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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Get out of that garden! I was asked who did I think would make the best Taoiseach. I answered personally based my instinct.

    And you chose the Minister for Finance who has signed us up with a disastrous bailout and didn't do his homework before doing so.

    Not only that, but what did you expect ? That they'd change party ?
    And Liam, it is clear we disagree and your prejudices are confirmed because we are not going to agree. You said as much by not seeking to get involved in the formal debate.

    Actually, no, I didn't say that, but I'll refrain from reporting the misrepresentation.

    What I said was that I don't accept contradictions and double-standards, and your post dismissing opinions as "hyperbole" was laughable considering your own misuse of the word patriotism.
    I think BL has done a great job under the circumstances, decisions were made quickly in the best interests of the country and were some of the alternatives you suggested put into play at the time, then this country would have been worse than Russia in the 1990s.

    Green crystal ball ? :rolleyes: You cannot possibly state that as a fact, and if that is indicative of your decision-making and opinion-forming I can see how you don't understand when people look at the facts and object to them, forming an educated opinion which you then dismiss as a prejudice.
    But I think it is better to wean our country and politicians off the savings of German senior citizens gradually, without all of the withdrawal symptoms hitting us at once.

    If we weren't borrowing hundreds of millions (per week) and bankrupting ourselves, taking hard-earned cash from those who can't afford it to pay the likes of Drumm and Ahern and Fitzpatrick, as well as making ourselves look like a country that tolerates corruption, I might agree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    while your online there Paul, I don't think any of my questions where chosen to be put to you. If I can just add one regarding proposed water charges......

    Will the greens insist on the free allowance and charge for excess used above this or will you support a blanket tax on everyone before metering is rolled out if FF push it. As we both know the blanket tax will be purely fund-raising and will do nothing for water conservation as the wasters pay exactly the same as those who use water wisely. Also, if the blanket tax (or indeed metered tax of waste) goes ahead will any of the money be ring fenced for water services or will it just be swallowed up in servicing the debt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    As far as the "whip system" goes.... it makes a joke out of our democracy.

    Why dont we just tick a party rather then the name of a candidate?

    I have rarely voted before because there is no party that represents my view and even if you like the personal traits of a particular candidate, they are told how to vote by head-office so you might as well just read the party manifesto. And how many of those are carried through anyway?


    Between clientelism (which gives us the Jackie Healy Rae's of this world), the party whip system and the toothless senate, we have a broken republic.


    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    DeVore wrote: »
    Between clientelism (which gives us the Jackie Healy Rae's of this world), the party whip system and the toothless senate, we have a broken republic.

    That sums up my thoughts on the state of our political nation at the moment.

    For us to mature into a true democracy this has to change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    DeVore wrote: »
    As far as the "whip system" goes.... it makes a joke out of our democracy.

    Why dont we just tick a party rather then the name of a candidate?

    I have rarely voted before because there is no party that represents my view and even if you like the personal traits of a particular candidate, they are told how to vote by head-office so you might as well just read the party manifesto. And how many of those are carried through anyway?


    Between clientelism (which gives us the Jackie Healy Rae's of this world), the party whip system and the toothless senate, we have a broken republic.


    DeV.

    I have to agree - we as a country vote for representatives on a personal basis against their party affiliation (Fianna Fáil are awful crooks - I'll be voting Mary Hanafin #1), and what we get are representatives who vote according to their party affiliation against any personal views.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Perhaps it was about playing up achievements made in the field of animal welfare and playing to a sympathetic audience for once. The award would have been given because John Gormley did more than most in his position to protect animals.
    I have to take issue on that point. Supporting groups like ICABS, HSI, ALF and their ilk is supporting a minority of extremists who spend the bulk of their time issuing the basest of slanders against hunters, who - ironically enough - do more work than any other state body or NGO in the field of conservation and animal welfare. ICABS has not reintroduced species to Ireland which were driven to extinction in the past; hunters have. ICABS does not provide invaluable data to researchers on ecological trends; hunters do. ICABS does not manage deer herds through culling to prevent over-feeding, destruction of local ecological habitats for other animals and other negative side-effects, followed by massive die-backs of the entire herd from starvation; hunters do.

    Groups like HSI put animal and human lives at risk every time they decide to use uncivil and irresponsible methods to protest hunting by disrupting hunts through intimidation (and violence in some cases). Not to mention writing lovely letters to the press on how all hunters are sociopaths like Larry Murphy; despite the fact that it was a pair of hunters who caught Murphy in the first place, saving a young woman's life in the process (along with the lives of his potential future victims).

