Dublin Bus....abuse

gaz wac · 01-11-2010 12:31PM

Mits wrote: »

I don't think this is irresponsible at all to open the door when the bus is stopped.
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Its not ok at ANY time, there was no emergency !! and the driver could have drove at any second, he only stopped for the lights !!

so say if you miss your bus, would you run up to it at the next set of traffic lights, press the emergency open button and let yourself on ?? I could see the driver calling the gards !!

flyton5 · 01-11-2010 12:31PM

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

Health and safety guidelines are in place to protect people. It's not being a Nazi, it's being responsible. Calling me a Nazi because I happen to think it's stupid to open an emergency door for no other reason than to have a go at a driver who gave you the finger is a bit unfair. I'm sure you didn't mean to jump to that uninformed conclusion, or maybe you did and that's your style, who knows, certainly not me I've never met you before.

Ok ok...maybe Nazi is a bit strong. Facist? Better?

And have you never seen bus drivers motoring along on a hot day with the door open to get some cool air onto the bus? It's not exactly dangerous to open the door.

As for the Health and Safety thing. How did people cope back in the day? Kids can't run in playgrounds anymore because it's not safe. Bit've cop on wouldn't go astray.

jackiebaron · 01-11-2010 12:34PM

Carry with you a bottle of piss or sour milk. If such a thing happens again, hit the emergency door lever and sling the bottle (with cap removed) into his cab. Let the bastard spend the rest of the day driving around in his foul-smelling gas chamber.

seamus · 01-11-2010 12:34PM

Red Alert wrote: »

Sorry, cyclists, but you all cause most of your own problems.

I'm sorry, but I didn't realise we were all part of some big affiliation which allowed us to control the actions of other people on bikes.

Taking your frustration with one person out on another person who happens to be using the same mode of transport is the height of idiocy and shows nothing but a completely blinkered and self-righteous view of the world.

Should I be allowed to push little old ladies out of my way because other pedestrians keep cutting me off when I'm walking down the path?

Should I be cutting taxis off and beeping at them because a guy did the same thing to me five minutes down the road?

CdeC · 01-11-2010 12:37PM

To be fair there was noone on the bus when it was stopped as it was not on route and no number on it. I just reacted as you do when you get abuse. Noone was in danger.

I was cycling along and in the cycle lane and the bus was veering in towards me so I did nothing wrong and I am a very good cyclist. Also while he was giving me the finger he was looking at me and I didn't look straight away as I wasn;t expecting it. So he had his eyes off the road for a good 3 seconds.

C'mon now I reckon people need to get behind cyclists and IMO cyclists get a bad wrap, we have to deal with bad driving, half asleep perdestrians and cold and ****ty weather.

Jaxxy · 01-11-2010 12:38PM

flyton5 wrote: »

Ok ok...maybe Nazi is a bit strong. Facist? Better?

And have you never seen bus drivers motoring along on a hot day with the door open to get some cool air onto the bus? It's not exactly dangerous to open the door.

As for the Health and Safety thing. How did people cope back in the day? Kids can't run in playgrounds anymore because it's not safe. Bit've cop on wouldn't go astray.

I've actually never seen a bus driving along with the emergency door open.

I completely agree and a bit of cop on certainly wouldn't go astray. Children running in playgrounds, etc is a completely different issue though in fairness. Opening an emergency door while a bus is in use just to have a row with a bus driver shows a distinct lack of cop on in my opinion.

Certainly some health and safety guidelines can be a bit on the extreme side, but I don't think this happens to be one of them. And while people might have coped just fine "back in the day", this does not mean that there were never instances where a little health and safety might have saved lives. The fire in the Stardust nightclub in Artane would be a prime example of this.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 12:40PM

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

Opening the emergency door from the outside when there is no emergency is irresponsible.

What's this emergency door you speak of ? He opened the regular door with the external switch, while the bus was stopped. Now I haven't been on too many buses recently but I'm pretty sure they don't fall over and empty themselves of all their passengers when this happens.

An inordinate amount of DB drivers act like twats to cyclists.

Fooking motorists like people on this thread giving the rest of us a bad name.

gaz wac wrote: »

I could see the driver calling the gards !!

I don't know what or who gards are but the thought of a bus driver ringing anyone and waiting for them to come because someone opened his door from the outside is hilarious.

gurramok · 01-11-2010 12:45PM

I don't think you should complain to the Gardai, it could be you that would end up arrested for interfering with a vehicle and endangering the lives of the bus driver and many passengers.

prinz · 01-11-2010 12:47PM

Lost all sympathy when you decided to interfere with the bus.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 12:48PM

gurramok wrote: »

I don't think you should complain to the Gardai, it could be you that would end up arrested for interfering with a vehicle and endangering the lives of the bus driver and many passengers.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

C'mon people, get real, this is real Joe Duffy stuff right here.

gurramok · 01-11-2010 12:50PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

HA HA HA HA HA HA C'mon people, get real, this is real Joe Duffy stuff right here.

