all grants and funds for students are finished this year (maybe)

flas · 19-10-2010 02:11PM #1

just got a text from my girlfriend, she was in class and some faculity member from her college came into the lecture and told them all that the grants, which they are about to recieve the first payment of, has been cut so they will not be getting what they were originally told.

he then proceeded to explain that this is the last year of grants and funds for students as they are being totally done away with.

what is anyone who wants a 3rd level education but is not rolling in money ment to do now?

Sean^DCT4 · 19-10-2010 02:14PM

get a job.. ?

southsiderosie · 19-10-2010 02:14PM

Take out a loan?

godtabh · 19-10-2010 02:15PM

a friend of my mates brothers sisters aunties uncle said that the government is gona pay €1000 for every one who leaves the country and doesn't come back

gonedrinking · 19-10-2010 02:17PM

flas wrote: »

just got a text from my girlfriend, she was in class and some faculity member from her college came into the lecture and told them all that the grants, which they are about to recieve the first payment of, has been cut so they will not be getting what they were originally told.

he then proceeded to explain that this is the last year of grants and funds for students as they are being totally done away with.

the government must of been looking at my thread, the system works :cool:

sensibleken · 19-10-2010 02:18PM

That doesn't sound right. Would there not have been something in the news first. I really hope its not true.

For the record I worked a part time job through college and lived at home. Not a possibility for todays students. Im supporting my girfriend in her Phd with no funding and its not easy, but manageable.

If its true we can expect a longer recovery with a less well educated poppulace being a poor incentive for investment

Duggy747 · 19-10-2010 02:23PM

Get a job, I couldn't get grants of any kind and paid my own way through college in Sligo for 3 years.............I worked brutal hours at Lidl in my town in Roscommon but, dammit, it paid for everything.

Just stop going out binging on Thursday nights and doing whatever hoodlum things you pesky students do nowadays :pac:

Daisy Steiner · 19-10-2010 02:23PM

What college is she in? I got my grant approval letter yesterday . . . no mention of it being the last one.

KeithM89_old · 19-10-2010 02:24PM

My next door neighbours dog told me the government were doubling grants - i just dont know who to believe??

flas · 19-10-2010 02:24PM

Sean^DCT4 wrote: »

get a job.. ?

ok for the majority of the country who dont live close to their college, what are they ment to do!? yeah most do have part time jobs now from when they started college four or five years ago, but with rent, food and travel their part time jobs do not cover these costs. they can get a full time job, but then cant get qualified, so your basically left with a population where some of the best and brightest could not get qualifications to work in a certain field or profession and i dont think you need me to point out thats bad for the country as a whole.

i know, i thought it would be in the news aswell but just got the text a few minutes ago, she was saying he was going from lecture to lecture telling all the students.

Daisy Steiner · 19-10-2010 02:25PM

Nothing over on the student finances forum . . .

flas · 19-10-2010 02:25PM

Daisy Steiner wrote: »

What college is she in? I got my grant approval letter yesterday . . . no mention of it being the last one.

DIT aungier street. she also recieved her letter yesterday, thats why it was a shock to her today.

prinz · 19-10-2010 02:27PM

flas wrote: »

ok for the majority of the country who dont live close to their college, what are they ment to do!? .

Get a job, work for a few years, save up and return to college when you can afford it, armed with maturity and life experience.

ChopShop · 19-10-2010 02:27PM

All part of the 'plan' to lower the average industrial wage by making further education available to less people.

RedXIV · 19-10-2010 02:27PM

I worked through college too but the registration fees were half what they are now. wouldn't fancy that again. Thank god it's my brothers last year but my sis just started a 4 year degree. I reckon we'll all be paying for that!

lisaface · 19-10-2010 02:30PM

Sean^DCT4 wrote: »

get a job.. ?

Yes, because they're just being handed out like free beer at freshers week, & the graduates w/out jobs at present are marching in November for NO reason what so ever!!!

southsiderosie wrote: »

Take out a loan?

..and how is one expected to pay it back, if they can't afford tuition how are they going to be able to shell out weekly/monthly amounts to begin with. Most loans expect you to have a certain amount of income going into your account WEEKLY before they'll consider giving you one, and that's even on the student bloody policy!

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Bolloxolgy to taking cuts from grants, why is they have no issue taking cuts from Education but when it comes to minor areas say... I don't know city infrastructure (mending that god awful spire in town), they proceed forward with that!?! gahhh - I'll wait for an actual publication to be released then i'll be back to vent properly!!

biko · 19-10-2010 02:31PM

flas wrote: »

just got a text from my girlfriend, she was in class and some faculity member from her college came into the lecture and told them all that the grants, which they are about to recieve the first payment of, has been cut so they will not be getting what they were originally told.

Welcome to: how to start an internet rumour.

This may or may not be true but some sort of linkage to real news would be good. If no evidence comes forward in a few hours I'll close this until we do get confirmation. Don't want people to get up in arms about nothing.

Cookie_Monster · 19-10-2010 02:34PM

sensibleken wrote: »

For the record I worked a part time job through college and lived at home. Not a possibility for todays students.

why not? I did it, my brother is doing it now...
how the **** else you supposed to support yourself through college apart from sponge off you parents like a miserable git.

EDIT: anyway you are already getting free college course, why do you need another grant on top of that, lazy feckers.
EDIT2: neither of those are directed at you sensibleken btw

gbee · 19-10-2010 02:45PM

I think it is no harm. Whilst there are many students who apply themselves in 3rd level, over all the level of education for graduates is poor.

