Political leanings/ideas of AH posters

southsiderosie · 16-10-2010 12:15AM

Stained Class wrote: »

POWER TO THE silent PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Silent people don't get power. That's not how power works.

sdanseo · 16-10-2010 12:19AM

I'm sorely tempted to start my own new part called the Sensible party. Only those with brain cells will be allowed join, thus automatically excluding ~150 of our 166 TD's and about two thirds of senators.

No closed shops, 100% transparent, 100% fair, well thought out, well balanced, and most critically important of all well planned political party.

Oh look, flying pigs.

Never in Ireland. Pity too.

Stained Class · 16-10-2010 12:19AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Silent people don't get power. That's not how power works.

In some ways true alright, but the loud ones can tend or need to be voted in by a lot of silent people sometimes.

If that makes sense...

-Trek- · 16-10-2010 12:26AM

I like to lean towards the left ..... right up against the radiator.

southsiderosie · 16-10-2010 12:27AM

Stained Class wrote: »

In some ways true alright, but the loud ones can tend or need to be voted in by a lot of silent people sometimes.

If that makes sense...

I see what you are saying, but voting for someone and having them actually represent your interests are two separate matters. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, especially when there are limited resources. Why do you think seniors are less likely to get their benefits cut than any other group in society? Because they raise the most fuss, call their representatives, and take to the streets when any of their entitlements are threatened. Whereas young people make Facebook groups. :rolleyes:

Dudess · 16-10-2010 12:31AM

Absurdum wrote: »

most people here are lefty students who have no idea about the real world

runs away

Yeah but there are some here too who take a really hardline right-wing stance and don't seem to have any idea about the real world either.

Also, being mostly left-wing doesn't mean automatically being PC - I generally have no time for political correctness (well political correctness as I see it - walking on eggshells so as not to offend anyone; the original tenets of it though are something I'm very much in agreement with. Ditto feminism - in the western world anyway).

Stained Class · 16-10-2010 12:47AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

I see what you are saying, but voting for someone and having them actually represent your interests are two separate matters. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, especially when there are limited resources. Why do you think seniors are less likely to get their benefits cut than any other group in society? Because they raise the most fuss, call their representatives, and take to the streets when any of their entitlements are threatened. Whereas young people make Facebook groups. :rolleyes:

Of course. I see what you are saying.

Im in FG. I outlined why, but I'm not telling anybody that the're the answer to our problems or anything..

You're right about the Seniors. They're retired & thusly have the time to organise & protest.

It's the same with young people. They often have no commitments & can go on Animal Rights/Gay Pride etc etc...things

I'm 42, married, mortaged, working, have kids & have all the commitments that go with that.

Can I take days off to go on protests/demos/marches for this that & the other?

Can I fook?

This is my point about there being a great silent majority in this country really..

alwaysadub · 16-10-2010 12:55AM

Trekmad wrote: »

I like to lean towards the left ..... right up against the radiator.

Don't burn yourself!!:D

flanno_7hi · 16-10-2010 01:08AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Silent people don't get power. That's not how power works.

What about the ninjas?

Stinicker · 16-10-2010 01:10AM

I am far right of centre.

mikom · 16-10-2010 01:11AM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Are you the member of a party? Are you happy with the leadership of that party? etc

The... party. With the... with the pants. Party with pants?

starbelgrade · 16-10-2010 01:11AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I am far right of centre.

Yes, mein Furher.

flanno_7hi · 16-10-2010 01:13AM

Would class myself as a nationalist however SF's "economic policy" puts me off them. Think both FF and FG are both the same, Labour are the ultimate sell outs and the greens, who i voted for previously, also sold out so i will never vote for them again.

Stained Class · 16-10-2010 01:14AM

medicman2009 wrote: »

I have no interest in membership of any political party, to do so merely constrains you into a failed political system. I just don't do party policies, but I can lean to the Right or Left depending on the issue at hand.

I think that's a cop out really.

Believe in nothing & everything will sort itself out right?

Wrong.

I don't pretend I know all the answers, but the system hasn't failed us.

The people who operate in it have.......shamefully!

Operate within the system, keep your head down & make yourself indespensible.

That's the way to make a real differance.;)

Stinicker · 16-10-2010 01:17AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Yes, mein Furher.

I do not support Nazism but find myself further right than those on the centre right for instance. I am about 75% right.

To be a total Far Right Nazi is actually to be an extreme leftist as the Nazi's were National Socialists with all the trappings of Communism for Germans only, you were equal so long as you were blue eyed and blonde.

It may be difficult to get your head around but the vast majority of the Worlds evil has come from those subscribing to Marxist works, Stalin killed more people in Russia than died in WWII and China has killed millions also to keep left-wing dictatorships alive.

starbelgrade · 16-10-2010 01:34AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRxAcbRxoY8

ascanbe · 16-10-2010 01:35AM

I'm open; at least i try to be. I just try and use my own head/brain; i try to ensure that my only guiding light is rationality.
I'm aware enough, i think, to realise that my current understanding of rationale or my current take on it is not a set thing; i'd like to think that i'd give serious thought to any opposing point that contradicts my thinking.
The only thing that irritates me is when people try and preempt anyone who diagrees with their stance, by proclaiming they are pinko/liberals or close-minded/racist/bigots.
I try to argue any issue on its merits.

ascanbe · 16-10-2010 01:42AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I do not support Nazism but find myself further right than those on the centre right for instance. I am about 75% right.

