Rooney not signing a new contract?

killwill · 19-10-2010 06:04PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Obviously you had a better year but in terms of progression we had a better season.

Sorry, all I got is girly money. Very tempted though.

Xavi, I am a United fan, and even I see that you would be mad to turn down that bet. I reckon ye will beat most if not all the big teams at home this year and I see City finishing second. IMO I reckon ye will win the league by 2014, although I do think a new manager is needed to do that.

applehunter · 19-10-2010 06:08PM

He can go the the bookies and get 6/4 so not a good bet.

ntlbell · 19-10-2010 06:24PM

applehunter wrote: »

He can go the the bookies and get 6/4 so not a good bet.

but the bookie wont break down crying and go into a deep depression and not post on boards for month's

you can't put a price on breaking a utd fan's heart.

MisterAnarchy · 19-10-2010 06:25PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

People seem to automatically assume this is about money. Maybe he wants to move for footballing reasons? If he wants to play alongside the likes of Xavi, Messi, Villa and Iniesta who he has labelled the best player in the world, can anybody really blame him? He's given enough to United.

To be honest Rooney isnt fit to lace the boots of any of those players even when he was at his peak 8 months ago.
That quartet can do things Rooney can only dream of .
He is an overated player ,simply because he is English and almost all English players are overated.
His first touch isnt good enough and he isnt prolific a striker to get into either the Barca or Real team.

I suspect that Rooney wanting out of United ,is in effect him wanting out of England and a bid to escape the gutter tabloids.It seems like an act of desperation from a confused man.

Real or Barca may buy him if they can get him cheaply ,give him a season and them sell him on at a profit and bank the money from shirt sales and merchandise.
I dont think he is suited to either club long term.

Its a sad day for Utd ,the decline on the pitch over the last 2-3 years and the change in Uniteds style is reaching a breaking point.
They are no longer the flamboyant ,attacking side they used to be ,whose ethos was to score more than the opponent.
They have become more and more negative over the last few years and relied on individuals ,primarily Ronaldo ,to create a moment of brilliance to eek out a win.
The days of turning weak teams over 6 and 7 nil are gone ,its been a struggle for them to even score against some teams,teams in previous years Utd would have destroyed.

Looking at the current setup I dont see any quality in the midfield ,there is no player there with the killer touch ,vision or intelligence.
The spine of the team is looking weak and if Rooney goes it will be another weakening of that spine.
Ferguson has bought poorly ,especially in central midfield where the last decent acquisition was Roy Keane,since then he has bought sub standard players, Djemba Djemba,Kleberson,Veron,Andersen,Gibson,Miller,Carrick and Hargreaves (a crock) .

It pains me to say it but Utd dont play attractive football anymore and havent done so for the last few seasons ,bar in spurts.
The high tempo attacking game has become replaced with a pedestrian ,grind.

Perhaps Rooney has realised that Utd are in terminal decline and is getting out early ,but I dont think he is that intelligent .

RasTa · 19-10-2010 06:27PM

Wes or Owen?

Today's training.

ntlbell · 19-10-2010 06:30PM

wasn't bloody carrick anyway lazy feck.

Sir Gallagher · 19-10-2010 06:43PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

He is an overated player ,simply because he is English

Biggest load of sh1te i've read all day, the chap is a quality player it's funny how bad form seems to change people's memories. It's the same with Torres at the world cup and at the moment, people giving it the large about how he's overrated. Form is temporary yada yada yada...

m@cc@ · 19-10-2010 06:44PM

super_furry wrote: »

Beckham is different. He and his wife both actively court and encourage the tabloid media.

Yeah, and that's not the case with the Rooneys.

19-10-2010 07:01PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

To be honest Rooney isnt fit to lace the boots of any of those players even when he was at his peak 8 months ago.
That quartet can do things Rooney can only dream of .
He is an overated player ,simply because he is English and almost all English players are overated.
His first touch isnt good enough and he isnt prolific a striker to get into either the Barca or Real team.

I suspect that Rooney wanting out of United ,is in effect him wanting out of England and a bid to escape the gutter tabloids.It seems like an act of desperation from a confused man.

Real or Barca may buy him if they can get him cheaply ,give him a season and them sell him on at a profit and bank the money from shirt sales and merchandise.
I dont think he is suited to either club long term.

Its a sad day for Utd ,the decline on the pitch over the last 2-3 years and the change in Uniteds style is reaching a breaking point.
They are no longer the flamboyant ,attacking side they used to be ,whose ethos was to score more than the opponent.
They have become more and more negative over the last few years and relied on individuals ,primarily Ronaldo ,to create a moment of brilliance to eek out a win.
The days of turning weak teams over 6 and 7 nil are gone ,its been a struggle for them to even score against some teams,teams in previous years Utd would have destroyed.

