Foie Gras

enda1 · 27-10-2010 01:24PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I've tried it and liked it but I wouldn't buy it. It's no nicer than duck liver paté and not really worth the extra cost, imo

Its entirely different to a normal duck liver pate.
The fat content is enormous!

Have you had it "entier"? Meaning whole, like the whole liver not pate style?
Its ridiculously divine.

enda1 · 27-10-2010 01:25PM

kraggy wrote: »

Roger Moore, on behalf of PETA, explains what's involved in the making of foie gras.

I have no liking for Peta, and in fact, despise them in many ways, but there's no denying that what happens in the following video is standard. It is well documented.

Fast forward to 2:00 of this video to see the pipe actually being shoved all the way down the birds's stomachs. And that's besides the fact that many geese, ducks etc never see the light of day.

Warning: The video is not for the sensitive. However, such videos need to be watched in my opinion, for it is the fact that we like to hide ourselves away from cruelty, that it continues to occur in every corner of the world to this day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32815SIgq1A

Ah boo hoo.

I don't find the practice cruel. Why try to put human emotions on stupid birds?

kraggy · 27-10-2010 01:30PM

enda1 wrote: »

Ah boo hoo.

I don't find the practice cruel. Why try to put human emotions on stupid birds?

Because they feel pain like you and I. How can you be cold to that? Or are you simply denying that they feel pain?

My name is URL · 27-10-2010 01:32PM

enda1 wrote: »

Its entirely different to a normal duck liver pate.
The fat content is enormous!

Have you had it "entier"? Meaning whole, like the whole liver not pate style?
Its ridiculously divine.

No, I've not tried it whole, not sure if I'd like the texture of it. I've only ever seen the pate version as a starter in restaurants.

enda1 · 27-10-2010 01:33PM

kraggy wrote: »

Because they feel pain like you and I. How can you be cold to that? Or are you simply denying that they feel pain?

What do you mean by pain? My printer gives an error if the paper is forced in wrong. Would that be cruel too?

Pain as humans "feel" it is a complex combination between emotion and physical response. I don't believe it is equivalent to that felt by a dumb bird.

kraggy · 27-10-2010 01:36PM

enda1 wrote: »

What do you mean by pain? My printer gives an error if the paper is forced in wrong. Would that be cruel too?

Pain as humans "feel" it is a complex combination between emotion and physical response. I don't believe it is equivalent to that felt by a dumb bird.

That's one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've seen in a long time.

You're comparing an error message with the pain experienced by a bird? I can only presume you're trolling.

Animals feel pain and express this feeling through screaming and squealing like humans.

It's not debatable. It's fact.

Did you watch the whole video or just part of it?

enda1 · 27-10-2010 01:43PM

kraggy wrote: »

That's one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've seen in a long time.

You're comparing an error message with the pain experienced by a bird? I can only presume you're trolling.

Animals feel pain and express this feeling through screaming and squealing like humans.

It's not debatable. It's fact.

Did you watch the whole video or just part of it?

And my printer expresses its discomfort with an error message. Would you prefer if it squawked.

What's your point?

kraggy · 27-10-2010 01:57PM

enda1 wrote: »

And my printer expresses its discomfort with an error message. Would you prefer if it squawked.

What's your point?

If you can't see my point, then you need to read my posts again, and your own.

You said "Pain as humans "feel" it is a complex combination between emotion and physical response. I don't believe it is equivalent to that felt by a dumb bird."

You don't believe that they're equivalent? How so? I say they are.

