Scumbag sues Garda

HarryPotter41 · 20-10-2010 02:37AM

dontbossme wrote: »

So u assume i am lying???

I was being refused from copper face jacks on harcourt street...A drunk off duty gard flashed his id with a Garda image on it pushing me around then i had 2bouncers and him kicking me when i was on the ground, my mate had to pull me away we hopped in a cab and went to James hospital.I got stiches if u want a pic of the scar on my eyebrow send me your e-mail address i will send 1 or tell me how to post 1 here and i will just saying they hide be hind a uniform or badge bout time people are taking them to court ....

Where did I say you were lying?? Please quote the part of the post to me.

Bosco boy · 20-10-2010 03:27AM

It's not easy be popular when you have to arrest a certain percentage of the population for offences from murder to rape to public order and drunk driving an all the other offences in between, if you want to join the gardai to be popular your a fool, the job brings with it many unhappy customers who don't like having to obey laws that the majority obey. There are bad apples in the gardai as in every occupation and you have to remember that the gardai are recuited from the public and are representative of the public. By international standards they are one of the most respected police forces in the world especially as an unarmed force.

HarryPotter41 · 20-10-2010 04:57AM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I think they should stop recruiting people from "tough" areas. A lot of the people they get from those areas are people that can't do anything else so to get a job and with a very good wage and "authority" they join the gardai.

So what tough areas are they recruiting gardai from? How are they singling them out in the whole interview and medical process?? or are ya just spouting uninformed opinion?

senordingdong · 20-10-2010 08:36AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well Ill put it this way it wouldnt surprise me, all the pieces fit member of the irish police force, assault on a person smaller than the gaurd and the assault happened in a disadvantaged area(less likely to charge or be believed).

One good thing the repeat offender has done by reporting the offending officers is open the door for other cases to come out.

That's a silly attitude to take.
It works the exact same way if I flip it around on you.

smash · 20-10-2010 10:32AM

Lads, just ignore SuperInfinity. He's probably the lad who got the hiding and he feels so strongly about all this that he had to send me a PM to call me an idiot and apparently I'm the scumbag... :rolleyes:

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angelfire9 · 20-10-2010 10:54AM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

look the irish gards are a joke there's no denying it, most are just snakes and cowards in uniforms most of them are fat and overweight who sit in the squadron:D all day and patrol the streets for provisional drivers thats the truth.

First off "squadron" I assume you mean squad room?? Which is a weird way to refer to an area of a Garda Station

Do you not think its a bit of a generalisation to refer to "most of them" as snakes etc etc, when in reality it is a very small minority who act the muppet

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

garda only have good relationships with the well off in this country and are a law upon themselves, very hard to find a decent garda.

That, IMHO is BS, Gardai have good relationships with ANYONE who is law abiding regardless of financial status

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

it amazes me how they take on overweight young people but thats ireland for you.

Am.... they don't.... they have to undergo a rigorous medical to be accepted into the Gardai

Sunnyisland · 20-10-2010 11:06AM

This is nothing new, and has been going on for years,The only difference now is that the guards are been actually challenged & charged that would not have happened in the 70,s/80,s, I remember the heavy gang who were mostly attached to the murder squad,they beat the answers out of prisoners,went on for years.There are numerous other incidents of assaults by gardai and every year they pay out subtanial money to its victims,usually before its gets to the courts,The nicky kelly case of the 70,s is a good case to check out,having said all that i think most guards are ok but like everything there are always bad ones who think they are superior and the law does not apply to them. :-)

dontbossme · 20-10-2010 11:09AM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Where did I say you were lying?? Please quote the part of the post to me.

"People tend to present the facts in a light to show themselves in a good light".

This is what u said might as well say i was lying!!

HarryPotter41 · 20-10-2010 12:59PM

dontbossme wrote: »

"People tend to present the facts in a light to show themselves in a good light".

This is what u said might as well say i was lying!!

