Political leanings/ideas of AH posters

K-9 · 16-10-2010 03:28AM

Dudess wrote: »

Yep - any reasonable person who's left-wing is going to be a critic of North Korea; any reasonable person who's right-wing is going to be a critic of nazi Germany.

True. Anyway, the distinctions between both wings seem to be fuzzier in the last 10/15 years with New Labour in the UK and even the Tories moving slightly left of the bould Maggie.

Here, the parties have changed that much I don't think any one of them represents me anymore.

Dudess · 16-10-2010 03:34AM

Links234 wrote: »

why not be a feminist? (just wondering)

Yeah cool. I hold the original tenets of it extremely dearly (and I despair of women who seem to have forgotten about what had to be fought for) but I don't consider them relevant any more (here in the west I emphasise - of course there is a long way to go for women in many, many places around the world, so in the cases of those, yes I would be a feminist; but I don't think that's a gender issue as much as a human rights issue). Sure, women in the west face obstacles because of their gender, but so do men. It seems where men benefit because of their gender, women lose out (e.g. the workplace) and where women benefit because of their gender, men lose out (e.g. parental rights).
Wish it caused unity rather than division though...

amacachi · 16-10-2010 03:40AM

I'd be on the right on the vast majority of things, even though most of my opinions seem leftish to the untrained eye. :pac:

starbelgrade · 16-10-2010 03:49AM

amacachi wrote: »

I'd be on the right on the vast majority of things, even though most of my opinions seem leftish to the untrained eye. :pac:

Technically then, you have a lazy eye!

K-9 · 16-10-2010 04:00AM

amacachi wrote: »

I'd be on the right on the vast majority of things, even though most of my opinions seem leftish to the untrained eye. :pac:

Ah, new labour then!

There really isn't that much of a distinction these days in Ireland, even the Greens and the old PD's aren't that far of the centre. The Tories in England seemed to want to be new Labour.

TheUsual · 16-10-2010 04:37AM

Soviet.
Putin is a bit of a soft touch to be honest.

Liam Byrne · 16-10-2010 11:23AM

Anything that ends in "..ist" is extreme and should be ignored.

If you get my gist.

Mark200 · 16-10-2010 01:26PM

sdonn wrote: »

I'm sorely tempted to start my own new part called the Sensible party. Only those with brain cells will be allowed join, thus automatically excluding ~150 of our 166 TD's and about two thirds of senators.

No closed shops, 100% transparent, 100% fair, well thought out, well balanced, and most critically important of all well planned political party.

Oh look, flying pigs.

Never in Ireland. Pity too.

Your idea sounds good in theory, but in practice it would never world. You can never have 100% transparency. There will always be people who say that you're hiding something and they need to know more. What are you going to do? Tell everyone what a TD bought for their son's 4th birthday present? You just can't go into that much detail. If you did, then the talk would go onto other Government employees. Next thing you'll be getting calls to know what every civil or public servant is spending money on in the private lives!

And your call for 100% fairness is equally impractical. Everyone has a different definition of fairness. Some will say that it's only fair that you tax the wealthy more than you tax the middle or lower income brackets, but then you'll also get the reasonable argument from the wealthy saying that they got their money through hard work and should have a right to earn that money without being punished. You'll never satisfy everyone's definition of fairness.

Also your "Never in Ireland" comment at the end is a bit ridiculous. Can you point us to any Government in the world that you feel is 100% transparent and 100% fair?

Stinicker wrote: »

I do not support Nazism but find myself further right than those on the centre right for instance. I am about 75% right.

To be a total Far Right Nazi is actually to be an extreme leftist as the Nazi's were National Socialists with all the trappings of Communism for Germans only, you were equal so long as you were blue eyed and blonde.

It may be difficult to get your head around but the vast majority of the Worlds evil has come from those subscribing to Marxist works, Stalin killed more people in Russia than died in WWII and China has killed millions also to keep left-wing dictatorships alive.

That Nazis were not socialists. They were "National Socialists" in name only... they came to power by making people fear the prospect of a Communist takeover. They told Germany that they were the only alternative.

To suggest that the "vast majority of the Worlds evil has come from those subscribing to Marxist works" is ridiculous, and you're extremely selective in what evils you actually refer to. You could far more easily claim that religion and religious tendencies have contributed far more to death in the world.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned politically I don't think I really fall anywhere on the left/right political axis. I'm for gay marriage/adoption, but I don't think that that solely defines me as liberal since I see it more as an issue of human rights. There was nothing liberal about saying that blacks deserve the same rights as whites in America not too long ago.

