP you were very very irresponsible to operate the emergency door release on the bus. It's there for emergencies only, and on some buses it's not straightforward to reset it. If you did that to the LUAS's one you could be facing a big fine and a possible court appearance. Your actions could have resulted in a prolonged and dangerous situation on the road, as well as inconveniencing the passengers onboard. No wonder cyclists have a bad name.

very true although I dont blame all cyclists but to open a emergency release door on a bus to shout at a driver and then to complain to us about health and safety is a bit rich

Blowfish · 01-11-2010 01:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Does not excuse tampering with property that is not yours and putting people in danger.

The only one putting anyone in actual danger was the bus driver...

gurramok · 01-11-2010 01:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Both of you need to read the thread properly. The bus was empty

Thats from the word of a cyclist who had irrational behaviour at the moment of the incident.

Did he do a count of the people on the bus?

Did he get on the bus, walk to the back checking all the seats and then run upstairs checking all the seats and then run back off whilst at the same time argue and give the finger to the driver? Grrr.:mad:

prinz · 01-11-2010 01:48PM

Dublin Bus Bye-Laws, confirmed by a number of Transport Acts..

No person except an authorised person shall open the doors of the vehicle except in the event of an accident or emergency. Niether of which apply here where the OP wanted an easier way to shout abuse at the driver it seems.

Two wrongs don't make a right in this case.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 01:49PM

Gurramok, for such a emotive thread I'm amazed that nobody has yet taken the bait you're laying in all your posts. Either we're all very mellow on this Monday morning or you've just lost your touch in trying to get a rise out of people

rational · 01-11-2010 01:49PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

What's this emergency door you speak of ? He opened the regular door with the external switch, while the bus was stopped. Now I haven't been on too many buses recently but I'm pretty sure they don't fall over and empty themselves of all their passengers when this happens.

If you were a bus driver and a punter just were allowed to open the door when ever the felt aggrevied how would you feel?

Any muppet who had a problem real or otherwise could just open the door and shout obsenities or otherwise.

The OP should have reported the driver and not got involved tampering with property that is not his.

01-11-2010 01:51PM

prinz wrote: »

Dublin Bus Bye-Laws, confirmed by a number of Transport Acts..

No person except an authorised person shall open the doors of the vehicle except in the event of an accident or emergency. Niether of which apply here where the OP wanted an easier way to shout abuse at the driver it seems.

Two wrongs don't make a right in this case.

Have to agree here. It would've been better just to move on and not engage in a shouting match OP, although that is easier said than done when someone has just endangered your life for no good reason.

rational · 01-11-2010 01:51PM

gurramok wrote: »

Thats from the word of a cyclist who had irrational behaviour at the moment of the incident.

Did he do a count of the people on the bus?

Did he get on the bus, walk to the back checking all the seats and then run upstairs checking all the seats and then run back off whilst at the same time argue and give the finger to the driver? Grrr.:mad:

Completly spot on there.

gurramok · 01-11-2010 01:52PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Gurramok, for such a emotive thread I'm amazed that nobody has yet taken the bait you're laying in all your posts. Either we're all very mellow on this Monday morning or you've just lost your touch in trying to get a rise out of people

LOL.

The cyclist should be sent to Guantanamo as an insurgent for attacking a vehicle of the state

Jaxxy · 01-11-2010 01:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You got completely the wrong end of the stick, gave out to him from your misinformed position, he retorts and you dismiss him by saying that its all irrelevant? Thats okay though,....

No, not really. I said it was irrelevant because he was comparing bus drivers using the door while on their breaks or stationary at the terminus to a cyclist opening the door while a bus was being driven and stopped at traffic lights. Not exactly the same thing now, is it?

Deleted User wrote: »

Next....

Okay...

Deleted User wrote: »

Incorrect, two wrongs don't make a right but the Bus driver should be held accountable for both the poxy driving and giving him the finger.

As I said, what the bus driver did was rude but you're dead right, two wrongs don't make a right, I still think the OP would have been better off taking the details and making a complaint without taking it upon himself to open the door.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 01:53PM

rational wrote: »

If you were a bus driver and a punter just were allowed to open the door when ever the felt aggrevied how would you feel?

After driving dangerously around a cyclist and acting hard by giving him the finger from the safety of my cab, probably pretty embarrassed and no longer as brazen as I initially was.

01-11-2010 01:57PM

Blowfish wrote: »

The only one putting anyone in actual danger was the bus driver...

That wasn't me that said that.

gurramok wrote: »

Thats from the word of a cyclist who had irrational behaviour at the moment of the incident.

Did he do a count of the people on the bus?

Did he get on the bus, walk to the back checking all the seats and then run upstairs checking all the seats and then run back off whilst at the same time argue and give the finger to the driver? Grrr.:mad:

I don't know. I'm assuming the bus was "out of service".

rational wrote: »

If you were a bus driver and a punter just were allowed to open the door when ever the felt aggrevied how would you feel? .

Nobody is saying the OP (or anyone for that matter) should be allowed open the door. At any time. The fact that the OP did open the door doen't absolve the bus driver in any way, shape or form, nor does it detract from the validity of his complaint.

rational wrote: »

The OP should have reported the driver and not got involved tampering with property that is not his.

Agreed.

rational · 01-11-2010 01:57PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

After driving dangerously around a cyclist and acting hard by giving him the finger from the safety of my cab, probably pretty embarrassed and no longer as brazen as I initially was.

