Bloody students protesting on november 3rd

Denzil2222 · 27-10-2010 10:17PM #1

What planet are these bloody students living on? What part of us spending 20 billion a year more than we take in dont they understand? Its time for them to get real and understand the goverment wont be wiping their backsides for them anymore.

20Cent · 27-10-2010 10:34PM

It worked for the pensioners.

MrStuffins · 27-10-2010 10:35PM

Post stinks of envy!

DeadMoney · 27-10-2010 10:37PM

"Bloody students" shake harder boy!

c_man · 27-10-2010 10:43PM

20Cent wrote: »

It worked for the pensioners.

I really doubt the public would get behind the students like they did for the OAPs.

20Cent · 27-10-2010 10:49PM

c_man wrote: »

I really doubt the public would get behind the students like they did for the OAPs.

Perhaps. People do like to see all the old faces..........

RichardAnd · 27-10-2010 10:57PM

First I've heard of this. Will it be a repeat of the Student fee strikes of 2008? By this I mean, they'll start Wednesday night's drinking in the afternoon in town en mass?

seabre · 27-10-2010 11:06PM

I think they're bloody right! OK so they are in a priveliged position in that they are not committed elsewhere (jobs/ kids/ etc) that they can do so but I really feel the need for some sort of public display of this societies dissatisfaction. I mean so many times this year I have been utterly sickened by blatant wastage of Tax Payers money on ridiculous Ministerial expenses, Bank Bailouts, Civil/Public sector incompetence/over staffing etc, Inflated Salaries! The list goes on and on its never ending. And every single time we shrug our shoulders and just take it!

I'm no expert on Politics or Economics but its as plain as the nose on our faces that the people running this country are inept and incompetent not to mention corrupt in the extreme.

I think it is such a sad reflection on us as a people that we are willing to accept these glaring problems in our Government and surely a very damning indictment on us from our overseas spectators.

Is it that we are so bloody lazy that we couldn't be bothered acting or have we actually elected the most capable there are! (Shudder!!!!)

Are the FF's FG's really the cream of the crop or just Cream - Rich and Thick!

The_Thing · 27-10-2010 11:08PM

RichardAnd wrote: »

.....they'll start Wednesday night's drinking in the afternoon in town en mass?

And then no doubt they'll still have the energy to vandalise cars, burn wheelie bins, and damage public property on their way home. :mad:

mikemac · 27-10-2010 11:14PM

You can improve students situations and save money at the same time.

The merging of the VECs is to be welcomed and there is a lot more to be done.

As when I was in college you'd apply for the grant in July/August and be lucky to get it by Christmas. I got it in late January one year.
And yes.......I was glad to get the grant though it was feck all in my day. Wow, I sound old. But realy I got the full grant and it's not much at all

Tipperary North VEC were terrible to deal with. How does it take 5 months to process an application?

In fact, it should be taken off the VEC and given to Revenue, they are efficient.
One centralized system, not different VECs with different turnaround times

Byron85 · 27-10-2010 11:17PM

The_Thing wrote: »

And then no doubt they'll still have the energy to vandalise cars, burn wheelie bins, and damage public property on their way home. :mad:

What are you basing this on?

RichardAnd · 27-10-2010 11:19PM

The_Thing wrote: »

And then no doubt they'll still have the energy to vandalise cars, burn wheelie bins, and damage public property on their way home. :mad:

Probably. I do recall that fees demonstration very well though. I was making my way through town that evening on the way to a session (the musical type, not the drinking kind :P) and I was passed by a group of 20 students still carrying protest signs and heading towards Fibbers. On their way, they passed by a young girl with a baby begging by the side of the street (an Irish girl, not one of the Romanian chancers) and not one of them gave her a glance.

Some how, I think there are better places to spend the money being used Baz and Deco' in DCU

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Lukker- · 27-10-2010 11:21PM

Taking money out of education is always smart, sure we'll go back to primary services, it's served us well before..

smk89 · 27-10-2010 11:27PM

Denzil2222 wrote: »

What part of us spending 20 billion a year more than we take in dont they understand?

Aaah, we arn't responsible for the crazy credit problems so why should we be punished for it. They are planning to double the reg fee to 3000 per year!!!
We already have severe reductions in student funding with course spending slashed substantially.

The money should come from the ridiculous salary of the presidents, su staff and senior lecturers (UCD alone had €16 million in bonuses to senior staff)

RichardAnd · 27-10-2010 11:37PM

smk89 wrote: »

Aaah, we arn't responsible for the crazy credit problems so why should we be punished for it. They are planning to double the reg fee to 3000 per year!!!
We already have severe reductions in student funding with course spending slashed substantially.

The money should come from the ridiculous salary of the presidents, su staff and senior lecturers (UCD alone had €16 million in bonuses to senior staff)

You'll get no argument from me that lecturers and Deans should get a hit, they get far too much for what they do. However, I think a far greater waste is the money given by colleges to student clubs and societies.

My younger brother got 10k this year from his college for his college club which is the acclaimed and highly challenging sport that is....Ultimate Frisbee. Where I went to college, one club got 20 grand one year which was squandered on plane tickets to europe so their members could get pissed in a whole different time zone.

MrStuffins · 27-10-2010 11:48PM

Also, the OP is not serious here. The OP logs onto Boards, starts a thread knowing it will get people talking and then he sits back and watches without adding any of his own opinions.