Read some Peter Singer. He's a Princeton professor and one of the most respected philosophers in the world. He says pain and intelligence are mutually exclusive. i.e. you don't have to be intelligent to feel pain:

http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/singer03.htm

Going by your criteria, it would be more justifiable to carry out laboratory tests on a child with a severe learning difficulty. Afterall, some of them are less intelliengent than, say, a chimp.

thebigbiffo · 27-10-2010 01:57PM

in fairness though - peta are only gonna show you the worst bits, the ones with the ducks hanging their heads in depression like humans do for the sake of making their subjects appeal more to our emotions.

it's not like it's cruelty for cruelty's sake, it's a tradtional way of preparing a particular type of food - all animals are treated badly to some extent when you're going to kill them for food

Einhard · 27-10-2010 02:08PM

kraggy wrote: »

Roger Moore, on behalf of PETA, explains what's involved in the making of foie gras.

I have no liking for Peta, and in fact, despise them in many ways, but there's no denying that what happens in the following video is standard. It is well documented.

Warning: The video is not for the sensitive. However, such videos need to be watched in my opinion, for it is the fact that we like to hide ourselves away from cruelty, that it continues to occur in every corner of the world to this day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32815SIgq1A

Ok, I'm gonna stick to the 5 dollar hookers from now on.

Tar.Aldarion · 27-10-2010 02:08PM

Nope, I'd be disgusted with myself for eating that, aim in life is to do a minimum of harm to animals, even though some will be done.

sensibleken · 27-10-2010 02:21PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

it's not like it's cruelty for cruelty's sake, it's a tradtional way of preparing a particular type of food - all animals are treated badly to some extent when you're going to kill them for food

thats why im veggie as opposed to just avoiding the factory farmed stuff.

People either give a shít or they dont. In my experience if a vegie/vegan says something about their diet its 'being preachy', if a meat eater asks a veggie about their diet and they answer, then the veggie is also being preachy.

weird

enda1 · 27-10-2010 02:23PM

kraggy wrote: »

If you can't see my point, then you need to read my posts again, and your own.

You said "Pain as humans "feel" it is a complex combination between emotion and physical response. I don't believe it is equivalent to that felt by a dumb bird."

You don't believe that they're equivalent? How so? I say they are.

Read some Peter Singer. He's a Princeton professor and one of the most respected philosophers in the world. He says pain and intelligence are mutually exclusive. i.e. you don't have to be intelligent to feel pain:

http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/singer03.htm

Going by your criteria, it would be more justifiable to carry out laboratory tests on a child with a severe learning difficulty. Afterall, some of them are less intelliengent than, say, a chimp.

You chose a vegan philosopher to decide for you a question of neurological response?

Do you go to the mechanic too when you have pains in your chest??

My printer is not intelligent and it feels your concept of "pain" - that of a physical nature.
How can you not understand this analogy??

I think we just have a different definition of pain. Pain for you is a physical thing. For me it is physical and emotional. Without the emotional side there is no cruelty in my opinion (assuming the action is being administered by a person not for the pleasure of the action).

To start debating lab testing of disabled children is another subject entirely - one probably left to the humanities forum. Could be a bad precedent to set for a number of reasons - one being that we are still quite a ways from understanding the full complexity of the concept of intelligence and how its many facets are impaired by various illnesses/retardations.

We do however take living organs from living humans to use in transplantation.

Pookah · 27-10-2010 02:56PM

I've tried the duck foie gras, with rhubarb and strawberry compote, on brioche, the odd time I've dined at the Pearl Brasserie, in town. It's melt in the mouth gorgeous, and almost makes the suffering worthwhile.

Osgoodisgood · 27-10-2010 03:09PM

It's only cruel if someone takes my plate away before I'm finished.

Gunsfortoys · 27-10-2010 03:23PM

kraggy wrote: »

Roger Moore, on behalf of PETA, explains what's involved in the making of foie gras.

I have no liking for Peta, and in fact, despise them in many ways, but there's no denying that what happens in the following video is standard. It is well documented.

Warning: The video is not for the sensitive. However, such videos need to be watched in my opinion, for it is the fact that we like to hide ourselves away from cruelty, that it continues to occur in every corner of the world to this day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32815SIgq1A

Tough to watch.

