If you found out your girlfriend was a transexual what would you do?

Sisko · 24-10-2010 02:39AM

gurramok wrote: »

Yes, you lobbied in the thread against transgender people using crazy views like the following:

"They were born male, a sex change doesn't change that."

and yet you later stated you supported gay marriage. That is one hell of a hypocrisy Sir.

lol @ "crazy views".

And your out of context quote of me still fails at trying to make me out to be a hypocrite.

Its not crazy to realize gender is not something so flimsy that it can easily be changed by a few surgical procedures, make up and new cloths.

I was however referring directly to the gender of the body not the mind in that comment.

Again to be blunt :

If you were born with the mind of a female and the body of a male you are not the same as someone who was born with the mind of a female and a body of a female - even if you then get your male body altered to appear female. Fact.

ArtSmart · 24-10-2010 02:41AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If you believe that someone born a man can, by way of surgery, become a woman, then you must surely also believe that Cat Man is now a tiger. To do otherwise is not merely inconsistent of you, but prejudiced against his transitional journey.

:ROFL::pac:

Cant stop laughing. dont know the context , but just cant stop laughing.

evercloserunion · 24-10-2010 02:41AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I'm not supporting or opposing anything.
I'm simply pointing out the gaping hole in your logic.

If you believe that someone born a man can, by way of surgery, become a woman, then you must surely also believe that Cat Man is now a tiger. To do otherwise is not merely inconsistent of you, but prejudiced against his transitional journey.

Your grasp of logic is tenuous at best. The two situations aren't comparable. No one in their right mind would think for a second that catman is actually a tiger. You cannot say the same for a man who has surgery to be transformed into a woman.

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 02:42AM

gurramok wrote: »

Huh? Mr. Catman can still speak a language that humans understand. Humans don't understand tiger lingo nor can be expected to accommodate tiger habits of nature so where is your point?

My point is that surgery doesn't change your inner nature. You're born what you are. Everything else is cosmetic.

gurramok wrote: »

Transgender people are not like tigers, they are human beings after all. Do you expect them to live in the wild after transition?:eek:

Actually, Tom Leppard, the Leopard Man, did indeed live in the wild for many years on the Isle of Skye.

gurramok · 24-10-2010 02:42AM

alwaysadub wrote: »

I give up. You've been nothing but a sh1t stirrer throughout this whole thread and have pretty much twisted everything everyone has said.
I've better threads to be reading..

Thats some accusation alwaysdub! I've debated with morals and beliefs in hand and always counter-acted every point with logical arguments.

ItsThatManAgain wrote:

Trust me, arguing in AH isn't worth it. It's like a Roman mob here. If your passionate about your views and wish to have an adult like conversation, then it's best to avoid the place like the black plague.

Is this an adult place? :P

I think this place is a good start to educate the uneducated in trying to overcome their discriminatory views!

fonecrusher1 · 24-10-2010 02:42AM

This thread is an accusation trap.

Voice an opinion along the lines of no i don't find transexuals attractive or no wouldn't go out with a transexual and you will inevitably be accused of being anti-transexual/gay.

Its a trap. Run away.

L.Jenkins · 24-10-2010 02:42AM

I have to restrain myself. The more I read, the more likely I am to write something that will get me a ban. Can all of you just clarify your opinions on trans people then go read a book. Seriously, these arguments are fúcking childesh!!!

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 02:44AM

evercloserunion wrote: »

Your grasp of logic is tenuous at best. The two situations aren't comparable. No one in their right mind would think for a second that catman is actually a tiger. You cannot say the same for a man who has surgery to be transformed into a woman.

Why aren't the two situations comparable?

He underwent radical surgery to more resemble the creature he internally believes he ought to be.
No difference from what TG people say.

I personally consider him to be a human, despite his 'transition.' Likewise, I consider people born men to remain so, no matter what surgery they subsequently undergo.

greenmachine88 · 24-10-2010 02:45AM

I'd call the cops

gurramok · 24-10-2010 02:45AM

Sisko wrote: »

lol @ "crazy views".

And your out of context quote of me still fails at trying to make me out to be a hypocrite.

Its not crazy to realize gender is not something so flimsy that it can easily be changed by a few surgical procedures, make up and new cloths.

I was however referring directly to the gender of the body not the mind in that comment.

Again to be blunt :

If you were born with the mind of a female and the body of a male you are not the same as someone who was born with the mind of a female and a body of a female - even if you then get your male body altered to appear female. Fact.

