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Immigrants targeted in Malmö shootings

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  • #2
    Fo Real
    Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭Fo Real


    1) We can't rule out the possibility that the gunman is an immigrant himself

    2) If it is a white Swede, maybe it's his twisted way of venting his frustration at the the government's neglect of the natives.

    A third of Malmo residents are foreign born, the majority being Muslim. They will, of course, bring significant cultural change to the city in such large numbers. The whites must feel marginalised as their city is changing so rapidly in front of their eyes, especially when they had no say in this change.


  • #3
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fo Real wrote: »
    1) We can't rule out the possibility that the gunman is an immigrant himself

    2) If it is a white Swede, maybe it's his twisted way of venting his frustration at the the government's neglect of the natives.

    A third of Malmo residents are foreign born, the majority being Muslim. They will, of course, bring significant cultural change to the city in such large numbers. The whites must feel marginalised as their city is changing so rapidly in front of their eyes, especially when they had no say in this change.

    So you're trying to justify this by speculation about what the "whites" feel like......?


  • #4
    seawolf145
    Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭seawolf145


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're trying to justify this by speculation about what the "whites" feel like......?

    No probably just trying to justify the future of Europe


  • #5
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    If it is a organized group, then surely this is terrorism. It may be a lone racist nut job as well however.


  • #6
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    seawolf145 wrote: »
    No probably just trying to justify the future of Europe

    ....do explain please.


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  • #7
    seawolf145
    Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭seawolf145


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....do explain please.

    Read the news,do really need to explain????


  • #8
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    seawolf145 wrote: »
    Read the news,do really need to explain????
    Yes, you do. This is a discussion forum. If you're not interested in discussion, don't post.


  • #9
    seawolf145
    Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭seawolf145


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Yes, you do. This is a discussion forum. If you're not interested in discussion, don't post.

    Gotten out of bed on the wrong side today maybe?Hungover maybe.
    When things are so obvious i dont see any point in discussing it,but thats me.Any problems with that?And its not only me here.


  • #10
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    seawolf145 wrote: »
    Any problems with that?
    Yes. Take a week off to think about it.


  • #11
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,582 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    You'd expect someone to claim the shootings if it was immigrant related. It could be just lunatic related.


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  • #12
    erikbloodaxe
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    dsmythy wrote: »
    You'd expect someone to claim the shootings if it was immigrant related. It could be just lunatic related.

    Not always.there was a similar case in Sweden back in the 90s.
    The socalled "laserman" as he was nicknamed.
    Source

    And i believe he came from a emmigrant background himself.


  • #13
    ValJester
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭ValJester


    There's been a surge in anti-immigrant sentiment in Sweden, with their BNP equivalent undergoing a rise in support.I wouldn't be surprised to see there's a link.


  • #14
    jugger0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Why are so many muslims coming to Europe?

    The swedes have had enough i guess, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTWbY5PNnJU stuff like that doesnt help the muslims, they dont intergrate either.

    Not long now before race riots and all that crap:rolleyes:


  • #15
    Keptic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Keptic


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Why are so many muslims coming to Europe?
    Wouldn't you go yourself to a nice, safe (sic!) muslim country that would pay you money just because you decided to live there as well as abandon it's own traditions, as they could insult you in some way? :rolleyes:

    I would...


  • #16
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Keptic wrote: »
    Wouldn't you go yourself to a nice, safe (sic!) muslim country that would pay you money just because you decided to live there as well as abandon it's own traditions, as they could insult you in some way? :rolleyes:

    I would...

    What "traditions" are the Swedes abandoning, as a matter of interest....?


  • #17
    jugger0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Nodin wrote: »
    What "traditions" are the Swedes abandoning, as a matter of interest....?

    Free speech for one.


  • #18
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Free speech for one.

    I was unaware they had. You've some news source for that, perchance?


  • #19
    Keptic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Keptic


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was unaware they had. You've some news source for that, perchance?
    Have you heard of "Mahomet cartoons"?

    Ah, that was actually Denmark, sorry..


  • #20
    jugger0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was unaware they had. You've some news source for that, perchance?

    Ya check the link on the previous page, check this too
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938


  • #21
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Ya check the link on the previous page, check this too
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938

    The above article doesn't have anything to do with "freedom of speech" in its content that I can see....and the fact of its existence and content would rather suggest that free speech is alive and well where he/she is based.

    The previous page has a link to a few headers complaining about the content of a video.

    So again - The question was - " What "traditions" are the Swedes abandoning, as a matter of interest....?
    And the reply was "Free Speech for one".

    Could we have some evidence for the Swedes/state of Sweden giving up and/or abandoning their "traditions" in the specfic form of free speech, if ye would....


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  • #22
    Keptic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Keptic


    Nodin wrote: »
    the Swedes
    Do they have to be the Swedes? Couldn't it be, lets say, UK? Like the one with Christmas with no Christmas Tree in the class (insulting muslim kids) or recently found (will find again) about closing small takeaway because of the smell of the fried bacon (insulting muslims)? I find them links and post here at my earliest convenience.

    I realise that these are probably exceptions that do not apply to the majority, but no way I can agree with the fact that we have the same rights, care, freedom and equal treatment in Muslim countries like they get in EU. Have you ever heard of a battle in any of Muslim goverments in the Middle East about european women having right to wear miniskirts or going topless on the beach?


  • #23
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Keptic wrote: »
    Do they have to be the Swedes? ?