Looking at the current setup I dont see any quality in the midfield ,there is no player there with the killer touch ,vision or intelligence.
The spine of the team is looking weak and if Rooney goes it will be another weakening of that spine.
Ferguson has bought poorly ,especially in central midfield where the last decent acquisition was Roy Keane,since then he has bought sub standard players, Djemba Djemba,Kleberson,Veron,Andersen,Gibson,Miller,Carrick and Hargreaves (a crock) .

It pains me to say it but Utd dont play attractive football anymore and havent done so for the last few seasons ,bar in spurts.
The high tempo attacking game has become replaced with a pedestrian ,grind.

Perhaps Rooney has realised that Utd are in terminal decline and is getting out early ,but I dont think he is that intelligent .

this is the biggest load of rubbish I've read today, and I've read a lot. Rooney was the 3rd best player in Europe last season, to say he's not prolific enough is a joke. You clearly don't watch much of United if you manage to come out with silly comments like the bit in bold. Paul Scholes ring any bells? United have had no problems scoring this season either so I don't see where you're getting that from.

#15 · 19-10-2010 07:13PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Biggest load of sh1te i've read all day, the chap is a quality player it's funny how bad form seems to change people's memories. It's the same with Torres at the world cup and at the moment, people giving it the large about how he's overrated. Form is temporary yada yada yada...

Good post.

Even worse when it's Utd or Liverpool fans trotting out that nonsense about Rooney or Torres (respectively), given that they watch them on a regular basis. It's mind-boggling that any long time followers of football cannot see the talent those guys have.

There is a strong anti-PL bias from some people on these boards, and an unjustified exaltation of Barca/Real. There is an eagerness to constantly proclaim the PL's best as overhyped, overrated, etc.

It's probably a reaction to Sky's hype machine - but the anti-hype crowd have become so entrenched in their views that they fail to recognise genuine talent in the PL.

I can only laugh every time I hear the same nonsense being wheeled out - Rooney isn't good enough for Barca, Torres does nothing for 89 minutes and then pops up with a goal, Gerrard can't influence a game, headless chickens, PL is all hype, Rio is a poor defender, etfúckincetera.

Pro. F · 19-10-2010 07:16PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

To be honest Rooney isnt fit to lace the boots of any of those players even when he was at his peak 8 months ago.
That quartet can do things Rooney can only dream of .
...
His first touch isnt good enough and he isnt prolific a striker to get into either the Barca or Real team.

What a load of utter shíte. His first touch isn't good enough? If you really believe that then you actually haven't been watching him play. The only way you could come to this type of conclusion is by basing your opinion on the WC performances and making some crazy assumptions about how he's played during the rest of his career.

Let me make this clear: Rooney's technique is top quality.

Just because he has a phenomenal work rate people assume that he's not technically gifted. Anybody who makes this assumption is showing themselves to be a woeful judge of footballing ability.

On the point of him not being prolific enough: Up until last season this could have been argued. Although there was a very good case for the rest of his game making up for his slight lack of goals. Since last season when he learned how to head the ball, his goal return has become as good as anyone could want.

Current form aside, Rooney is a near perfect centre forward. About the only thing that his game lacks is outright pace, and even that's not much of a problem for him.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I suspect that Rooney wanting out of United ,is in effect him wanting out of England and a bid to escape the gutter tabloids.It seems like an act of desperation from a confused man.

Real or Barca may buy him if they can get him cheaply ,give him a season and them sell him on at a profit and bank the money from shirt sales and merchandise.
I dont think he is suited to either club long term.

Its a sad day for Utd ,the decline on the pitch over the last 2-3 years and the change in Uniteds style is reaching a breaking point.
They are no longer the flamboyant ,attacking side they used to be ,whose ethos was to score more than the opponent.
They have become more and more negative over the last few years and relied on individuals ,primarily Ronaldo ,to create a moment of brilliance to eek out a win.
The days of turning weak teams over 6 and 7 nil are gone ,its been a struggle for them to even score against some teams,teams in previous years Utd would have destroyed.

Looking at the current setup I dont see any quality in the midfield ,there is no player there with the killer touch ,vision or intelligence.
The spine of the team is looking weak and if Rooney goes it will be another weakening of that spine.
Ferguson has bought poorly ,especially in central midfield where the last decent acquisition was Roy Keane,since then he has bought sub standard players, Djemba Djemba,Kleberson,Veron,Andersen,Gibson,Miller,Carrick and Hargreaves (a crock) .

It pains me to say it but Utd dont play attractive football anymore and havent done so for the last few seasons ,bar in spurts.
The high tempo attacking game has become replaced with a pedestrian ,grind.

Perhaps Rooney has realised that Utd are in terminal decline and is getting out early ,but I dont think he is that intelligent .

