What is the most goverment can take off social welfare?

CorkMan · 22-10-2010 03:21AM #1

I assume €10-€15 euro max. Lots of people are struggling, they can't cut off too much.

Biggins · 22-10-2010 03:24AM

*sigh*

...Not another one!

Ruu_Old · 22-10-2010 03:25AM

The whole lot!

kowloon · 22-10-2010 03:36AM

€7 billion

old_aussie · 22-10-2010 03:37AM

Reduce the dole by 2.5% per month till it gets down to 66% of the max.

Jesus Wept · 22-10-2010 03:43AM

I really don't see what help it is to people's psyche to make them progressively poorer month after month after month after month after month after month after month.

PanchoVilla · 22-10-2010 04:34AM

I reckon we should cut the dole completely and just have everyone dealing drugs, robbing shops, or mugging tourists in Temple Bar. Prostitution is also a good option. That'll sort the economy.

goose2005 · 22-10-2010 04:55AM

Given that the British unemployed get £60 a week, it could go down by a lot. Then again, there's far more to be made by cutting high earners than low earners.

Pdfile · 22-10-2010 04:56AM

CorkMan wrote: »

I assume €10-€15 euro max. Lots of people are struggling, they can't cut off too much.

their as actual jobs out their just not worth anyones time doing them as they might have to be productive...

i dunno and dont care, the whole country can sink ima stay afloat.

Pherekydes · 22-10-2010 07:32AM

100%

Chorcai · 22-10-2010 07:37AM

Pdfile wrote: »

their as actual jobs out their just not worth anyones time doing them as they might have to be productive...

i dunno and dont care, the whole country can sink ima stay afloat.

What ?

22-10-2010 07:54AM

They should have some bloody balls and make jobseekers benefit payable for up to 2 years if you've paid up to 2-3 years worth of stamps. They should take jobseekers allowance on the other hand and reduce it to 100 euro a week.

If you've been long term unemployed then I don't see why you should be getting the same as people who have actually paid towards their dole. And if you've paid towards your dole you shouldn't have it cut the same as people who haven't, just so the government can be seen to be doing good for the "most vulnerable" (read: Scum) for votes.

Osgoodisgood · 22-10-2010 08:48AM

goose2005 wrote: »

Given that the British unemployed get £60 a week, it could go down by a lot. Then again, there's far more to be made by cutting high earners than low earners.

I'd like to see the maths on that.

Pherekydes · 22-10-2010 08:48AM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

...just so the government can be seen to be doing good for the "most vulnerable" (read: Scum) for votes.

Not wanting to sidetrack this thread into a serious discussion, but how does it follow that the most vulnerable in society are scum?

ctrl-alt-delete · 22-10-2010 08:57AM

goose2005 wrote: »

Given that the British unemployed get £60 a week, it could go down by a lot. Then again, there's far more to be made by cutting high earners than low earners.

The prices for the stuff that social welfare is spent on differ by about the same percentage, you can't really base it on the figure received alone.
I would say given that in most cases 100% of social welfare payments go straight back into the economy then they won't be too harsh on it - maybe the same amount as last time.

bigbluesky · 22-10-2010 09:19AM

if they take a hatchet to social welfare

they will have to re spend it on prisons..

IMF 'social cohesion' risks with savage cuts

up for anything · 22-10-2010 09:24AM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

They should have some bloody balls and make jobseekers benefit payable for up to 2 years if you've paid up to 2-3 years worth of stamps. They should take jobseekers allowance on the other hand and reduce it to 100 euro a week.

If you've been long term unemployed then I don't see why you should be getting the same as people who have actually paid towards their dole. And if you've paid towards your dole you shouldn't have it cut the same as people who haven't, just so the government can be seen to be doing good for the "most vulnerable" (read: Scum) for votes.

Pherekydes wrote: »

Not wanting to sidetrack this thread into a serious discussion, but how does it follow that the most vulnerable in society are scum?

Oh that's easy, Pherekydes. At the moment I am an upstanding member of society with twenty years of stamps behind her but unfortunately on social welfare for nearly a year. In another year unless I am lucky enough to win the lottery or find a job that will match my munificent social welfare income*, I turn into scum. It's as easy as that.