    As to ALF and their ilk, how any Green (or green) politician can support a group which releases thousands of mink into an ecology as a foreign species (an act which can literally wipe out entire local ecosystems), while still claiming to support animal welfare and environmental issues - well, it beggars the english language when trying to express the sheer lunacy of such a stance.
    The Green Party is not against shooting
    And again, I must take issue with you. I personally spent an hour in my home talking with my local Green representative (Deirdre de Burca) before the last election when she was looking for my vote; I explained what Olympic Target Shooting was, what it looked like, what we did, and how safe and harmless it was (so far, we have a perfect safety record after 168 years of active competition in Ireland). I pointed out how we were the largest Olympic event, how we were one of the most egalitarian of sports, how we in Ireland had a long history of great achievements in the sport (we have won the World Championships twice in the last decade in Olympic Shotgun in the team event and once in the individual event and at the moment, it's the Irish High Performance Coach who is the shotgun coach at the international academy; in the last few days we've seen a Northern Irish shooter medal in Dehli and another miss out by only a point or two; we've sent shooter to the games in Atlanta, Sydney and Athens and will send some to London as well).

    Yet less than two years later, she (and the rest of the Green Party) slandered every pistol target shooter in the country with comments along the lines of how we were an "emerging gun culture" (all 5-600 of us out of 4,500,000 people in the country) and banned half our sports, commenting on how we were basicly one step away from using our pistols to shoot schoolchildren in their classrooms. :mad:

    Doing that to people will leave them with very long-lasting memories, so when you do so (and you did vote for the Criminal Justice (Misc.Provisions) Bill 2009 which inflicted all this on us), we remember it rather vividly when you later claim to not be opposed to shooting.
    But thanks to the propaganda spun by the well funded RISE campaign along with cynical FF, FG and Labour rural TDs, the Greens have been painted as haters of rural Ireland and rural values.
    RISE was the end result of the implementation of Green policies Deputy; it was not a long-running propaganda campaign. It was around for barely a few weeks, and centered on a single Act, the banning of the Ward Union hunt.
    Perhaps if the Greens had noticed that the largest group of people in Ireland who actually do the physical work of conserving species and preserving local ecologies were expressing mounting dissatisfaction with Green policies for some time, RISE would never have gained traction.

    As to well-funded, there are 300,000 people or thereabouts involved in fieldsports (and concurrently with conservation work); there are about 6-8 core people in ICABS and maybe 30 who could be claimed as regular members. That groups like RISE are better funded and have larger demonstrations is not down to Machiavellian scheming. No doubt some take advantage of it; life was ever thus and I doubt even the Green party is free from this. But at its core, RISE are a very large group of people who should be the poster boys for the green movement but who now feel the Green party has abandoned and persecuted both them and the green movement itself.
    If any of your groups want to award John Gormley with a lifetime achievement award, no doubt he will gladly accept it.
    I believe they would... if he did something they felt merited it. But as I said, they feel abandoned, betrayed and persecuted by the Green Party and John stands at its head. The kind of lifetime award they would seek to award him at present would not be the kind he would wish to accept.


    ps. You didn't comment on the salmon...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭LostinKildare


    You have ignored my previous two posts on this point, perhaps the third time will be the charm?

    Please explain to us very simply how this makes sense:
    I was asked who did I think would make the best Taoiseach. I answered personally based my instinct. I did not answer on the basis of who we would like to share Government with.

    How could your choice -- Brian Lenihan or Micheal Martin -- become the next Taoiseach unless Fianna Fail is leading the next government?

    I am not questioning your sincerity --- so please, don't duck the question by resorting to unparliamentary language --- I am questioning your logic.

    The other point I questioned in an earlier post (ignored by you) had to do with your statement that NAMA needs to be secret in order to prevent political interference. Personally, I think that's ludicrous, and contrary to Green Party principles.

    Please could you tell us if that is solely your own opinion, or is that a view widely shared by your party colleagues?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 polkadots1900


    gandalf wrote: »
    Believe me I am as frustrated as you are but I don't honestly feel that I expected anything other than those type of responses when this process started.

    There were a few interesting tit bits but nothing of any real note, especially from the "rebel" of the Government ;)

    would the rebel of the government be mattie mcgrath?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    I have to agree - we as a country vote for representatives on a personal basis against their party affiliation (Fianna Fáil are awful crooks - I'll be voting Mary Hanafin #1), and what we get are representatives who vote according to their party affiliation against any personal views.