Never tried it, will never try it now.

Wish I could stop eating meat.

Shenshen · 27-10-2010 03:27PM

enda1 wrote: »

And my printer expresses its discomfort with an error message. Would you prefer if it squawked.

What's your point?

Unless your printer is amazingly developed, it has neither nerves nor a brain.

Mr Benevolent · 27-10-2010 03:29PM

Load of bollocks. Animal rights activists cry their hearts out at a dead duck yet walk by badly suffering homeless people without a care in the world. Sheer hypocrisy.

sensibleken · 27-10-2010 03:31PM

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Tough to watch.

Never tried it, will never try it now.

Wish I could stop eating meat.

give it a go. its quite an easy diet to maintain, and cheap. there is a vegan vegitarian forum on boards with recipies and stuff

AnonoBoy · 27-10-2010 03:31PM

Confab wrote: »

Load of bollocks. Animal rights activists cry their hearts out at a dead duck yet walk by badly suffering homeless people without a care in the world. Sheer hypocrisy.

Especially those homeless that they forcefeed in sheds out in Clondalkin.

Nobody else heard about them? No? Just me?

Echospace · 27-10-2010 03:32PM

Confab wrote: »

Load of bollocks. Animal rights activists cry their hearts out at a dead duck yet walk by badly suffering homeless people without a care in the world. Sheer hypocrisy.

ROFL!!!

Some of these comments are so ridiculous it's funny.

Who are these "animal rights activists" who empathically walk by suffering homeless people? Do you know them personally? Or are you talking a load of bs?

Gunsfortoys · 27-10-2010 03:36PM

Confab wrote: »

Load of bollocks. Animal rights activists cry their hearts out at a dead duck yet walk by badly suffering homeless people without a care in the world. Sheer hypocrisy.

Proof? I give to homeless when I can.

You don't have to be an animal rights activist to see what they are doing is wrong.

nervous_twitch · 27-10-2010 03:40PM

Confab wrote: »

Sheer hypocrisy.

..not really, though. Mayhaps if these vegetarians were eating the homeless.

IvyTheTerrible · 27-10-2010 03:41PM

i've tried foie gras, and I didn't really like it, it was TOO rich. I do like other patés though.

bronte · 27-10-2010 03:42PM

sensibleken wrote: »

thats why im veggie as opposed to just avoiding the factory farmed stuff.

People either give a shít or they dont. In my experience if a vegie/vegan says something about their diet its 'being preachy', if a meat eater asks a veggie about their diet and they answer, then the veggie is also being preachy.

weird

I have learned never to mention I'm vegetarian unless asked.
Less hassle.

FreudianSlippers · 27-10-2010 03:45PM

Nothing beats Pâté on toast, but regular Foie gras not in Pâté form is delicious as well.

u140acro3xs7dm · 27-10-2010 03:47PM

Einhard wrote: »

Feck it, eat the foie gras. Then eat the 5 dollar hooker.

eat the foie gras then let the hooker eat you!

AskMyChocolate · 27-10-2010 03:50PM

enda1 wrote: »

What do you mean by pain? My printer gives an error if the paper is forced in wrong. Would that be cruel too?

Pain as humans "feel" it is a complex combination between emotion and physical response. I don't believe it is equivalent to that felt by a dumb bird.

There isn't a facepalm graphic big enough to adequately deal with this post.

Tar.Aldarion · 27-10-2010 03:51PM

Echospace wrote: »

ROFL!!!

Some of these comments are so ridiculous it's funny.

Who are these "animal rights activists" who empathically walk by suffering homeless people? Do you know them personally? Or are you talking a load of bs?

Did you read the printer one, LOL

AskMyChocolate · 27-10-2010 03:54PM

enda1 wrote: »

And my printer expresses its discomfort with an error message. Would you prefer if it squawked.

What's your point?

I would imagine it involves a central nervous system. QFT.

Foie Gras

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