I directed the comment as a general comment. hence the use of the word people. I actually see no reference at all to you in that comment.

mufcboy1999 · 20-10-2010 03:37PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

That's because the "well off" as you put it, which i presume to you means anyone with a full-time job, are usually fairly law abiding. It's the welfare-class scobes that commit 99% of the offences in this country and the Gardai are right to have complete disdain for them, as the rest of us should as well.

They don't. You have to pass a rigorous physical to get in. Nice to see more uninformed jibberish in this thread.

lol are you serious the garda fitness test is a joke anyone with a reasonable level of fitness would ace it so get of your high horse and dont make me post it up here to shut you up once and for all.

by this i assume you think i dont have a full time job, im in the army bud so thats that. the welfare class? so i guess the other class of people are silver spooners who lives off there mammys and daddys and get everything on a plate, you have some nerve saying that.

until you actually have to deal with the garda properly and witness them hitting people etc which they do a lot and get away with keep your opinions to yourself, most of the silver spoon class will never understand this.

the silver spooners are the biggest robbers in the country just look at all the td's and banks, difference is they get away with it why? because money talks and the well off get treated different.

MagicSean · 20-10-2010 03:47PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

lol are you serious the garda fitness test is a joke anyone with a reasonable level of fitness would ace it so get of your high horse and dont make me post it up here to shut you up once and for all.

by this i assume you think i dont have a full time job, im in the army bud so thats that. the welfare class? so i guess the other class of people are silver spooners who lives off there mammys and daddys and get everything on a plate, you have some nerve saying that.

until you actually have to deal with the garda properly and witness them hitting people etc which they do a lot and get away with keep your opinions to yourself, most of the silver spoon class will never understand this.

the silver spooners are the biggest robbers in the country just look at all the td's and banks, difference is they get away with it why? because money talks and the well off get treated different.

No because they don't use a blood filled syringe to take it from you

dontbossme wrote: »

So u assume i am lying???

I was being refused from copper face jacks on harcourt street...A drunk off duty gard flashed his id with a Garda image on it pushing me around then i had 2bouncers and him kicking me when i was on the ground, my mate had to pull me away we hopped in a cab and went to James hospital.I got stiches if u want a pic of the scar on my eyebrow send me your e-mail address i will send 1 or tell me how to post 1 here and i will just saying they hide be hind a uniform or badge bout time people are taking them to court ....

By saying you were being refused you mean you were putting it up to the bouncers?

mufcboy1999 · 20-10-2010 03:53PM

k_mac wrote: »

No because they don't use a blood filled syringe to take it from you

By saying you were being refused you mean you were putting it up to the bouncers?

no bud they just use batons and force.

MagicSean · 20-10-2010 04:25PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

no bud they just use batons and force.

I'm not aware of any bankers doing this.

K-9 · 20-10-2010 04:26PM

Its all clearer now.

Reloc8 · 20-10-2010 04:31PM

Seriously boys and girls...any attempt to draw generalisations out of this case is probably a waste of time/energy/brain cells and almost anyone who I've seen posting in this thread trying to do that is just agenda riddled, i.e. one or other of :-

a) Scumbags deserve what they get, including being assaulted with weapons,or
b) All gardai are bastards

Otherwise, I think the point is that most of us would prefer to believe that no garda would ever assault anyone. It makes us uncomfortable to think that a garda would lose their temper and act violently, lie in court or whatnot, and people like to be comfortable.

Equally most of us tend towards a sympathetic and grateful view that gardai do a job that we would rather not do ourselves but need done, and face risks and dangers in doing it that we don't, and we accept that most of the people doing that job do it properly, most of the time.

Unfortunately, every now and then an incident comes to our attention which kicks us out of our comfort zone and makes it impossible to ignore that as in every walk of life there are bullies, thugs, liars and persons with violent tendencies in an Garda Siochana. Equally, sometimes genuinely decent people do horrible things. Gardai are no different.

When these incidents happen, it makes most of us acutely aware of the power and authority which gardai have over the rest of us, and the trust that we place in them. When the power and authority is abused, or the trust broken, its not unreasonable that we view this as serious acts of criminality.

It is unreasonable to proceed on the basis that all Gardai partake in or condone that sort of thing and it is obnoxious to take the view that there is or ought to be some sort of open-season on people who we don't like the cut of.

