Do you think Alchohol Advertisements should be allowed?

Osgoodisgood · 18-10-2010 10:23AM

NothingMan wrote: »

*Family fortunes buzzer EH UH!!!* Terrible economics. I don't know much but I know people not spending there money on goods and services will just put more people out of work, generating less tax, more spending on social welfare and drive us deeper into the sh1t.

Correct on all counts.
Money needs to be circulating if the economy is to right itself.

Booze is good. Booze works.

veXual · 18-10-2010 10:51AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Is that a good thing?

Well I'd assume consumer spending is a good thing. People not spending has the whole downward cyclic circlejerk effect jobby on the economy.

That's where part of this massive tax deficit has emerged from this year - lack of consumer spending.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-10-2010 10:56AM

veXual wrote: »

Well I'd assume consumer spending is a good thing. People not spending has the whole downward cyclic circlejerk effect jobby on the economy.

That's where part of this massive tax deficit has emerged from this year - lack of consumer spending.

I understand, but at the end of the day drinking to save the economy, i dunno...it's a funny one

Ledger · 18-10-2010 10:57AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I understand, but at the end of the day drinking to save the economy, i dunno...it's a funny one

I'd take up that challenge.

18-10-2010 11:02AM

I remember reading an article saying that drinking in Ireland actually costs the economy billions through lost productivity.

here is one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2785659.stm
It's from 2003 and no doubt it is higher now.

Take the productivity then add it to the medical costs of alcohol related injuries - One third of people in the waiting room on a weekend night will have injured themselves while intoxicated.

I am sure these figures when taken together would dwarf the actual tax intake from alcohol. And I'm not even including the social problems which it creates which are impossible to put a monetary value on.

So take your "It's creating jobs and is good for the economy" nonsense and be gone.

veXual · 18-10-2010 11:22AM

It is kind of crazy alright bit of a double edged sword but hey it's Ireland so what can we expect.

Drinking our way out of a recession :pac:

fakearms123 · 18-10-2010 11:28AM

I like beer.

mikemac · 18-10-2010 11:37AM

I don't think it should be in sports advertising

The local under-12 football team sponsored by a local pub
Guinness sponsoring All Ireland Hurling Championship.

Back when Irelands biggest golf event was Murphy's Irish open and they'd put mininiture pints on each tee box.
That was eight years ago and people still call it Murphy's Irish open

Minstrel27 · 18-10-2010 11:48AM

CorkMan wrote: »

I think they should be banned. Smoke ads were banned in the 80's and I think this should follow suit.

There are problems in this country with drink driving, domestic violence caused by alcohol intoxication. There are alcoholics spending the night at home trying to stay off the drink and they get an ad showing the drink top to bottom in slow motion and some fancy music and scenes. That would drive them back to it, defeating the purpose of staying in.

I think it is a disgrace TBH, that is my opinion.

I agree. Ban television.

smash · 18-10-2010 11:54AM

I think Vagasil ads should be banned!

FreudianSlippers · 18-10-2010 12:21PM

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Nice cop out. Saving money or paying off debt > spending your paycheck down the pub. How's that for economics?

Read the below please for your answer:

NothingMan wrote: »

*Family fortunes buzzer EH UH!!!* Terrible economics. I don't know much but I know people not spending there money on goods and services will just put more people out of work, generating less tax, more spending on social welfare and drive us deeper into the sh1t.

the purple tin · 18-10-2010 12:36PM

Alcohol ads should be banned for the simple reason that they have gotten so stupid. Those twee bulmers ads for a start.:mad:
The ones with SAtC lookalikes walking around some trendy nightspot in slow motion- pah.
Ban them all I say.

wolfpawnat · 18-10-2010 12:47PM

CorkMan wrote: »

As for the "idiot" who beats his wife, he is an idiot with drink in him.

You are aware only a fraction of Domestic Abuse cases are solely alcohol based. There is something in the man or woman that causes them to abuse another person, drinking lowers inhibitions, but it does not erase them. If you are violent with drink, you are violent without. If you are a tramp with it in, you are as likely to hop into bed with a total stranger without. Being "hammered" is not the reason why you do things!

I am not a drinker, I hate it, I think it is boring and a waste of money. But do I think we should remove alcohol ads - No.

We know only over 18s are supposed to buy it.

We know you should not drink and drive.

We know it is wrong to hit people.

We know it makes us more likely to regret our actions.

If we choose to do any of the above they you are an imbecile and should be locked up for sheer idiocy.

People still smoke, cigarette ads are not on tv, but yet we are a nation that are like chimneys. What makes you think for one minute that not putting it on tv will make it stop?

Too much tax is made off alcohol and with a Taoiseacht that enjoys his few (too many), no way will alcohol laws be altered too much.

Besides, I have enjoyed the ads for alcohol for years, they are fun and upbeat! And those Clysdales and Guinness ads eack xmas make it for me! I don't like beer, but I love those ads!

Ash.J.Williams · 18-10-2010 12:54PM

I do find the off licence laws to be very stupid though..

Ledger · 18-10-2010 12:55PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I do find the off licence laws to be very stupid though..

i'm with you on that one

kiad · 18-10-2010 12:56PM

Anyone who thinks these ad's should be banned is an absolute idiot with nothing better to do than complain. Stop your f*cking whining. Alcohol companies need to advertise too, just like anyone else.

Pace2008 · 18-10-2010 12:58PM

Pushers out, I say.

senordingdong · 18-10-2010 12:59PM

Right, thread has un its course.