I ain't Joe Duffy

Whats so funny about endangering innocent passenger lives?:eek:

thebigbiffo · 01-11-2010 12:54PM

cyclists wreck my head.

they're up there with dublin bus drivers imo. both think they own the road, both are angry as f'uck at any slight problem and both deserve a kicking the majority of the time they open their mouth to complain about anyone else on the street...

f'uckin cyclists

gaz wac · 01-11-2010 12:54PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

I don't know what or who gards are but the thought of a bus driver ringing anyone and waiting for them to come because someone opened his door from the outside is hilarious.

Are ya for real...... obvious troll, is obvious :pac:

gurramok · 01-11-2010 12:58PM

Actually opening the door of the bus without permission could be a form of attempted hijacking?
In this day and age of security, no wonder the passengers would have been terrified from a random stranger roaring and shouting into the bus!

Wicklowrider · 01-11-2010 12:58PM

Red Alert wrote: »

Sorry, cyclists, but you all cause most of your own problems. Blaming the bus man is childish..

Read the OP - Cyclist was almost squashed by Bus - in what way exactly do you understand that to be the cyclist being childish? And you drive and condone the bus drivers conduct? Did you pass a test?

Red Alert wrote: »

I've lost count of the number of cyclists who feel that the rules of the road only apply to buses and cars. I'm fed up of cyclists who take over the road, won't move a little to the left to allow a safe overtake, break red lights and give abuse to car drivers. ..

We, real cyclists included, are all fed up with tossers who break the road traffic act. That does not give carte blanche to endanger cyclists using a vehicle - is that simple enough for you? Encouraging morons like that bus driver is dangerous and irresponsible. In the past few weeks I have heard of a woman cyclist being slapped by a passenger in a car, Another woman cyclist having a bottle thrown at her from a car and a cyclist being deliberately knocked down by a motorist " to teach him a lesson".

Red Alert wrote: »

Also OP you were very very irresponsible to operate the emergency door release on the bus. It's there for emergencies only, and on some buses it's not straightforward to reset it. If you did that to the LUAS's one you could be facing a big fine and a possible court appearance. Your actions could have resulted in a prolonged and dangerous situation on the road, as well as inconveniencing the passengers onboard. No wonder cyclists have a bad name.

1. It is NOT there for emergencies only. BTW attempting to squash a human would be a fair description of an emergency....
2. He wasn't near a luas - keep daydreaming ( are you driving?)
3. Motorists and glasshouses regarding "bad names" .. You do know that the Central Statitics Office regularly update us as to accidents and the causes? Did you ever bother to read any of those reports or even listen to the gist of them on the news?

01-11-2010 01:00PM

I hate cyclists that stick their thumbs up at me.

Gary4279 · 01-11-2010 01:05PM

antodeco wrote: »

Just cycle in front of the bus, really really slow. If he wants to use the cycle lane, you use the bus lane!

Done this myself once for a good ten minutes to a taxi the full length of the quays. He even tried to run into the back of my wheel. One very pissed of taxi drivers.

gonedrinking · 01-11-2010 01:11PM

gurramok wrote: »

I ain't Joe Duffy

Whats so funny about endangering innocent passenger lives?:eek:

its funny because people don't fall out of a bus when its stationary

gurramok · 01-11-2010 01:14PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

its funny because people don't fall out of a bus when its stationary

Opening those doors could have given an elderly passenger a heart attack as its a frightening experience to have a random stranger trying to board the bus while shouting and roaring at the driver.

phasers · 01-11-2010 01:15PM

Cyclists are the devil, but bus drivers are just as bad.

Who do I root for in this story?

CreepingDeath · 01-11-2010 01:20PM

CdeC wrote: »

Cycling to work today. Was along leeson street and a bus starting veering in and sandwiching me towards the curb.

The bus was obviously trying to get by you and found a break in the traffic to do so. There's approx 90 people in a bus, all of whom you were holding up.

It's ridiculous when a mass transit vehicle is held up by a single cyclist.
Let the buses go by.
I see this on the N4 a lot, where some cyclist is struggling on the Chapelizod bypass uphill sections, and the bus is stuck behind them.

I hate taxi drivers, but bus drivers are fine.