The real question for me is the extent to which Gardai are aware of all that, and realise that covering up misbehaviour ultimately results in people distrusting and disliking them. We can accept that one individual who crosses the line i does not reflect the rest of the force, as long as the rest of the force act appropriately when they come across that individual, which means report, investigate and where appropriate prosecute.

On the specific case - that's for a judge and jury to decide.

Bosco boy · 20-10-2010 05:39PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

lol are you serious the garda fitness test is a joke anyone with a reasonable level of fitness would ace it so get of your high horse and dont make me post it up here to shut you up once and for all.

by this i assume you think i dont have a full time job, im in the army bud so thats that. the welfare class? so i guess the other class of people are silver spooners who lives off there mammys and daddys and get everything on a plate, you have some nerve saying that.

until you actually have to deal with the garda properly and witness them hitting people etc which they do a lot and get away with keep your opinions to yourself, most of the silver spoon class will never understand this.

the silver spooners are the biggest robbers in the country just look at all the td's and banks, difference is they get away with it why? because money talks and the well off get treated different.

Hey Bud! its great to hear that the army are fit and have no one overweight in their ranks, its also great to hear that its scumbag free, its a pity all other professions couldnt live up to that standard. Funny I have a few friends in the army that might disagree with you!!

coolhandspan · 20-10-2010 07:29PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

You should see how they abuse the emergency blue lights on the roads, jesus it's a miracle more people don't end up dead because of it.

They're supposed to be an example to the rest of us, giving us tickets often for bullcrap offences like going slightly over the speed limit when there's noone around, and yet every little chance they get it's up with the blue lights and reckless driving through the city centre in rush-hour traffic, cutting everyone off... and there's no emergency at all.

Of course this just applies to some gardai, not all of them. I think they should stop recruiting people from "tough" areas. A lot of the people they get from those areas are people that can't do anything else so to get a job and with a very good wage and "authority" they join the gardai.

you cant just insult people from working class areas .............??

coolhandspan · 20-10-2010 07:31PM

steve06 wrote: »

Lads, just ignore SuperInfinity. He's probably the lad who got the hiding and he feels so strongly about all this that he had to send me a PM to call me an idiot and apparently I'm the scumbag... :rolleyes:

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well said steve06, that guy is not making sense.

SuperInfinity · 20-10-2010 07:50PM

coolhandspan wrote: »

well said steve06, that guy is not making sense.

I am making sense. I'm saying that 1) Gardai shouldn't abuse their power, 2) Criminals have their rights 3) Joining the Gardai can be seen as an easy way to get high-earning employment for many people... in the paper a while ago they were reporting about how they had such huge numbers of people applying to get in. Usually people who go to college with a different career in mind never think of joining the gardai, some of them do but rarely.

There's no contradiction there, it makes perfect sense. Any other serious job needs very stringent vetting, so should the gardai... that's all I was saying. Sorry if you expected me to be 100% behind one "side".

coolhandspan · 20-10-2010 07:53PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I am making sense. I'm saying that 1) Gardai shouldn't abuse their power, 2) Criminals have their rights 3) Joining the Gardai can be seen as an easy way to get high-earning employment for many people... in the paper a while ago they were reporting about how they had such huge numbers of people applying to get in. Usually people who go to college with a different career in mind never think of joining the gardai, some of them do but rarely.

There's no contradiction there, it makes perfect sense. Any other serious job needs very stringent vetting, so should the gardai... that's all I was saying.

they do have stringent vetting. you cant just slate working class areas, i believe you had bad experience guy and i aint windin you up. just take a breath and look at what you are sayin

HarryPotter41 · 20-10-2010 08:44PM

coolhandspan wrote: »

they do have stringent vetting. you cant just slate working class areas, i believe you had bad experience guy and i aint windin you up. just take a breath and look at what you are sayin

Totally agreed, the vetting process looks seriously at the candidates via referees who know them long term and via their local gardai, its as stringently vetted as any job if not more so.

archer22 · 20-10-2010 09:40PM

realies wrote: »