    Not to mention inexplicably and unacceptably voting confidence in certain individuals, possibly for the same reason.

    The funny thing is that people then wonder why "the party" is then objected to; possibly because "the party" instructed even those who would have raised objections to vote a particular way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    DeVore wrote: »

    Between clientelism (which gives us the Jackie Healy Rae's of this world), the party whip system and the toothless senate, we have a broken republic.


    DeV.

    Has any republic ever functioned perfectly? Are we judging what we have against an unattainable standard to make us perpetually disappointed?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Q: If you were leader of the Greens yourself, would you have agreed to go into coaliton with FF, or any of the other parties for that matter? Explain why it would be either a good/bad thing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Thanks for your comments. I cannot answer your question fully at this point as I know that my colleagues are putting pressure regarding what actions can be taken to make those that cost us all to pay.

    The difficulty in enacting legislation retrospectively has already come up in relation to former Ministers whose pensions cannot be cut entirely in this term, but will be able to have them cut next time around.

    I am sure where such pensions relating to other individuals can be cut, they will be cut. There are no cronies being protected, please believe me. It is partially to do with legal barriers and partially to do with political will by those in cabinet, my own Ministers obviously included collectively as part of that grouping. I suspect it is more of the former than the latterm, but if you like I can table PQs on your behalf to find out exactly what has been done to date.

    Please do.
    I have heard nothing in the media about any legislation passed to freeze entitlements to thsoe in responsible departments/institutions, and I am talking about in the past two years not retrospectively as I understand the negatives of going down that route.

    Why can't these be taxed punitively for each and everyone of those who ran this country like their own personal fifedom?

    It is very demoralising to hear of these incompetents (I can't say what I really think for fear of defamation) riding away into the sunset with huge, and they are massive, payments for life the likes of which the ordinary punter will never see. Payments of many times the avg wage, it's disgusting and immoral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭cailinardthair


    Deputy Gogarty,
    thank you for your time in answering some of the questions being asked here.
    I have three questions to put forward, regarding two subjects.

    My first question is, what is your stance on banning alcohol advertising in sports? Iv'e seen how much alcohol companies have given to sports in Ireland considering how little funding most sports receive.

    On a side note, does the Green Party support regarding making Irish provincial rugby matches free to air? Considering the economic down turn, this course of action would likely result in two of the Irish provincial teams going under and lose jobs, advertising, tourism for individual cities.

    lastly, a few days ago, i heard on Newstalk that the Green Party supports reduction of carbon emissions by reducing national bus routes. Do you support this, considering it will likely result in more cars being used, increasing emissions and traffic congestion?

    I would just like to finish by applauding the Green Party in finally tackling the cruel blood-sports that had been present in this country.


  • Company Representative Posts: 115 Verified rep PaulGogartyTD


    I see some more questions and some questions that people felt weren't answered.

    When I get a chance in the next day or so I will cut and paste them into one long response.

    There are some thing's I can't answer, because I don't know the answer. There are some things I can't answer fully because they are politically sensitive (in the right kind of way). There are some things I don't know and I am not able to answer fully. There are some things that are matters of opinion and therefore a satisfactory answer can never be given in some people's eyes.

    But I will answer what I can, honestly, as I have done throughout the debate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    There are some things I can't answer fully because they are politically sensitive (in the right kind of way).

    Oh, sure that's fine, so. Let's forget about who's paying your wages and just arbitrarily take certain things as "politically sensitive".

    Who decides what's "politically sensitive" ?

    Shouldn't it be those who pay the bills ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭The Raven.


    There are some things I can't answer fully because they are politically sensitive (in the right kind of way).

    Interesting! Something like this?

    Censored: details of Dempsey's trip to London 'not in public interest'

    High flier: Noel Dempsey's flights to summer school in Donegal and then on to England for a secretive meeting cost at least €23,000. Details of a controversial trip to London on the government jet by minister Noel Dempsey have been censored by the Department of Transport on the basis that it would not be in the public interest to know what he was doing in the English capital.


    The cost of the round-trip is estimated at €23,000, plus the cost of sending the minister's state car to Derry to meet him. This is a lot of money to be spending, especially without informing the taxpayers what the minister was doing in London at their expense.

    Mr. Gogarty, could you please explain what this trip to London was about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    If there are only a few more questions going to be answered, I wouldn't mind seeing this one be one of them:
    Sparks wrote: »
    Most of the questions asked thus far have been questions with answers which are in the same category as most posts on boards.ie - which is to say, that the only answers you can give as a TD are your opinions on what 165 other TDs should do to resolve the issue, and obviously you cannot hold them to your opinion on what should be done.