To be a total Far Right Nazi is actually to be an extreme leftist as the Nazi's were National Socialists with all the trappings of Communism for Germans only, you were equal so long as you were blue eyed and blonde.

It may be difficult to get your head around but the vast majority of the Worlds evil has come from those subscribing to Marxist works, Stalin killed more people in Russia than died in WWII and China has killed millions also to keep left-wing dictatorships alive.

Forget about left/right..blah blah blah.
What all those people/regimes you mention have in common is being fundamentalist, un-democratic, phscyotic nut-jobs.
Not anything to allign one's self with; unless you have a new persuasive argument.

Edit: In light of my previous comment, i want to emphasise that i'm open to persuasion.

RayM · 16-10-2010 02:24AM

Stinicker wrote: »

To be a total Far Right Nazi is actually to be an extreme leftist as the Nazi's were National Socialists with all the trappings of Communism for Germans only, you were equal so long as you were blue eyed and blonde.

With respect, that's bollocks. Not by any stretch of the imagination (even the right-wing imagination) is being a total Far Right Nazi tantamount to being an extreme leftist. Equating National Socialism with 'leftism' is little more than a lazy, Godwinian trick, carried out by the type of far-right crazies who seek not to simply disassociate themselves from Nazism, but to erroneously smear others with the Hitler brush.

"Hitler was a National Socialist"
"Hitler was evil"
"Therefore Socialism is evil"

This, of course, was the same Adolf Hitler who claimed that Marxism "systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."

K-9 · 16-10-2010 02:31AM

ascanbe wrote: »

Forget about left/right..blah blah blah.
What all those people/regimes you mention have in common is being fundamentalist, un-democratic, phscyotic nut-jobs.
Not anything to allign one's self with; unless you have a new persuasive argument.

Edit: In light of my previous comment, i want to emphasise that i'm open to persuasion.

Yep, Stalinism wasn't Marxism or Communism.

Apparently I'm a liberal leftist like Gandhi:

The Political Compass - Test

Personally, I'd say a social democrat.

Links234 · 16-10-2010 02:40AM

liberal I guess?
I'm concerned with issues like lesbian, gay, bisexual & transgender rights, and marriage equality

kinda makes me sad that those things are even "political" issues, human rights should be a given no matter who you are.

Dudess · 16-10-2010 02:43AM

ascanbe wrote: »

Forget about left/right..blah blah blah.
What all those people/regimes you mention have in common is being fundamentalist, un-democratic, phscyotic nut-jobs.

Yep - any reasonable person who's left-wing is going to be a critic of North Korea; any reasonable person who's right-wing is going to be a critic of nazi Germany.

southsiderosie · 16-10-2010 02:49AM

Dudess wrote: »

Yep - any reasonable person who's left-wing is going to be a critic of North Korea; any reasonable person who's right-wing is going to be a critic of nazi Germany.

What about Cuba?

/runs for cover

kowloon · 16-10-2010 02:52AM

K-9 wrote: »

Yep, Stalinism wasn't Marxism or Communism.

Apparently I'm a liberal leftist like Gandhi:

The Political Compass - Test

Personally, I'd say a social democrat.

Interesting test, must pass it on.

Dudess · 16-10-2010 02:52AM

Cuba: Aspects to be admired, but much to be maligned.

Links234 · 16-10-2010 02:54AM

Dudess wrote: »

(e.g. I'm not a feminist - just want to see fairness in relation to both genders).

why not be a feminist? (just wondering)

southsiderosie · 16-10-2010 02:54AM

Dudess wrote: »

Cuba: Aspects to be admired, but much to be maligned.

COMMUNIST!! :mad:

Um...

FASCIST!!! :mad:

Um...

This is way too much logic for boards. I'm going to bed.

kowloon · 16-10-2010 02:57AM

Links234 wrote: »

why not be a feminist? (just wondering)

Equality over the agenda of one gender perhaps?

Depends on how you define a feminist I suppose.

Links234 · 16-10-2010 03:03AM

kowloon wrote: »

Equality over the agenda of one gender perhaps?

Depends on how you define a feminist I suppose.

see, I don't agree that having a primary concern with one gender means you can't have concern for another (I would consider myself a feminist btw)

like, something I'd like to see in this country is marriage equality, you know, full marriage and adoption rights for same sex couples, but that also means that I'd like to see both parents in all family groups be on equal footing. that means fathers rights too.

kowloon · 16-10-2010 03:17AM

Links234 wrote: »

see, I don't agree that having a primary concern with one gender means you can't have concern for another (I would consider myself a feminist btw)

like, something I'd like to see in this country is marriage equality, you know, full marriage and adoption rights for same sex couples, but that also means that I'd like to see both parents in all family groups be on equal footing. that means fathers rights too.

I think I worded my post badly. What I meant was some would define Feminists as being sexist towards men, under that definition a lot of women, and Dudess I believe, would not consider themselves feminists as they believe in equality between the sexes.
That said, go back a few years and ask someone who considers themselves a feminist what they want and they would almost certainly say equality.

Not sure if that makes sense, very tired!

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