I'm pro-choice on abortion, but also against any 'gun-rights' that many in America seem to cling onto. I'm Fiscally Conservative in the sense that I don't see why Governments think it's ok to run deficits year after year. Bottom line: You just can't be spending more money than you have. After that, I'm all for welfare, healthcare, education etc. Although on the subject of welfare... I think people need to be given a real incentive to try find a job. It should be a safety net only.

I'm the member of a Youth branch of a political party, but not because I have any loyalty towards the party or anything like that... it's simply because I want to get involved with politics and I see them as, currently, the least worst party.

HavingCrack · 16-10-2010 01:36PM

Left-Libertarian (go google it

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Stinicker wrote: »

I do not support Nazism but find myself further right than those on the centre right for instance. I am about 75% right.

To be a total Far Right Nazi is actually to be an extreme leftist as the Nazi's were National Socialists with all the trappings of Communism for Germans only, you were equal so long as you were blue eyed and blonde.

It may be difficult to get your head around but the vast majority of the Worlds evil has come from those subscribing to Marxist works, Stalin killed more people in Russia than died in WWII and China has killed millions also to keep left-wing dictatorships alive.

That's the sort of rubbish religious conservatives come out with in the United States.

1-The Nazi's eliminated both the German Communist Party and the Social Democrats, hardly something commited Communists would do.

2-None of you above examples were Marxist in nature, they're all totalitarian dictatorships.

Stinicker · 16-10-2010 02:04PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

Left-Libertarian (go google it )

That's the sort of rubbish religious conservatives come out with in the United States.

1-The Nazi's eliminated both the German Communist Party and the Social Democrats, hardly something commited Communists would do.

2-None of you above examples were Marxist in nature, they're all totalitarian dictatorships.

The entire Soviet bloc was a Dictatorship and places like Vietnam, China, North Korea and Cuba are still to this day Communist Dictatorships. The Nazi's eliminated the Communists within Germany as both were for equality and Nazi Socialism only applied to White people and only the equality principles of Communism did not apply if you were not of the correct race.

Communism = For Everybody
Nazi National Socialism = Communism for White Germans only

Leftwing liberal politics like these are the greatest threat to global stability to this day.

Mark200 · 16-10-2010 02:09PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The entire Soviet bloc was a Dictatorship and places like Vietnam, China, North Korea and Cuba are still to this day Communist Dictatorships. The Nazi's eliminated the Communists within Germany as both were for equality and Nazi Socialism only applied to White people and only the equality principles of Communism did not apply if you were not of the correct race.

Communism = For Everybody
Nazi National Socialism = Communism for White Germans only

Leftwing liberal politics like these are the greatest threat to global stability to this day.

To attempt to even imply a link between the Holocaust and left-wing policies like you are trying to do is ridiculous. I get it, you're clearly on a self-serving mission to convince others that left-wing policies are inherently evil. But please, whenever you have a chance, step back and actually look at the facts.

brandon_flowers · 16-10-2010 02:10PM

I only opened this thread because I wanted to see what Biggins describes himself as.

Thread fail in that case.

starbelgrade · 16-10-2010 02:14PM

brandon_flowers wrote: »

I only opened this thread because I wanted to see what Biggins describes himself as.

Thread fail in that case.

Don't give up yet - he's probably still writing his reply.

rainbow kirby · 16-10-2010 02:16PM

Fairly close to the bottom left corner of the political compass.

HavingCrack · 16-10-2010 02:18PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The entire Soviet bloc was a Dictatorship and places like Vietnam, China, North Korea and Cuba are still to this day Communist Dictatorships. The Nazi's eliminated the Communists within Germany as both were for equality and Nazi Socialism only applied to White people and only the equality principles of Communism did not apply if you were not of the correct race.

Communism = For Everybody
Nazi National Socialism = Communism for White Germans only

Leftwing liberal politics like these are the greatest threat to global stability to this day.

Oh dear, I think you'll find a more receptive audience in the US politics forum.

amacachi · 16-10-2010 03:41PM

K-9 wrote: »

Ah, new labour then!

There really isn't that much of a distinction these days in Ireland, even the Greens and the old PD's aren't that far of the centre. The Tories in England seemed to want to be new Labour.

Not really, there's a difference between Capitalism and Cronyism.

Stinicker · 16-10-2010 04:04PM

Mark200 wrote: »

To attempt to even imply a link between the Holocaust and left-wing policies like you are trying to do is ridiculous. I get it, you're clearly on a self-serving mission to convince others that left-wing policies are inherently evil. But please, whenever you have a chance, step back and actually look at the facts.

The Holocaust was a terrible thing to happen in our World, however before you heap praise on your beloved system of Socialism remember this.