United's style only changed in Europe and in some bigger PL games. The rest of the time the approach of not settling for draws has stayed the exact same. Also, since Ronaldo left, the negativity has actually gone and we're back to playing a much more balanced style in the CL and big PL games.

The only problem, in footballing terms, has been a lack of quality central midfielders which has been hurting us. And you are right about Fergie failing to buy the necessary improvements there. But up until the Rooney cluster fúck of recent months, every other aspect of the squad has been very good. The best defence in the world, considering strength and depth; decent wingers and a top class attack.

There might well be a world of shít in line for United if the Glazers plan on keeping the purse strings tight, but people assuming that the squad is already useless are jumping the gun.

19-10-2010 07:24PM

Just read through the last 20 pages. Some great posts btw.

But let's just say it was quite easy to pick out the proper Utd fans from the plastics

Pro. F · 19-10-2010 07:27PM

#15 wrote: »

Good post.

Even worse when it's Utd or Liverpool fans trotting out that nonsense about Rooney or Torres (respectively), given that they watch them on a regular basis. It's mind-boggling that any long time followers of football cannot see the talent those guys have.

There is a strong anti-PL bias from some people on these boards, and an unjustified exaltation of Barca/Real. There is an eagerness to constantly proclaim the PL's best as overhyped, overrated, etc.

It's probably a reaction to Sky's hype machine - but the anti-hype crowd have become so entrenched in their views that they fail to recognise genuine talent in the PL.

I can only laugh every time I hear the same nonsense being wheeled out - Rooney isn't good enough for Barca, Torres does nothing for 89 minutes and then pops up with a goal, Gerrard can't influence a game, headless chickens, PL is all hype, Rio is a poor defender, etfúckincetera.

I remember before Beckham went to Spain people in this part of the world used to say he was overrated and that his crossing ability was what was expected as the norm in la liga. Then he goes to Madrid and becomes a hero there and everybody in Spain is full of praise for his ability.

It's easy to say so-and-so isn't as good as what they have in such-and-such league. So people who haven't got the honesty or ability to properly judge players will always be at it.

Rob113 · 19-10-2010 07:28PM

CountingCrows wrote: »

Maybe that won't be an issue by the time his contract is up

This is bad form.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 19-10-2010 07:43PM

I can see Rooney getting quite a few red cards and suspensions if he does move to Spain or Italy. English referees are lenient on him because they know what he's like. But mainland European refs take no shít, especially if Rooney goes flying in like he's prone to doing. But, he wouldn't need the extra intensity in his game because of the reliance on technique rather than speed and determination - but that could set him above the rest, putting pressure on players who aren't used to that kind of thing etc.
I think he'd terrorise lower-mid table Spanish defences, tbh, he'd be too direct for them, imo.

I really hope he goes abroad, because it'd be seriously painful to see him win the PL with Chelsea, City or Arsenal.

Mister men · 19-10-2010 07:53PM

Amazing how rooneys said he no longer wants to play at old trafford he's suddenly not that great a player

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 19-10-2010 07:57PM

Mister men wrote: »

Amazing how rooneys said he no longer wants to play at old trafford he's suddenly not that great a player

That in reference to my post?

#15 · 19-10-2010 07:59PM

Mister men wrote: »

Amazing how rooneys said he no longer wants to play at old trafford he's suddenly not that great a player

Yeah, but it's mostly non-Utd fans saying that isn't it? What's your point?

MisterAnarchy · 19-10-2010 08:05PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Biggest load of sh1te i've read all day, the chap is a quality player it's funny how bad form seems to change people's memories. It's the same with Torres at the world cup and at the moment, people giving it the large about how he's overrated. Form is temporary yada yada yada...

Its also funny how a brief spell of good form can change peoples opinions too.
So you are not agreeing with me that Rooney is overated ?
The talk of him being the next Pele,being the best player in the world ,a prolific striker,the comparisons with Messi etc etc.

What a load of utter shíte. His first touch isn't good enough? If you really believe that then you actually haven't been watching him play. The only way you could come to this type of conclusion is by basing your opinion on the WC performances and making some crazy assumptions about how he's played during the rest of his career.

I have been watching him play week in week out for the last 6 years and I have always thought his first touch was his weakest attribute.
His touch is poor for a player supposedly in the top 3 in Europe.
He has 2 good feet,is strong on the ball ,reads the ball very well and is a good passer.
He doenst have much pace though and is a poor dribbler.

Current form aside, Rooney is a near perfect centre forward. About the only thing that his game lacks is outright pace, and even that's not much of a problem for him.

He is far from a perfect centre forward and his international and club scoring record would prove that.
If he is marked tightly by a fast centre back ,he will most likely get frustrated and lash out .
Rooney isnt a player who can create space for himself in a match ,he doesnt have the pace or trickery to do that.