    Yes, unless the shooter decides he wants to winter somewhere else.
    Keptic wrote: »
    or recently found (will find again) about closing small takeaway because of the smell of the fried bacon (insulting muslims)? I find them links and post here at my earliest convenience. ?

    The Daily Fail. I've gone through that comprehensively here, from post 476 to more or less the end of the thread.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056062904&page=32
    Keptic wrote: »
    I realise that these are probably exceptions that do not apply to the majority, but no way I can agree with the fact that we have the same rights, care, freedom and equal treatment in Muslim countries like they get in EU.

    I do what I consider to be the "right thing" because I consider it to be the right thing to do. That isn't dependent on somebody else acting in a similar fashion. The all too often repeated 'But the Saudis....' isn't really a logically sound argument. Otherwise we'd still have beheadings here.


  • #24
    jugger0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Nodin wrote: »
    The above article doesn't have anything to do with "freedom of speech" in its content that I can see....and the fact of its existence and content would rather suggest that free speech is alive and well where he/she is based.

    The previous page has a link to a few headers complaining about the content of a video.

    So again - The question was - " What "traditions" are the Swedes abandoning, as a matter of interest....?
    And the reply was "Free Speech for one".

    Could we have some evidence for the Swedes/state of Sweden giving up and/or abandoning their "traditions" in the specfic form of free speech, if ye would....

    The previous video i linked... watch it and see how the muslims express themselves, if you express views different to theirs they wish jihad upon you. The second link is worrying IMO. Sweden is pretty much being destroyed from the inside out and nobody is doing anything about it? look at the statistics on the crime rates, disgusting.
    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/

    Why is the european union flooding itself with these "people"? this is only going to get worse.


  • #25
    Keptic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Keptic


    Nodin wrote: »
    I do what I consider to be the "right thing" because I consider it to be the right thing to do. That isn't dependent on somebody else acting in a similar fashion. The all too often repeated 'But the Saudis....' isn't really a logically sound argument. Otherwise we'd still have beheadings here.
    If you* feed a random, hungry dog - because you simply feel it's the right thing to do - and the dog bites your hand, you may say it's an accident. If you feed the dog and your hand gets bitten again - you may find another excuse. If it happens over and over again but you keep feeding the dog and your hand keeps getting hurt - you're either, excuse me, not a very wise guy or enojy being bitten. Your choice, but you can't expect everyone to share this passion.

    * - I refer to "you" as anyone, not you in particular.


  • #26
    meglome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭meglome


    and the assailant shot that last person in the back too... lovely guy obviously.


  • #27
    djpbarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Why are so many muslims coming to Europe?
    jugger0 wrote: »
    Why is the european union flooding itself with these "people"?
    There are an estimated 1.57 billion Muslims worldwide, of which an estimated 13 million live in the EU.

    So a better question to ask would perhaps be, given that over 99.2% of all Muslims live outside the EU and over 97.4% of EU residents are non-Muslim, what’s with all this hysteria about the “Islamisation” of Europe?


  • #28
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    djpbarry wrote: »
    There are an estimated 1.57 billion Muslims worldwide, of which an estimated 13 million live in the EU.

    So a better question to ask would perhaps be, given that over 99.2% of all Muslims live outside the EU and over 97.4% of EU residents are non-Muslim, what’s with all this hysteria about the “Islamisation” of Europe?

    Doesn't look like the numbers are that low in EU cities. Take a walk around PAris, Amsterdam, London, Dublin etc

    Accession states skewing the statistics a bit I'd imagine.


  • #29
    Tordenskjold
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5 ✭Tordenskjold


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was unaware they had. You've some news source for that, perchance?

    Sweden have had freedom of speech since 1974,the same goes for the rest of scandinavia.:)

    http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/emire/SWEDEN/ANCHOR-YTTRANDEFRIHET-SE.htm


  • #30
    Tordenskjold
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5 ✭Tordenskjold


    Nodin wrote: »
    The above article doesn't have anything to do with "freedom of speech" in its content that I can see....and the fact of its existence and content would rather suggest that free speech is alive and well where he/she is based.

    The previous page has a link to a few headers complaining about the content of a video.

    So again - The question was - " What "traditions" are the Swedes abandoning, as a matter of interest....?
    And the reply was "Free Speech for one".

    Could we have some evidence for the Swedes/state of Sweden giving up and/or abandoning their "traditions" in the specfic form of free speech, if ye would....

    The swedish media is no longer allowed to give names or ethnic background of a person that commits a criminal offence,something they did 10 years ago,simly to avoid the reactions from the public.
    So yes it will affect the freedom of speech.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilla_Saltsj%C3%B6badsavtalet


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  • #31
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Tordenskjold wrote: »
    The swedish media is no longer allowed to give names or ethnic background of a person that commits a criminal offence,something they did 10 years ago,simly to avoid the reactions from the public.
    So yes it will affect the freedom of speech.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilla_Saltsj%C3%B6badsavtalet

    From your link....
    Lilla Saltsjöbadsavtalet is an alleged meeting which is claimed to have occurred
    In 2009, editor-in-chief of Kristianstadsbladet, Lasse Bernfalk, described "Lilla Saltsjöbadsavtalet" as "nothing other than a myth".
    In 2010, editor-in-chief of Expressen, Thomas Mattsson, claimed that talk of "a "tacit agreement", where one sometimes argue that "Svenska journalistklubben" met at the Grand Hotel in Saltsjöbaden 1987 and signed "Lilla Saltsjöbadsavtalet" on trying to leave problems of the multicultural society in the dark", was a "myth"[6] and "conspiracy theory".[7]

    (my bold, where present)


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