    So I would like to ask, in the time remaining in this Government, what your specific goals are for national level (not local level) issues and policies. What legislative changes do you hope to bring forward, which do you intend to oppose, and what is the minimum level of achievement with respect to those goals that you would consider to be success?
    (And that's you as in you, Deputy Paul Gogarty, not as in you the Green Party; this is on the Deputy's own personal goals and metrics as at least there, he's can give an answer which won't be an opinion on what 165 other TDs should all agree to do).


  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Oh, sure that's fine, so. Let's forget about who's paying your wages and just arbitrarily take certain things as "politically sensitive".

    Who decides what's "politically sensitive" ?

    Shouldn't it be those who pay the bills ?
    To be fair,he hasn't elaborated on what he describes as politically sensitive but has promised to deal with the rest of the queries later.
    So bashing mr Gogarty on that, before an elaboration is given or ultimately avoided is unfair debate.



    Regarding a list system,you could also end up with some right gomdaws elected under that system unfortunately unless you also apply some minimum standards for candidacy.
    There are actually a few very good minds in the Dáil that are stifled by their parties desire for power.
    Leo Vradkar is in my opinion a very good example.Brendan Howlin is another.
    Who is to say that wouldn't happen under a list system aswell.

    Ultimately democracy determines how we are governed and the age old gripe of mine human selfishness.
    People vote with their pockets and thats rarely in the interests of the country.
    I'll buy the person who finds the best solution and convinces enough people to run with it,a pint.
    I don't see it happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    To be fair,he hasn't elaborated on what he describes as politically sensitive but has promised to deal with the rest of the queries later.
    So bashing mr Gogarty on that, before an elaboration is given or ultimately avoided is unfair debate.

    Firstly, I'm not "bashing", and that phrase is overused for describing those who object to certain phraseology and caveats and get-outs.

    Secondly, there's a valid question in there; who does decide what's "politically sensitive", and indeed, who decides whether to act or not act on it ?

    At the moment, the requirement for by-elections is viewed as "politically sensitive", as it would probably dethrone the current shower of incompetents, but unfortunately it's those with a vested interest who get to decide that.

    Likewise the details of the meetings in Sept 2008, and the reasoning (if any) for taking the route that the government have taken.

    While some things may be normally "politically sensitive", the fact that it's being proposed by the government that we have opposition agreement for the cuts required implies that we are in a different environment; if the government reckons the rules have changed on that, how come they've only changed on the bits that suit their agenda ?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    I also wouldnt mind a comment from Mr Gogarty on the final paragraph of my last post.

    I feel that this is going to be a burning issue in the future and also one of utmost importance to the future of this country.

    Well if this keeps up there wont be a next generation--They`ll all have emigrated to get away from the increases in taxes,lack of jobs and lowering of the standard of living that this FF/Green party are currently responsible for.Im even considering it myself at the minute--Taking my wife and 4 kids away from here so that I can give them a better life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭bijapos


    In an interview with Ryan Tubridy on RTE Radio 2 on Tuesday 12th Oct you said "FF as a party are addicted to corruption, and FG are not too far behind".

    Could you expand a bit more on this comment about FG?

    Comment is at 12:34 in this podcast from last Tuesday. http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_tubridy.xml


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I see some more questions and some questions that people felt weren't answered.
    I think this post wasn't answered: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68500290#post68500290


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    gambiaman wrote: »
    Please do.
    I have heard nothing in the media about any legislation passed to freeze entitlements to thsoe in responsible departments/institutions, and I am talking about in the past two years not retrospectively as I understand the negatives of going down that route.

    Why can't these be taxed punitively for each and everyone of those who ran this country like their own personal fifedom?

    It is very demoralising to hear of these incompetents (I can't say what I really think for fear of defamation) riding away into the sunset with huge, and they are massive, payments for life the likes of which the ordinary punter will never see. Payments of many times the avg wage, it's disgusting and immoral.


    And just to add as some kind of backup to what I am saying:

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/lets-seize-assets-of-financial-terrorists-2384763.html

    Quite amazing isn't it? The breakneck speed which those in power can move when their assets and position aren't on the line?

    and thsi:
    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/gogarty-pushes-for-dublin-mayor-job-478334.html

    Oh. the answer to my fluoridation question makes sense now ...;/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    I think the Deputy has made the point about only knowing what they knew at the time well enough.