You clearly don't watch much of United if you manage to come out with silly comments like the bit in bold. Paul Scholes ring any bells?

Paul Scholes is 35 years of age ,has only a few more miles left on the clock and is only half the player he used to be.
He was a great player and servant to the club but his days are numbered.
Who will fill his boots ?

United's style only changed in Europe and in some bigger PL games. The rest of the time the approach of not settling for draws has stayed the exact same. Also, since Ronaldo left, the negativity has actually gone and we're back to playing a much more balanced style in the CL and big PL games.

I cant agree with that ,Utd have become very negative in away CL matches,Valencia this season ,Bayern last season (bar the opening 15 mins) ,they resemble Liverpool under Benitez in away matches.

I remember before Beckham went to Spain people in this part of the world used to say he was overrated and that his crossing ability was what was expected as the norm in la liga. Then he goes to Madrid and becomes a hero there and everybody in Spain is full of praise for his ability.
It's easy to say so-and-so isn't as good as what they have in such-and-such league. So people who haven't got the honesty or ability to properly judge players will always be at it.

On the flip side there are alot of Utd fanboys on here and EPL lovers on here who cant see a footballing world past Dover .
They base their opinions of foreign teams and players most likely on a few Champions league viewings per season.
There is a football world outside the circus that the Sun,Sky Sports News and the British and Irish media peddle every day.

Rooney is overated but perhaps then again so are 90% of footballers .
Anyway enough talk ,I must watch some ball.

killwill · 19-10-2010 08:06PM

Rob113 wrote: »

This is bad form.

The poster already said he was on about the Rooney's getting a divorce.
Why bring it up again?

Julez · 19-10-2010 08:10PM

What I don't get us if Rooney said he wanted out it August why we didn't sell him then, while the window was still open? His value is going to fall greatly by Christmas!

#15 · 19-10-2010 08:11PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

On the flip side there are alot of Utd fanboys on here and EPL lovers on here who cant see a footballing world past Dover .
They base their opinions of foreign teams and players most likely on a few Champions league viewings per season.
There is a football world outside the circus that the Sun,Sky Sports News and the British and Irish media peddle every day.

That's certainly true, but it doesn't make the anti-PL rubbish any more credible either.

flahavaj · 19-10-2010 08:15PM

Mister men wrote: »

Amazing how rooneys said he no longer wants to play at old trafford he's suddenly not that great a player

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Amazing how many people have said this despite the distinct lack of United fans saying he's not that good in the thread. I guess some things are worth the few brownie points and thanks even if they're not even true.

On Rooney, this kinda stuff is just another nail in the coffin of soccer for me. If he wants out, leave him off, better men than him have left and the club survived.

I think it was MNG who said it best - you'd be hard pushed to find a hero you'd be glad to see your kids idolise these days.

Thank God for GAA.

NabyLadistheman · 19-10-2010 08:16PM

Cant understand for the life of me what Rooney's story is. Some cheek if you ask me. After all he's been up two lately. Thought Fergie played a very clever game with his emotional press conference today. Be interesting to see how Rooney responds & what happens now. Could see him at Chelsea. Be interesting to hear the whole story though

Mr Alan · 19-10-2010 08:18PM

flahavaj wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Amazing how many people have said this despite the distinct lack of United fans saying he's not that good in the thread. I guess some things are worth the few brownie points and thanks even if they're not even true.

On Rooney, this kinda stuff is just another nail in the coffin of soccer for me. If he wants out, leave him off, better men than him have left and the club survived.

I think it was MNG who said it best - you'd be hard pushed to find a hero you'd be glad to see your kids idolise these days.

Thank God for GAA.

And Pepe Reina.

flahavaj · 19-10-2010 08:18PM

Oh and on a side note, WP Fergie today. Played a blinder IMO.

flahavaj · 19-10-2010 08:19PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

And Pepe Reina.

Wouldn't hurl county tbf. He's no Xabi Alonso.

BERBA · 19-10-2010 08:19PM

utd with no money to buy players and possibly now no rooney , the decline is setting in , rooney can see it and thats why he wants out. Utd always have Gibson and O'Shea

killwill · 19-10-2010 08:21PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Oh and on a side note, WP Fergie today. Played a blinder IMO.

It is amazing that Rooney has not even given Fergie a reason. I think Fergie was great today. He all but challenged Rooney to call a press conference. Doubt Rooney will bite though.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 19-10-2010 08:23PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

And Pepe Reina.

Heard a nice story about him there the other week.
A friend of me Ma was over at the Liverpool v Arsenal game there this season and they went to Carragher's restaurant and Reina was in a private room with friends having dinner or something and he noticed walked by their table to get someone or something and he stopped, without them even asking, to have a chat about the game and he gave autographs and took pictures etc.
Very nice gesture I thought.

Rooney not signing a new contract?

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