Tits or gtfo.

Pookah · 18-10-2010 01:00PM

On the one hand you've got alcohol ads, and on the other you've got those ads bemoaning the activities drunkards get up to; vandalism, violence etc.

I dunno. I'm torn between the two.

Micky Dolenz · 18-10-2010 01:00PM

All this talk of drink is making me thirsty, Pints?

wolfpawnat · 18-10-2010 01:08PM

Off-Licence laws are ridiculous.

I can get served in a pub til 12.30 on a Sat, and later if you know the right place to go

but I cannot a six pack after 10 so my housemate and I can watch a movie at home, safely, where we will not be driving or doing anything ridiculous. WTF is that about!?!

Oh and OP, your talk about advertising drink, is causing people to actually discuss it, ergo, advertising it!

Micky Dolenz - name the pub, I hate drink, but this is a matter of principle!

Pace2008 · 18-10-2010 01:12PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

You are aware only a fraction of Domestic Abuse cases are solely alcohol based. There is something in the man or woman that causes them to abuse another person, drinking lowers inhibitions, but it does not erase them. If you are violent with drink, you are violent without. If you are a tramp with it in, you are as likely to hop into bed with a total stranger without. Being "hammered" is not the reason why you do things!

I disagree with you completely here. For some people, the stupefying effects of huge amounts of alcohol do not simply bring out dark, suppressed elements of their personality. They completely obliterate the person that's normally there and, for a few hours, replace it with some shambling shell of base instinct lacking completely in normal human faculty.

I know many people who are not violent in a sober state, nor do they even have any semblance of violent tendency, but when they get to they "blackout" stage they have absolutely no control of their actions. I number amongst these people.

Note that when I say they have no control of their actions it doesn't mean they aren't responsible for them.If someone knows they're liable to turn into a lunatic when they're legless, they shouldn't be drinking to such an extent. If someone knows they have no control over how much they drink once they touch so much a drop, they shouldn't be drinking at all.

I hate the attitude that exists here that allows people to consistently get ****ed up and act like a dickhead, only to be excused time and time again because they were drunk, and "Sure aren't they harmless when they're sober?" That's bull****, I think people are defined by their actions rather than some vague sentiments of niceness during their sober hours.

CorkMan · 18-10-2010 03:20PM

kiad wrote: »

Anyone who thinks these ad's should be banned is an absolute idiot with nothing better to do than complain. Stop your f*cking whining. Alcohol companies need to advertise too, just like anyone else.

Just like Cigarette companies?

When people walk into a shop they see the big cigarette machine behind the till, that is enough. The amount of pubs round the place in Ireland, we don't need these TV ads. Supermarkets and offies sell drink. You can go to a pub too.

I find Drink ads to be amongst the most advertised on TV, watch champions league on Sky Tuesday/Wednesday night and you will see a drink ad 2 times almost every break. That is 10+ ads from 7.30 to 10.30PM. They just put a small "drink aware" slogan in the bottom corner of the ads, and its suddenly alright in there eyes. They were pushed to put in that slogan aswell.

And I suppose electrical goods cause people to crash cars, beat up their wifes and get addicted :rolleyes:

starlit · 18-10-2010 03:23PM

I think there should be a watershed for when the alcohol is advertised though say after 9pm most kids be gone to bed and well not all teenagers would be watching the telly after that! While it really only be the adults and parents watching tv after 9pm.

PeterIanStaker · 18-10-2010 03:29PM

Fuck this nanny state sh!te. Keep the ads for booze.
I know this country has a problem with drink, but pulling ads off TV isn't going to help. People need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

wolfpawnat · 18-10-2010 03:35PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

Note that when I say they have no control of their actions it doesn't mean they aren't responsible for them.If someone knows they're liable to turn into a lunatic when they're legless, they shouldn't be drinking to such an extent. If someone knows they have no control over how much they drink once they touch so much a drop, they shouldn't be drinking at all.

I hate the attitude that exists here that allows people to consistently get ****ed up and act like a dickhead, only to be excused time and time again because they were drunk, and "Sure aren't they harmless when they're sober?" That's bull****, I think people are defined by their actions rather than some vague sentiments of niceness during their sober hours.

Yes, if a person finds out they are not good with drink in, then they should have the good sense to AVOID the shíte, but they don't, thats not Bacardi or Guinness's fault!

Pace2008 · 18-10-2010 03:35PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

I think there should be a watershed for when the alcohol is advertised though say after 9pm most kids be gone to bed and well not all teenagers would be watching the telly after that! While it really only be the adults and parents watching tv after 9pm.

Yeah, as a teen I'd have been out drinking at that stage.

Pace2008 · 18-10-2010 03:38PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Yes, if a person finds out they are not good with drink in, then they should have the good sense to AVOID the shíte, but they don't, thats not Bacardi or Guinness's fault!

I agree. I was responding to the assertion that all people who act violently when they’re drunk are inherently aggressive individuals.

Gunsfortoys · 18-10-2010 03:39PM

It has been proven time and time again that censorship just doesn't work.

A prime example is Cigarettes, they are still selling millions everyday with virtually no advertising.

Censorship isn't the answer, people already know the damage that it does, so it is up to them to stop.

Micky Dolenz · 18-10-2010 03:41PM

Well to be fair, banning stuff works.

Banning cigarette advertising and smoking in public places as good as eradicated the problem and banning head shops stopped people getting high.

Oh, hang on a second.....

Do you think Alchohol Advertisements should be allowed?

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