This is nothing new, and has been going on for years,The only difference now is that the guards are been actually challenged & charged that would not have happened in the 70,s/80,s, I remember the heavy gang who were mostly attached to the murder squad,they beat the answers out of prisoners,went on for years.There are numerous other incidents of assaults by gardai and every year they pay out subtanial money to its victims,usually before its gets to the courts,The nicky kelly case of the 70,s is a good case to check out,having said all that i think most guards are ok but like everything there are always bad ones who think they are superior and the law does not apply to them. :-)

Justice Morris stated in the Morris tribunal.."there is a culture of dishonesty in the Garda Siochana"...The Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission recieves over 3000 complaints a year from the public regarding the Garda Siochana...and just google, corrupt Gardai and read the results if you got a day or two to spare that is.National police force or national disgrace!!?.You judge

Bosco boy · 20-10-2010 09:49PM

archer22 wrote: »

Justice Morris stated in the Morris tribunal.."there is a culture of dishonesty in the Garda Siochana"...The Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission recieves over 3000 complaints a year from the public regarding the Garda Siochana...and just google, corrupt Gardai and read the results if you got a day or two to spare that is.National police force or national disgrace!!?.You judge

How many of the complaints were found admisable, how many were found to be malicious the vast majority, Justice Morris was dealing with a tribunal that dealt with incidents in or around 1996, 60 - 70% of the gardai serving now were not in the force at that time. There are 14,000 gardai and 3000 complaints in a year most of which are not admisable, how many interactions each day do gardai have with people between enforcing law and general policing - its huge, you google anything and get results, try politicans and corruption, try solicitors and malpractice, try builders and rip off, tell us what you do yourself and i'll google it for you!

archer22 · 20-10-2010 10:24PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

How many of the complaints were found admisable, how many were found to be malicious the vast majority, Justice Morris was dealing with a tribunal that dealt with incidents in or around 1996, 60 - 70% of the gardai serving now were not in the force at that time. There are 14,000 gardai and 3000 complaints in a year most of which are not admisable, how many interactions each day do gardai have with people between enforcing law and general policing - its huge, you google anything and get results, try politicans and corruption, try solicitors and malpractice, try builders and rip off, tell us what you do yourself and i'll google it for you!

from memory I believe around two thirds of the cases were found to be admissable.None were deemed malicious or at least nobody was charged with such an offence and it would be a very serious offence.Also it is safe to assume the number of complaints is only the tip of the iceberg as majority of people and especially those in deprived areas will have no confidence in the procedure given that the majority of complaints are again handled by the Gardai.So the fact that 3000 complaints are made anually against a force of only 14000 is pretty startling.Justice Morris stated ..the Gardai have a culture of dishonesty...which is a pretty damning statement from a judge on a nations police force.And given what we have seen recently there is no need to doubt his statement or think that anything has changed.Seems to have got worse if anything.

Bosco boy · 20-10-2010 10:38PM

Here are some satistics in relation to 2009 which are the most up to date and the data is from the AGSI website. cant provide a link, thanks to google by the way!

Thirty-four percent of the allegations contained in the 2,097 complaints received in 2009 were deemed to be inadmissible. Of the 232 cases investigated by the gardaí, supervised by GSOC, no breach of discipline was discovered in 217 cases - 94%! Of the 1,505 cases dealt with by 'unsupervised' garda investigations no breach of discipline was discovered in 1,376 cases - 91%.

Material in the GSOC Annual Report has led to misleading headlines in the media as in last year when the actions of 104 gardaí were misrepresented as causing serious injury or death, arising from reading the Executive Summary only. The factual situation was that 104 cases were referred to GSOC under Section 102 of the Garda Síochána Act - 50% of them referring to traffic accidents. The report in fact found that in 45% of all cases no serious injury was disclosed.