If you want to cycle safely move to Amsterdam.

R0ot · 01-11-2010 01:21PM

biko wrote: »

You did the right thing. Complaining to the bus company won't work.
Ranting in After Hours will.

The worrying thing is your what I presume is sarcasm is correct. Almost as bad as Irish Rail for customer service staff.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 01:23PM

gurramok wrote: »

I ain't Joe Duffy

Whats so funny about endangering innocent passenger lives?:eek:

Opening the door on a stopped bus endangers passenger lives ? Come off it.

Nothing unusual for the motors forum to twist the initial dangerous actions of the bus driver into some other hysterical direction.

01-11-2010 01:23PM

Degsy wrote: »

Are you serious?
Its only a bleeding cyclist and he wasnt hurt anyway.

Every now and then I get a little glimpse of something that tells me that you're actually a human being, then Wham! you come out with something like this. For shame Degsy. :pac:

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

That's all irrelevant really..

You got completely the wrong end of the stick, gave out to him from your misinformed position, he retorts and you dismiss him by saying that its all irrelevant? Thats okay though,....

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

I'm sure you didn't mean to jump to that uninformed conclusion..

Next....

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

Had the cyclist not responded aggressively then he would have had grounds for complaint. Now he doesn't have a leg to stand on IMO...

Incorrect, two wrongs don't make a right but the Bus driver should be held accountable for both the poxy driving and giving him the finger.

prinz wrote: »

Lost all sympathy when you decided to interfere with the bus.

Lol...the way you have it phrased there makes it sound like he was trying to stick his mickey in the exhaust pipe or something.

seamus · 01-11-2010 01:23PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The bus was obviously trying to get by you and found a break in the traffic to do so.

He clearly didn't find any break in the traffic if he was pushing the OP out of the way. What do you expect the OP to do? Stop every time a vehicle comes up behind him and get off the road? Eh, no. All he can do is give as much room as is safe to do. If the vehicle can't get by him, then tough **** really, them's the rules.

Of course in reality the cyclist is holding nobody up. The bus will get by the cyclist and then get caught in traffic anyway when the bus lane ends. Same with the N4.

gonedrinking · 01-11-2010 01:24PM

gurramok wrote: »

Opening those doors could have given an elderly passenger a heart attack as its a frightening experience to have a random stranger trying to board the bus while shouting and roaring at the driver.

but the elderly passenger will already have had a heart attack when he saw the driver trying to maim the cyclist

CreepingDeath · 01-11-2010 01:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Incorrect, two wrongs don't make a right but the Bus driver should be held accountable for both the poxy driving and giving him the finger.

While cyclists are not accountable for anything.
They are uninsured, unlicensed, untaxed and effectively anonymous with no licence plates.

rational · 01-11-2010 01:29PM

CdeC wrote: »

The bus stops at the lights and I open the door with the emergency release. Dublin Bus is notoriously bad for dealing with complaints.

Your own actions were irresponsible and stupid. You have no right to open the "emergency" door. Its for emergencies. Why you think you have the right to do that baffles me.

01-11-2010 01:29PM

gurramok wrote: »

Opening those doors could have given an elderly passenger a heart attack as its a frightening experience to have a random stranger trying to board the bus while shouting and roaring at the driver.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The bus was obviously trying to get by you and found a break in the traffic to do so. There's approx 90 people in a bus, all of whom you were holding up.

It's ridiculous when a mass transit vehicle is held up by a single cyclist.
Let the buses go by.

Both of you need to read the thread properly. The bus was empty.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

If you want to cycle safely move to Amsterdam.

Here's the real problem. If we had proper cycle lanes situations like this wouldn't happen. Instead, we get a bit of paint on the road thats half full of rubbis, bits of hubcaps, broken glass, uneven gaps in the tarmac and, at this time of year, wet leaves and twigs.

Also, cyclists are road users too, just because you're in a car doesn't give you right of way.

Edit:

While cyclists are not accountable for anything.
They are uninsured, unlicensed, untaxed and effectively anonymous with no licence plates.

True, but the OP isn't employed by a semi-state public body. What would you do if you walked into the passport office, didn't have your forms filled out correctly, and the bloke behind the counter just told you to fcuk off?

ThisRegard · 01-11-2010 01:30PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

untaxed

Cyclists don't pay tax ? Excellent, how do I become an official 'cyclist' and get a rebate on all the taxes I've paid over all these years ? Or do I only get half a rebate as I also drive, maybe my cyclist allowance cancels out my motor tax, VRT and VAT on fuel ?

Help me out with this one CreepingDeath.

Dublin Bus....abuse

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