Hitler killed 6 million+ Jews during WWII.

Before WWII Stalin had killed 1.7million in the "Great Purge" between 1936 to 1937.

Stalin ethnically cleansed about 250,000 Polish as the Germans retreated back into Germany.

Leftwing Communism, Marxism and Socialism has directly caused the deaths of
65 million in the China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America

Over 100 million people have been killed in this World by leftwing forces and the vast majority of them were not killed in War but systemically killed by Communist forces. Millions to this day starve in North Korea how anyone can defend leftwing politics is far beyond me and they are condoning something that was far far worse than anything Hitler or the Germans ever did.

You should remember this that in Ireland we have three very dangerous parties that no one should ever vote for, The Communist Party of Ireland, The Socialist Party and Labour. The three partys are no different and represent the same ideaology that killed 1 in 20 of the worlds population at the time.

Nodin · 16-10-2010 04:07PM

Stinicker wrote: »

...........You should remember this that in Ireland we have three very dangerous parties that no one should ever vote for, The Communist Party of Ireland, The Socialist Party and Labour. The three partys are no different and represent the same ideaology that killed 1 in 20 of the worlds population at the time.

Bollocks. Is there some reason you're trying to wind that gentleman up?

K-9 · 16-10-2010 04:10PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Nazi's eliminated the Communists within Germany as both were for equality and Nazi Socialism only applied to White people and only the equality principles of Communism did not apply if you were not of the correct race.

LOL

K-9 · 16-10-2010 04:13PM

Stinicker wrote: »

You should remember this that in Ireland we have three very dangerous parties that no one should ever vote for, The Communist Party of Ireland, The Socialist Party and Labour. The three partys are no different and represent the same ideaology that killed 1 in 20 of the worlds population at the time.

Even more LOL.

Don't vote FG whatever you do folks, they represent Nazism.

HavingCrack · 16-10-2010 04:38PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Holocaust was a terrible thing to happen in our World, however before you heap praise on your beloved system of Socialism remember this.

Hitler killed 6 million+ Jews during WWII.

Before WWII Stalin had killed 1.7million in the "Great Purge" between 1936 to 1937.

Stalin ethnically cleansed about 250,000 Polish as the Germans retreated back into Germany.

Leftwing Communism, Marxism and Socialism has directly caused the deaths of
65 million in the China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America

Over 100 million people have been killed in this World by leftwing forces and the vast majority of them were not killed in War but systemically killed by Communist forces. Millions to this day starve in North Korea how anyone can defend leftwing politics is far beyond me and they are condoning something that was far far worse than anything Hitler or the Germans ever did.

You should remember this that in Ireland we have three very dangerous parties that no one should ever vote for, The Communist Party of Ireland, The Socialist Party and Labour. The three partys are no different and represent the same ideaology that killed 1 in 20 of the worlds population at the time.

Socialism and Communism and Totalitarianism are not the same thing. End Of.

None of those states you listed are actually Communist in the true sense of the word, they're all totalitarian regimes.

I myself am a libertarian and have no love for socialism but you've clearly been indoctrinated with the weirdly blinkered view of history so common in the United States.

I won't bother arguing with you anymore.

southsiderosie · 16-10-2010 04:43PM

Stained Class wrote: »

Of course. I see what you are saying.

Im in FG. I outlined why, but I'm not telling anybody that the're the answer to our problems or anything..

You're right about the Seniors. They're retired & thusly have the time to organise & protest.

It's the same with young people. They often have no commitments & can go on Animal Rights/Gay Pride etc etc...things

I'm 42, married, mortaged, working, have kids & have all the commitments that go with that.

Can I take days off to go on protests/demos/marches for this that & the other?

Can I fook?

This is my point about there being a great silent majority in this country really..

Well why aren't people organizing protests on Saturdays? At a minimum, people could write a letter and/or ring their TD's. Both of my parents worked full time, and my dad usually worked 60 hours a week with overtime, but they would show up for community meetings and protests, especially if it involved issues affecting public schools.

Honestly, a democracy is as good as its citizens make it. And the obligations of citizenship aren't limited to election day.

Sharkey 10 · 16-10-2010 11:43PM

Dudess wrote: »

Yep - any reasonable person who's left-wing is going to be a critic of North Korea; any reasonable person who's right-wing is going to be a critic of nazi Germany.

Surely you dont have to be a person of any political ideals to criticize both , but you seem to imply that the regime of north korea is left wing , which is way off imo

Stained Class · 17-10-2010 12:02AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Well why aren't people organizing protests on Saturdays? At a minimum, people could write a letter and/or ring their TD's. Both of my parents worked full time, and my dad usually worked 60 hours a week with overtime, but they would show up for community meetings and protests, especially if it involved issues affecting public schools.