You quote fact, from where? The bible or Koran?! :eek:

Cavehill Red wrote: »

My point is that surgery doesn't change your inner nature. You're born what you are. Everything else is cosmetic.

Actually, Tom Leppard, the Leopard Man, did indeed live in the wild for many years on the Isle of Skye.

How do you come to the conclusion that someone who is trapped in the wrong body(human :P) is indeed a cosmetic failure?

sonic85 · 24-10-2010 02:45AM

everybody has their own views if everyone thought the same it would be a boring world. let everyone think what they like nobody is gonna change their mind tonight

L.Jenkins · 24-10-2010 02:47AM

sonic85 wrote: »

everybody has their own views if everyone thought the same it would be a boring world. let everyone think what they like nobody is gonna change their mind tonight

Sadly you've got a point there. Opinions are like asshóles, everyones got one.

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 02:48AM

gurramok wrote: »

How do you come to the conclusion that someone who is trapped in the wrong body(human :P) is indeed a cosmetic failure?

Because surgery doesn't change anything at the genetic level. I am consistent in this, whether it applies to Cat Man, Tom Leppard or trannies.

You, however, are tying yourself up in knots, because while you acknowledge that it is ludicrous for Cat Man to assert he is a tiger purely because he has had cosmetic surgery to resemble one, you don't want to admit that the same thing applies to people who have had cosmetic surgery to resemble women.

evercloserunion · 24-10-2010 02:48AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Why aren't the two situations comparable?

He underwent radical surgery to more resemble the creature he internally believes he ought to be.
No difference from what TG people say.

I personally consider him to be a human, despite his 'transition.' Likewise, I consider people born men to remain so, no matter what surgery they subsequently undergo.

I have explained to you why they are not comparable.

L.Jenkins · 24-10-2010 02:50AM

Cave, what's your opinion on transsexuals like me. Perfect oppurtunity to fess up!

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 02:51AM

ItsThatManAgain wrote: »

Cave, what's your opinion on transsexuals like me. Perfect oppurtunity to fess up!

I don't know you.
My opinion on the phenomenon in general is that it would be better dealt with by offering extensive counselling to those involved from an early age to help them come to terms with accepting who they are, rather than reaching for scalpels and lengthy bouts of toxic hormones.

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 02:53AM

evercloserunion wrote: »

I have explained to you why they are not comparable.

No, you just said in your opinion he didn't look like a tiger.
Now, again, let's substitute transgendered woman for Cat Man and see how that scans. Do you think that a man who has surgery to become a woman but still looks unconvincing as a female isn't a woman, but one who looks convincing is a woman?
In short, is gender really that shallow to you?

Sisko · 24-10-2010 02:53AM

gurramok is a shit stirring troll and he knows it.

At this stage he's not even trying to have any kind of debate.

gurramok · 24-10-2010 02:55AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Because surgery doesn't change anything at the genetic level. I am consistent in this, whether it applies to Cat Man, Tom Leppard or trannies.

You, however, are tying yourself up in knots, because while you acknowledge that it is ludicrous for Cat Man to assert he is a tiger purely because he has had cosmetic surgery to resemble one, you don't want to admit that the same thing applies to people who have had cosmetic surgery to resemble women.

It ain't all about the surgery, they feel and think like women deep inside, why have you a problem with that?

And no, Mr Catman is a ludicrous example as we are talking about humans here not Mr Frosties.

johnn · 24-10-2010 02:56AM

My most pressing concern would be that she would attempt a "Dutch Oven".

gurramok · 24-10-2010 02:57AM

Sisko wrote: »

gurramok is a shit stirring troll and he knows it.

At this stage he's not even trying to have any kind of debate.

On what basis Oh Wise One?

Just because your backward 19th Century views were objected to in posts, your last card is to accuse me of been a troll, not once but twice?

How about debating the subject instead of lashing out in the middle of the night?;)

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 02:58AM

gurramok wrote: »

It ain't all about the surgery, they feel and think like women deep inside, why have you a problem with that?

I don't have a problem with that. But they're not women. They're men who've had surgery.

gurramok wrote: »

And no, Mr Catman is a ludicrous example as we are talking about humans here not Mr Frosties.

How utterly intolerant you are of Cat Man! You're clearly a prejudiced bigot. If he wants to be a tiger, who are you to deny him the right to be a tiger?
According to your logic, if a man believes he's not a man but something else, and has sufficient surgery, then he becomes that something else.
That's what happened with Cat Man. So by your logic, he's a tiger, despite your bigotry.