I am making a case from the specific to be applied to the general. What applies is that the OP was wrong to open the door. Its actually very simple.

We can all agree that "if" the bus driver did what the OP said he did he was being stupid and wreckless. The OP then reports this wrecklessness to the relivent authorities. However I would seriously question the judgement of somone who would open the bus door as the OP did and thus question the rest of his story.

rational · 01-11-2010 02:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody is saying the OP (or anyone for that matter) should be allowed open the door. At any time. The fact that the OP did open the door doen't absolve the bus driver in any way, shape or form, nor does it detract from the validity of his complaint.

The OP seems to be ignoring that fact. Other posters dont seem to see the contradiction of being critical of someone elses actions while ignoring the stupidity of your own.

gurramok · 01-11-2010 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. I'm assuming the bus was "out of service". .

Assumptions. At least we know the life of one person was endangered by the sheer recklessness of a lunatic. The OP should thank his lucky stars that bus drivers are not armed yet!

rational · 01-11-2010 02:08PM

gurramok wrote: »

Assumptions. At least we know the life of one person was endangered by the sheer recklessness of a lunatic.

Two people.

Was on Dublin Bus recently. Scumbag asked driver to get out at lights. Dangerous Junction. When driver said no Guy threatened Bus driver, hurling obsenities at him in an aggressive way. Punters on the bus shouted "wilzey let em ou for **** sake" That emboldened the guy to start kicking the **** out of the door and then turn and spat at the driver into the glass. He then preceeded to punch the **** out of the drivers glass before the driver let the guy out at the stop.

I am not saying this equates to the OPs situation. Just came to mind when reading this thread.

shrewd · 01-11-2010 02:13PM

antodeco wrote: »

Just cycle in front of the bus, really really slow. If he wants to use the cycle lane, you use the bus lane!

you read my mind.

i saw a car did this once in tallaght. it was so hilarious.

The car got on the bus lane which was the only lane on the road and decide not to move at the traffic light despite the green light.
and when it moved it moved very slowly.

you have seen the face of the bus driver, cursing, beepin and all.

theplace · 01-11-2010 02:16PM

CdeC wrote: »

Cycling to work today. Was along leeson street and a bus starting veering in and sandwiching me towards the curb. I got by just in time and waved at the driver and gave a thumbs up, a gesture by which I meant "look dont forget about cyclists".I wasn't angry and realise how tight the space is there.

Anyway go through the lights and I am cycling along the south end of Stephens green when the bus slows down alongside me. I look across and the driver is looking straight at me and giving me the finger. The bus stops at the lights and I open the door with the emergency release. The driver starts shouting at me with profanities as I explain that there was a cycling lane and he was in the wrong. ANyway he basically just shouts "****OFF" and closes the door and drives off.

I was shocked but really dont know if it is worth my while complaining. Dublin Bus is notoriously bad for dealing with complaints.

I think by opening the Doors was a NoNo. As well as you were upset You shouldnt have tampered with an emergency button.

sensibleken · 01-11-2010 02:57PM

Should have set the drivers head on fire.

complaining doesnt do any use.

Daemos · 01-11-2010 03:03PM

Am I the only one that reads threads like this with disappointment that nothing interesting ever happens on any buses I/you/we've been on?

CreepingDeath · 01-11-2010 04:27PM

Daemos wrote: »

Am I the only one that reads threads like this with disappointment that nothing interesting ever happens on any buses I/you/we've been on?

Some idiot going to work this morning "just" missed the bus as it pulled away.
He gave the door a kick, and the door window completely smashed and shattered.
So thanks to that impatient gobshite at the Penny Hill in Lucan, we all had to change buses.

CdeC · 01-11-2010 05:36PM

gurramok wrote: »

Thats from the word of a cyclist who had irrational behaviour at the moment of the incident.

Did he do a count of the people on the bus?

Did he get on the bus, walk to the back checking all the seats and then run upstairs checking all the seats and then run back off whilst at the same time argue and give the finger to the driver? Grrr.:mad:

Bloody hell, gurramok, there was noone on the bus I am sure of it. All I did was turn around and wave at the bus driver to get his attention. I understand that driving all day can make you complacent. I didn't deserve abuse.
I opened the door to tell the bus driver, after he gave me the finger and also wasn't watching the road in order to do so that there was a clearly marked cycle lane and that he should be aware of it and watch out for cyclists in the future. I believe that is an important message to a bus driver. All I got was a tirade of abuse punctuated with a huge FcUKOFF!!!!.
Someone with that kind of temper and constitution perhaps shouldn't be in charge of 14 tonnes of fast moving metal.

gurramok · 01-11-2010 05:41PM

CdeC wrote: »

Bloody hell, gurramok, there was noone on the bus I am sure of it. All I did was turn around and wave at the bus driver to get his attention. I understand that driving all day can make you complacent. I didn't deserve abuse.
I opened the door to tell the bus driver, after he gave me the finger and also wasn't watching the road in order to do so that there was a clearly marked cycle lane and that he should be aware of it and watch out for cyclists in the future. I believe that is an important message to a bus driver. All I got was a tirade of abuse punctuated with a huge FcUKOFF!!!!.
Someone with that kind of temper and constitution perhaps shouldn't be in charge of 14 tonnes of fast moving metal.

How can you be sure to do a bodycount when you had road rage?

He cursed at you because maybe he thought you were trying to rob or hijack the bus?:)

Dublin Bus....abuse

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