Of the Section 98 offences investigated - those which appear to involve offences -25 files were forwarded to the DPP, he directed no prosecution in 16 cases and only two convictions were actually recorded.

thebullkf · 20-10-2010 10:45PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

Here are some satistics in relation to 2009 which are the most up to date and the data is from the AGSI website. cant provide a link

Thirty-four percent of the allegations contained in the 2,097 complaints received in 2009 were deemed to be inadmissible. Of the 232 cases investigated by the gardaí, supervised by GSOC, no breach of discipline was discovered in 217 cases - 94%! Of the 1,505 cases dealt with by 'unsupervised' garda investigations no breach of discipline was discovered in 1,376 cases - 91%.

Material in the GSOC Annual Report has led to misleading headlines in the media as in last year when the actions of 104 gardaí were misrepresented as causing serious injury or death, arising from reading the Executive Summary only. The factual situation was that 104 cases were referred to GSOC under Section 102 of the Garda Síochána Act - 50% of them referring to traffic accidents. The report in fact found that in 45% of all cases no serious injury was disclosed.

Of the Section 98 offences investigated - those which appear to involve offences -25 files were forwarded to the DPP, he directed no prosecution in 16 cases and only two convictions were actually recorded.

says it all really.

archer22 · 20-10-2010 11:04PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

Here are some satistics in relation to 2009 which are the most up to date and the data is from the AGSI website. cant provide a link

Thirty-four percent of the allegations contained in the 2,097 complaints received in 2009 were deemed to be inadmissible. Of the 232 cases investigated by the gardaí, supervised by GSOC, no breach of discipline was discovered in 217 cases - 94%! Of the 1,505 cases dealt with by 'unsupervised' garda investigations no breach of discipline was discovered in 1,376 cases - 91%.

Material in the GSOC Annual Report has led to misleading headlines in the media as in last year when the actions of 104 gardaí were misrepresented as causing serious injury or death, arising from reading the Executive Summary only. The factual situation was that 104 cases were referred to GSOC under Section 102 of the Garda Síochána Act - 50% of them referring to traffic accidents. The report in fact found that in 45% of all cases no serious injury was disclosed.

Of the Section 98 offences investigated - those which appear to involve offences -25 files were forwarded to the DPP, he directed no prosecution in 16 cases and only two convictions were actually recorded.

so around two thirds were deemed admissable after initial investigation by the GSOC.And nobody has been prosecuted for making a malicious complaint.So its safe to assume there was some justification for the complaints.Overwhelming majority of complaints were investigated by the Gardai themselves with predictable results as in old Garda complaints board.And of 25 files forwarded to DPP only 2 convictions!!.Hmm enough said :rolleyes:.

K-9 · 20-10-2010 11:20PM

thebullkf wrote: »

says it all really.

Yeah, they can't win can they. Damned if 100's of cases were won, damned if only 2.

dontbossme · 20-10-2010 11:29PM

k_mac wrote: »

No because they don't use a blood filled syringe to take it from you

By saying you were being refused you mean you were putting it up to the bouncers?

No i was at door's being told i couldn't go is as it was a student night..Also i was with some other people and my girlfriend was there with us... We where in good form... And as i was leaving copper face jacks on harcourt street a off duty gard flashed his badge told me to f off or he would nick me he was half Langered.. I could smell drink of him i told him he had now rights to nick me or pull his badge on me i got a dig and fell to the ground then him and the bouncers where kicking me as i lay in a ball on the ground i didnt report it in case the gards gave me a hard time over it im not from dublin and was told that was a good place to go, Never again would i go near the city center in dublin :eek:

sesna · 20-10-2010 11:40PM

dontbossme wrote: »

No i was at door's being told i couldn't go is as it was a student night..Also i was with some other people and my girlfriend was there with us... We where in good form... And as i was leaving copper face jacks on harcourt street a off duty gard flashed his badge told me to f off or he would nick me he was half Langered.. I could smell drink of him i told him he had now rights to nick me or pull his badge on me i got a dig and fell to the ground then him and the bouncers where kicking me as i lay in a ball on the ground i didnt report it in case the gards gave me a hard time over it im not from dublin and was told that was a good place to go, Never again would i go near the city center in dublin :eek:

Sorry I lost all interest in your post and what you're saying after reading this. Also it would have been the GSOC, not guards you would have reported it to.

Scumbag sues Garda

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