Hyperbullet · 24-10-2010 02:59AM

Feckin song will be in my head all week now, thanks op.

And to answer the question, she'd get the p45.

Sisko · 24-10-2010 02:59AM

ItsThatManAgain wrote: »

Cave, what's your opinion on transsexuals like me. Perfect oppurtunity to fess up!

I'd like to know what you think of my posts, I'd rather discusses this properly then and not have it ruined by trolls.

gurramok wrote: »

On what basis

On the majority of your posts , I could quote all the troll remarks but its not even needed, you know it. I know it, everyone reading your posts knows it. I don't think transgendered people are being served well by troll posts such as yours. Resorting to trolling already implies I've out debated you anyway so I'm done with you on this thread.

L.Jenkins · 24-10-2010 03:00AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I don't know you.
My opinion on the phenomenon in general is that it would be better dealt with by offering extensive counselling to those involved from an early age to help them come to terms with accepting who they are, rather than reaching for scalpels and lengthy bouts of toxic hormones.

Well before any person can embark on a sex change, extensive counselling is required and a horrendous amount of appointments with Psychiatrists. Only when there is certainty that hormones is suitable on a case by case basis. Gender Identity Disorder is a recognised condition and Psychiatrist will over appointments to recieve hormones. As for surgery, examination is even more exhausting. Sadly most people fail to realise that transsexuality is apart of human diversity.

Transsexuality is not a phenomenon either. It's been around alot longer than our so called Western society.

gurramok · 24-10-2010 03:01AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I don't have a problem with that. But they're not women. They're men who've had surgery.

Huh? They think and behave like women, why is that offensive to you?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

How utterly intolerant you are of Cat Man! You're clearly a prejudiced bigot. If he wants to be a tiger, who are you to deny him the right to be a tiger?
According to your logic, if a man believes he's not a man but something else, and has sufficient surgery, then he becomes that something else.
That's what happened with Cat Man. So by your logic, he's a tiger, despite your bigotry.

Now, why are you defending one transition of human to animal and yet are abhorrent of an intra-human transition?

fonecrusher1 · 24-10-2010 03:03AM

Can't have a child with a tranny can ya? Get out of that one.

I might want to impregnate some poor woman some day. Have a mini fonecrusher running around fetching my beer from the fridge. Only thing your impregnating in a transexual is their ass?

Find a girl, settle down, If you want you can marry. Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy?

gurramok · 24-10-2010 03:03AM

Sisko wrote: »

I'd like to know what you think of my posts, I'd rather discusses this properly then and not have it ruined by trolls.

Thats the 3rd time you accuse me of been a troll. Perhaps you are a troll in not debating the posts properly?

Are you drunk?

Cavehill Red · 24-10-2010 03:04AM

ItsThatManAgain wrote: »

Well before any person can embark on a sex change, extensive counselling is required and a horrendous amount of appointments with Psychiatrists. Only when there is certainty that hormones is suitable on a case by case basis. Gender Identity Disorder is a recognised condition and Psychiatrist will over appointments to recieve hormones. As for surgery, examination is even more exhausting. Sadly most people fail to realise that transsexuality is apart of human diversity.

Transsexuality is not a phenomenon either. It's been around alot longer than our so called Western society.

Perhaps I should have been clearer.

We live in an age where, in Western society at least, it is possible to live many different types of lifestyle as one chooses. Given that the paradigm of the butch, heterosexual male is no longer as universal as it once was, it is now possible for effeminate men to live openly as they wish.

It seems to me that directing people via counselling to accept who they are in that manner would be preferable to reaching for the scalpel, silicone tits and hormones.

No one can change their genetics. If you were born male, no amount of cosmetic intervention is going to change that.

It seems to me that massive amounts of hormones and invasive surgery are not the answer to the question of finding happiness for people who believe they are 'trapped in the wrong body.'

Teaching them to accept themselves as they are, and permitting them to live as they wish would be less invasive and more successful at producing happiness, I suspect.

sonic85 · 24-10-2010 03:06AM

gurramok wrote: »

why are you defending one transition of human to animal and yet are abhorrent of an intra-human transition?

dude hes not defending anything! hes comparing both situations! you might say theyre radically different but theyre not really - the premise is the same

If you found out your girlfriend was a transexual what would you do?

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