Honestly, a democracy is as good as its citizens make it. And the obligations of citizenship aren't limited to election day.

Saturdays? Hell, that's my busiest day of the week!

Taking the kids to sports, visiting my elderly parents, mowing the lawn, the list goes on....

Also, I take issue with what you're saying about me only getting involved with issues only when there's an election coming up.

I work quietly with the only credible opposition party* , the one that could unseat the one that Charlie built.:)

*I could be totally misguided here

southsiderosie · 17-10-2010 12:06AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Saturdays? Hell, that's my busiest day of the week!

Taking the kids to sports, visiting my elderly parents, mowing the lawn, the list goes on....

Also, I take issue with what you're saying about me only getting involved with issues only when there's an election coming up.

I work quietly with the only credible opposition party* to the one that could unseat the one that Charlie built.:)

*I could be totally misguided here

Let the kids make their own picket signs and then take them with you. Protests can be family outings. Everybody wins!

Sorry, that wasn't meant to be a personal critique, but rather a comment on what so many of the "silent majority" complain about: they aren't listened to - but then they aren't making much noise either. Yes they vote, but then their issues aren't attended to...but they don't do a great job of articulating their issues for elected officials.

Oh, and based on the polls I've seen, I think you may be misguided.

Stained Class · 17-10-2010 12:20AM

No problemo.:)

I just think that a lot of louthmouth pressure groups get their way because they have a lot of time on their hands & have gotten the funds from somewhere to back them up.

I appreciate that most of the posters on AH are far younger than me & don't face the issues I've outlined earlier.

Ya don't know it till you've lived it!

In my mind, it's safe to say though that a lot of the people that work the hardest & contribute the most to this society are just not heard.

Why?

Because, we're just out there trying to do the best for ourselves & our families & by extension are contributing more than most to society at large.

Not sure if this makes sense or not, but there it is.:):)

McDougal · 17-10-2010 12:33AM

Stained Class wrote: »

I'm an active member of the FG party.

Have been for a good number of years too.

Even as a kid I could see that Haughey & his gombeen mates were self serving gob****es.

I couldn't fathom how so many people in this country voted for them.

Anyhoo,I, at the earliest available oppertunity joined the organisation that could have the best chance of getting these gits out of power.

Personally, I'd be quite straitforward in my views, right wing, if you like.

I think there's far too much energy wasted in pandering to loudmouthed pressure groups with their own vacuous agendas.

Time to find out what the great silent majority(i.e the people too busy to get involved in nonsensical pressure groups) have to say about the state of things & how they would like to change things.

POWER TO THE silent PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate Fine Gael even more than Fianna Fáil

Stained Class · 17-10-2010 12:38AM

McDougal wrote: »

I hate Fine Gael even more than Fianna Fáil

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, same as everybody else.:rolleyes:

McDougal · 17-10-2010 12:40AM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Holocaust was a terrible thing to happen in our World, however before you heap praise on your beloved system of Socialism remember this.

Hitler killed 6 million+ Jews during WWII.

Before WWII Stalin had killed 1.7million in the "Great Purge" between 1936 to 1937.

Stalin ethnically cleansed about 250,000 Polish as the Germans retreated back into Germany.

Leftwing Communism, Marxism and Socialism has directly caused the deaths of
65 million in the China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America

Over 100 million people have been killed in this World by leftwing forces and the vast majority of them were not killed in War but systemically killed by Communist forces. Millions to this day starve in North Korea how anyone can defend leftwing politics is far beyond me and they are condoning something that was far far worse than anything Hitler or the Germans ever did.

You should remember this that in Ireland we have three very dangerous parties that no one should ever vote for, The Communist Party of Ireland, The Socialist Party and Labour. The three partys are no different and represent the same ideaology that killed 1 in 20 of the worlds population at the time.

Can you back up those figures?

How many people has capitalism killed and is killing today? Capitalism killed a million people in Ireland during the famine. How amny did the British empire murder the world over? in their 200 years in India they killed about 100 million. What about the colonisation of Africa? What about the 3.6 million the americans killed in vietnam? What about all the people starving in the world while rich fat capitalists are richer than ever?

Sharkey 10 · 17-10-2010 12:45AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Saturdays? Hell, that's my busiest day of the week!

Taking the kids to sports, visiting my elderly parents, mowing the lawn, the list goes on....

Also, I take issue with what you're saying about me only getting involved with issues only when there's an election coming up.

I work quietly with the only credible opposition party* , the one that could unseat the one that Charlie built.:)

*I could be totally misguided here

Whats the credible party ?

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