    So basically they made a decision that's costing us billions without knowing / researching all the facts in order to make an informed decision ?

    That's a sickening admission.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    I can't help but feel you've actually made a very similar jump to the one you're complaining of, though. The statement you quote is short summary of a position already discussed at some length, and it seems a little unfair to take it as if it were the only statement made.

    You can feel whatever you want as long as you don't claim it as fact.

    The deputy went through 5 levels of "maybes" in order to declare that someone was against "a necessity".

    I can categorically state that I have never, ever made anywhere near that much of a jump in order to discredit someone's point of view.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    The Deputy has variously said through his posts that: (1) a collapse in the system, even for a short period, would have lead to absolute economic and social meltdown

    The deputy can say this all he wants, just as Cowen and the rest of the government can say "we've turned a corner"; it doesn't make it true.

    Politicians have a track record of lying and/or spinning in order to make their decisions look less bad.

    I would agree that this was a possibility, but it is not a fact.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    (2) it was necessary to avoid that possibility

    Funny, that - you stated #1 as a fact - "it would have led to...." and now you're describing it as a "possibility".
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    (3) the Deputy believes that doing something was necessary to avoid that possibility

    I would certainly suggest that minimising that possibility was desirable, but the claims about "we cannot at any cost" are ridiculous. What if the cost was greater than the cost of the action ?

    If you tell someone "I want to buy that house at any cost", all they'll do is up the price to a ridiculously unfair level.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    (4) they did something

    No argument there.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    what they did seemed like the best option at the time.

    Again, a matter of conjecture and opinion. We don't know the criteria, and we don't know if their logic and judgement was flawed, especially considering the fact that they didn't take meetings at one of the most important meetings in our history.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    It's very easy for someone to disagree with the bank bailout now, from a position where the collapse under discussion has a comfortable probability of zero, but it doesn't seem out of line that someone who thought it was necessary at the time should stand over that decision now.

    Again, you're attempting to imply that any opinions have been formed with hindsight.

    I would equally argue that anyone who said "OK, Lenihan, you reckoned we needed this, and I'll back you" could easily u-turn when it became clear that Lenihan didn't bother putting in a single safeguard to protect the interests of the country.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    The Deputy seems to me to have acknowledged that that's his view,

    Which he has used to discredit someone else's view by disguising that opinion as fact via dodgy conjecture.
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    who knows what the various naysayers would have said had they had to make the decision at the time themselves?

    Indeed. I mean, if we had all the facts that Lenihan had - including the report that he didn't read - which we still don't have.

    In addition, as I've said ever since the original guarantee, with no "hindsight" caveat, it's incredible to think that a barrister would give another party carte blanche with zero caveats or safeguards.......I've repeatedly said that we are providing insurance for banks which contains less safeguards than my car insurance policy in terms of "as long as you're telling us the truth and haven't done anything illegal, this contract will stand up".
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    That sounds like someone talking about a 'necessity' to me.

    That "something" needed to be done, yes.

    That what the government did was fair and just, no.
    That I can phrase that as a certainty and discredit someone else's opinion by implying that my opinion is a fact, no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,192 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    gambiaman wrote: »
    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/gogarty-pushes-for-dublin-mayor-job-478334.html

    Oh. the answer to my fluoridation question makes sense now ...;/
    The fog is lifting now.... :eek:

    Not your ornery onager



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    esel wrote: »
    The fog is lifting now.... :eek:

    Yes it is.......I wonder why all those posts saying "I'll raise that in the Dáil for ya......." weren't caveated by "......if I'm still there because I'm setting up plan B as we speak" ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    Hi Paul,

    There's a thread here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056063828 from a person (Utik) who is going through an awful time with gangs of local youths causing her and her family trouble. Is there anything you can do on her behalf or even to put her in touch with people in your own party who can help her out at all please. I know there are plenty of others in other area's also that go through this kind of crap on a daily basis but in her case at least, the Gardaí seem unwilling to help.
    Was wondering if it were possible you or someone in your party could advise her either in writing or via phone (or in person at a clinic maybe) as and to what can be done to help alleviate the troubles she's going through, possibly to bring it up at a county managers meeting for some input or possible course of action to help the situation out.

    Cheers ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Do you think coarse fishing(any type of rod/sport fishing) should be banned?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Where has he gone dont tell the Dail is on another break :eek:


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  • Company Representative Posts: 115 Verified rep PaulGogartyTD


    I still intend to respond to what's left when I get the time asap. Apologies for the delay.


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