*Probably the same odds as winning the lottery.

squod · 22-10-2010 09:28AM

goose2005 wrote: »

Given that the British unemployed get £60 a week, it could go down by a lot. Then again, there's far more to be made by cutting high earners than low earners.

There's people in Britain on £1,000 a week and more WYB. They don't have the same cap as we do.

Nijmegen · 22-10-2010 09:34AM

Yes, let's cut it randomly for all people, regardless of their circumstances.

The same cut for a person living in a household with someone still working and earning as for someone living alone or with two on the dole!

To give an analogy about social welfare targeting...

We're in the 21st Century, where a missile can be fired from 200 miles away and hit a target to within a few inches.

In Ireland, we're still throwing grenades out the side of our World War 1 biplane and hoping for the best.

DonJose · 22-10-2010 10:29AM

The government should not cut the dole they should tax it, in fact all benefits and pensions should be taxed. There are too many people in Ireland paying no tax at all. In Germany the tax free amount is €8,004, in Ireland its €18,300 :eek:

thebigbiffo · 22-10-2010 10:38AM

meh - about 15 quid a week. and then the unemployed will be up in arms and we'll have to look at talkin heads on the news all day talking about how 15 euros can push people over the edge.

if a single individual cant get by on 185 quid a week we've got issues

homerjay2005 · 22-10-2010 10:40AM

there are so many ways to means test it that could save millions, even billions. but they are probably jsut too lazy to do that and will just cut everybody by 10euro.

Some people on the dole,live a very comfortable life. and people also forget, theres more than just the dole, theres rent allowance, child benifit, single parents allowance.

it is all too much and people, in some cases are better off being on SW than working. a cousin of mine claimed to be getting 1500 a week in social welfare. i know another couple who are non national and get 2700 a month off social and live a top class lifestyle from it. neither of them have worked in almost 2 years.

i would cut it by 50% for people 18-21 living at home.
would cut the single parents allowance by 50%, if you want to have kids, then its your choice to feed them and cloth them.
long term unemployed, greater than 3 years, cut by 50%.
cut rent allowance by 25%,if people want to live in lush apartments and have the government pay for them, then let them pay for them themselves.

we waste more money on SW than any other country in europe, its not funny anymore.

bryaner · 22-10-2010 10:40AM

You got to love some people that have this romantic vision of being on social welfare.

After 20 years working I get to sit in my kitchen with my Regatta great outdoors jacket on.

Come on over to my place (bring your jacket).

gonedrinking · 22-10-2010 10:54AM

we are on the brink of total meltdown, one of the poorest countries in the western world, yet we have one of the most generous social welfare systems in the world, it beggars belief

bryaner · 22-10-2010 10:59AM

Come on then get on board lets see how you can stretch €106.90 a week.

Quandary · 22-10-2010 11:01AM

Would it be so bad if Germany had won i wonder...

ejmaztec · 22-10-2010 11:07AM

Quandary wrote: »

Would it be so bad if Germany had won i wonder...

What's the World Cup got to do with this?

bryaner · 22-10-2010 11:09AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

What's the World Cup got to do with this?

The world cup with tanks.

22-10-2010 11:12AM

bryaner wrote: »

Come on then get on board lets see how you can stretch €106.90 a week.

Unless you're paying a mortgage also the dole is extremely easy to survive on. I saved 100 euro a week when I was on it and I was spending almost 40 quid a week on smokes...

bryaner · 22-10-2010 11:16AM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Unless you're paying a mortgage also the dole is extremely easy to survive on. I saved 100 euro a week when I was on it and I was spending almost 40 quid a week on smokes...

Mortgage 2 kids and wife just above min wage.

Susie_Q · 22-10-2010 11:23AM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Unless you're paying a mortgage also the dole is extremely easy to survive on. I saved 100 euro a week when I was on it and I was spending almost 40 quid a week on smokes...

Then I assume you're living at home with Mummy and Daddy who pay for your electricity, gas, food, household cleaning products etc? Get real.

What is the most goverment can take off social welfare?

Comments