It seems to me that not enough shake off the secondary education system syndrome. Particularly as proceeding into college was considered automatic in recent times.

In other words, college lost its gloss.

Anyway we need a variety of workers for our new Ireland, we need an unskilled workforce, and we need better degrees at the other end.

So, whilst we may lose a few potential Einsteins because they cannot pay their way, our near future, as a nation cannot support a population of college graduates. Already we were not producing enough labourers and those roles were filled by immigration.

Along with this I'd propose lowering of the working age back to 14 and school finishing back to 16 for those who want to get started at wage earning early.

One will note that the vast majority of entrepreneurs either never went to college, or dropped out to pursue their ambitions.

Daisy Steiner · 19-10-2010 02:45PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why not? I did it, my brother is doing it now...
how the **** else you supposed to support yourself through college apart from sponge off you parents like a miserable git.

EDIT: anyway you are already getting free college course, why do you need another grant on top of that, lazy feckers.
EDIT2: neither of those are directed at you sensibleken btw

Are you for realzies?

phasers · 19-10-2010 02:46PM

This isn't true. It just isn't.

gbee · 19-10-2010 02:53PM

phasers wrote: »

This isn't true. It just isn't.

Wasn't it only during the week that a minister said it would not happen?

Read, it's definitely happening, but we're still thinking up a way to sneak it in.

Scuid Mhór · 19-10-2010 02:57PM

sensibleken wrote: »

I really hope its not true.

amen brother.

Scuid Mhór · 19-10-2010 02:58PM

biko wrote: »

Welcome to: how to start an internet rumour.

This may or may not be true but some sort of linkage to real news would be good. If no evidence comes forward in a few hours I'll close this until we do get confirmation. Don't want people to get up in arms about nothing.

those are some fierce thread locking skills you're displaying, biko.

sensibleken · 19-10-2010 03:00PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why not? I did it, my brother is doing it now...
how the **** else you supposed to support yourself through college apart from sponge off you parents like a miserable git.

EDIT: anyway you are already getting free college course, why do you need another grant on top of that, lazy feckers.
EDIT2: neither of those are directed at you sensibleken btw

*note to self, read edit two before I start typing*

Cookie_Monster · 19-10-2010 03:17PM

Daisy Steiner wrote: »

Are you for realzies?

fo super realzies dawg :cool:
:rolleyes:

The_Conductor · 19-10-2010 03:25PM

I don't really understand what the issue is here?
We are going to have to seriously look at our 3rd level sector, with the probability of a full return to fees within the next 2 years. This is aside from the government's appalling financial situation- its a simple fact, fees are being reintroduced in the UK- and the Student's Unions and Careers Guidance counsellors over there are actively advising their students to apply over here instead, if they are not in a position to pay fees.

It looks likely that a loan system reflecting the actual cost of tuition, will be implemented. The current research prices Arts and Social Science type degrees at EUR6k per annum, with laboratory/engineering type degrees at 12-14k per annum (tuition alone).

Whether we like it or not- 3rd level students are going to have to make a considerable contribution towards their education in future- the manner in which this will be made is pretty much the only thing up for discussion.

The whole idea of free fees was to encourage those from socially deprived backgrounds attend 3rd level education- the fact of the matter is that the demographic profile of those attending- has not changed one iota.......

lisaface · 19-10-2010 03:31PM

sensibleken
For the record I worked a part time job through college and lived at home. Not a possibility for todays students.

You lived at home precisely the point, what about the people who don't live at home.

This is what always pissed me off about my fellow course people, the people that lived at home, forget about the world outside mammy & daddy sorting everything for them , be it the weekly shop, or keeping the electricity on, or even those water charges, oh and of course bin charges not to mention RENT, and whatever else had to be paid for.

The worst thing these people said 'oh but I work' and do you give any of that money to your parents? 'no *shocked face*' - feckin' muppets , and they wonder why non living at home people get pissed at them when they throw out the 'but i work AND attend every lecture' stfu!!

oh and sensibleken this doesn't directly apply to you, I was just using your statement as an example :P

sensibleken · 19-10-2010 03:33PM

smccarrick wrote: »

The whole idea of free fees was to encourage those from socially deprived backgrounds attend 3rd level education- the fact of the matter is that the demographic profile of those attending- has not changed one iota.......

I dont know a single person who would have been able to go to college if it wasnt for free fees, myself included. When I was in college 90% of the people I met in my first year 1998 did not come from a background where their families could have afforded college for more than 1 child, and 1 at a push.

I wonder if the CSO have produced anything on this. I would imagine that college educated people go on to earn higher wages and thus pay higher tax. It could be a return to fees will leave huge swathes of people out of the tax bracket in the long run.

starbelgrade · 19-10-2010 03:35PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Get a job, I couldn't get grants of any kind and paid my own way through college in Sligo for 3 years.............I worked brutal hours at Lidl in my town in Roscommon but, dammit, it paid for everything.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I seriously doubt that. You may not have got a grant for registration fees, but you most likely didn't have to pay tuition fees, which over 3 years would have been around €50k.

Cookie_Monster · 19-10-2010 03:40PM

sensibleken wrote: »

I dont know a single person who would have been able to go to college if it wasnt for free fees, myself included. When I was in college 90% of the people I met in my first year 1998 did not come from a background where their families could have afforded college for more than 1 child, and 1 at a push.

ah come off it, where'd you go to college?

For the record I paid my own fees for 1.5 years due to changing courses, not a whole lot more than the reg fee is now.

all grants and funds for students are finished this year (maybe)

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