Of his 89 posts, 55 of them are thread starters.......... that's a pretty big thread to post ratio!

shofukan · 27-10-2010 11:59PM

OP wrote:

November 3th

Complains about students..

smk89 · 28-10-2010 12:00AM

RichardAnd wrote: »

You'll get no argument from me that lecturers and Deans should get a hit, they get far too much for what they do. However, I think a far greater waste is the money given by colleges to student clubs and societies.

My younger brother got 10k this year from his college for his college club which is the acclaimed and highly challenging sport that is....Ultimate Frisbee. Where I went to college, one club got 20 grand one year which was squandered on plane tickets to europe so their members could get pissed in a whole different time zone.

I disagree with the clubs and societies statement, I'm in the scuba diving club and they get less than €10000 from the university. It's embarrassing when every club in Ireland knows how old our equipment is. Though €1k for ultimate frisbee would be too high

ddef · 28-10-2010 12:05AM

November 3th?....
Think you need to go back to college mate

southsiderosie · 28-10-2010 12:32AM

seabre wrote: »

I think they're bloody right! OK so they are in a priveliged position in that they are not committed elsewhere (jobs/ kids/ etc) that they can do so but I really feel the need for some sort of public display of this societies dissatisfaction. I mean so many times this year I have been utterly sickened by blatant wastage of Tax Payers money on ridiculous Ministerial expenses, Bank Bailouts, Civil/Public sector incompetence/over staffing etc, Inflated Salaries! The list goes on and on its never ending. And every single time we shrug our shoulders and just take it!

I'm no expert on Politics or Economics but its as plain as the nose on our faces that the people running this country are inept and incompetent not to mention corrupt in the extreme.

I think it is such a sad reflection on us as a people that we are willing to accept these glaring problems in our Government and surely a very damning indictment on us from our overseas spectators.

Is it that we are so bloody lazy that we couldn't be bothered acting or have we actually elected the most capable there are! (Shudder!!!!)

Are the FF's FG's really the cream of the crop or just Cream - Rich and Thick!

Then why not have a protest about government waste, or a protest to force elections, rather than a protest about dumping a specific entitlement program.

The only possible positive outcome I can see from this would be if the student leaders were secretly plotting to turn the fees protest into a massive anti-government sit in that would force them to friggin call elections already. But somehow I doubt it.

maxxie · 28-10-2010 12:55AM

At least somebody has the balls to protest! The Irish people are far too quiet about all this ****! Wheres your ****ing pride?

Denzil2222 · 28-10-2010 01:04AM

The fact is third level feels, water charges and rates should never have been abolished in the first place. Im sick of people saying they wont pay x y and z new tax because they didnt cause the mess, this has nothing to do with who caused and who didnt cause the mess. we couldnt live on stamp duty forever new taxes have to pay for the day to day running of the country now that stamp duty has dried up, third level feels water charges and property tax are in most other eu countries.

mikemac · 28-10-2010 01:07AM

Denzil2222 wrote: »

The fact is third level feels, water charges and rates should never have been abolished in the first place.

In rural areas, many of us still pay for water

That might be contributions to a group scheme.
Or if you are lucky enough to own land, find the well, drill down, install the pump, annual service and pay the ESB for powering it.

And to answer you Denzil222, at a stretch I can understand Tipp North councillors going to the USA every St. Patricks weekend. But why are ratepayers paying for their wives/husbands?
So no to reintroduction of rates if they can't sort this out. And to be fair to Seamie Morris, our SF councillor, he opposes this every year.
I think there is more corruption among councillors then TDs

RichardAnd · 28-10-2010 01:08AM

What exactly is it the students intend to protest against? Are the fees coming back in full or is it just the hiked up registration fees?

mikemac · 28-10-2010 01:13AM

RichardAnd wrote: »

What exactly is it the students intend to protest against? Are the fees coming back in full or is it just the hiked up registration fees?

Hiked up registration fees.
Really fees in all but name

Working a summer job, the proposed €3,000 is a lot to save up

Denzil2222 · 28-10-2010 01:25AM

Ireland is now a broke country, how many other broke countries have free college for all ?

mikemac · 28-10-2010 01:29AM

Nothing free about €1,500 registration fees.

Ok, grant students don't pay or rather, they pay and get it back months later but not everyone gets the grant

Denzil2222 · 28-10-2010 01:42AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Nothing free about €1,500 registration fees.

Ok, grant students don't pay or rather, they pay and get it back months later but not everyone gets the grant

Some student said to matt cooper on today fm yesterday that 60 percent of students now get the grant.

mikemac · 28-10-2010 01:50AM

Yes, not everyone.
And 60% would confirm that.

If you're going to post that Ireland is now a broke country then not realy a suprise, it was around 40% of students on the grant before the recession

And that was probably Michael McLoughlin from USI, he's constantly on Newstalk

Yag reuoY · 28-10-2010 03:29AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Yes, not everyone.
And 60% would confirm that.

If you're going to post that Ireland is now a broke country then not realy a suprise, it was around 40% of students on the grant before the recession

And that was probably Michael McLoughlin from USI, he's constantly on Newstalk

In the university I attended -- UCC -- many of the luxurious apartments nearby were booked out each year by Feburary.

If students can find up to 6k for 9 months of accommodation, they sure as hell can cough up an extra 1500.

Additionally, a sizable number of UCC students appeared to own a car? Time to wave bye bye to trusty Mini Cooper with pink fluffy steering wheel cover I reckon.

femur61 · 28-10-2010 07:21AM

c_man wrote: »

I really doubt the public would get behind the students like they did for the OAPs.

OAP paid taxes their whole life.

Bloody students protesting on november 3rd

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