Scumbag sues Garda

K-9 · 14-10-2010 11:08PM

These beatings of scumbags will reform them? They'll get a respect for law and order beaten into them? Their offspring (God love them!) will see the light and become better citizens?

dvpower · 14-10-2010 11:13PM

Drake66 wrote: »

Well then naturally the DPP should stop making erroneous prosecutions like this one.

Your logic is erroneous. Just because the prosecution wasn't successful doesn't mean that there wasn't a prima facie case to answer.

Drake66 · 14-10-2010 11:28PM

Of course; and you can say that about all prosecutions which fail. It doesn't stop them "costing state millions of Euro year-on-year".

SuperInfinity · 14-10-2010 11:32PM

Drake66 wrote: »

Of course; and you can say that about all prosecutions which fail. It doesn't stop them "costing state millions of Euro year-on-year".

What we need is to set up another multi-million euro quango with executives that go on expensive trips abroad to view how prosecutions are carried out in other countries.

Don't worry about the cost of it, twill save money in the long-run and help get us out of the recession we're now in.

dvpower · 14-10-2010 11:44PM

Drake66 wrote: »

Of course; and you can say that about all prosecutions which fail. It doesn't stop them "costing state millions of Euro year-on-year".

I'm all ears if you can come up with a way for the DPP to know what the outcome of a case will be before it takes place.
We could scrap our courts service and save a fortune.

ArmaniJeanss · 15-10-2010 12:17AM

Drake66 wrote: »

Of course; and you can say that about all prosecutions which fail. It doesn't stop them "costing state millions of Euro year-on-year".

A minor point, but failed prosecutions don't cost millions unless you do the tabloid trick of adding up all the costs encurred pro-rata (wages,heat,paperwork,building costs) for the durations of trials.

But regardless of the outcome of this trial or even if it had never taken place, the judges,clerks,formfillers etc would still be paid as they are salaried staff, and the court buildings would still need to be cleaned,heated and generally maintained.

senordingdong · 15-10-2010 07:22AM

dvpower wrote: »

We could scrap our courts service and save a fortune.

We sure could!

You do agree that the courts system could do with an overhauld, right?

Reloc8 · 15-10-2010 08:18AM

man.about.town wrote: »

i believe gardai should be harder to convict, the reason for this is that, lets say for example that i am a banker and if i go out on a friday night and punch someone, ill be arrested and brought to court for it, then ill be convicted, and then ill go back to work on monday and no one needs to no.

eh wha ? You could end up in prison like anybody convicted of assault - particularly if the case is heard in the Circuit Court (countdown to when someone says all bankers should be in prison starts....now.)

man.about.town wrote: »

however, if a garda punches someone, they'll be suspended, there name will be all over the paper and if convicted they lose there job.

Just like most people

man.about.town wrote: »

now the garda didnt go out of his way to punch someone but it happened in his line of work, more than likely dealing with a person who is aggressive, my point is that the job hes in puts him in these circumstances more so than anyone other job.

This is true and the other argument (that is the other better argument) is that because of the circumstances he/she will be exposed to, he/she must be able to demonstrate more self-control than someone not exposed to those circumstances.

That said the garda in this case was tried lawfully and acquitted and is entitled to be considered not guilty and nothing I said here is meant to go behind that.

senordingdong · 15-10-2010 08:22AM

Reloc8 wrote: »

eh wha ? You could end up in prison like anybody convicted of assault - particularly if the case is heard in the Circuit Court (countdown to when someone says all bankers should be in prison starts....now.)

Hardly, the chances of going to prison for assault are very, very slim.

dvpower · 15-10-2010 09:35AM

man.about.town wrote: »

however, if a garda punches someone, they'll be suspended, there name will be all over the paper and if convicted they lose there job.

I can't think of a single profession where an employee could punch someone in the course of their duties and not lose their job.

Well, professional boxer maybe

prinz · 15-10-2010 09:35AM

Don't understand why it took 10 or so Gardaí to get involved, but I can easily understand why it may have been necessary to smash the window, take out the suspect, restrain and subdue.

dvpower · 15-10-2010 09:39AM

senordingdong wrote: »

You do agree that the courts system could do with an overhauld, right?

No, but they could certainly do things more efficiently.
Can you come up with reforms that would have prevented this case from reaching court?

dvpower · 15-10-2010 09:43AM

prinz wrote: »

Don't understand why it took 10 or so Gardaí to get involved, but I can easily understand why it may have been necessary to smash the window, take out the suspect, restrain and subdue.

I think it may be standard procedure. A member of AGS earlier in the thread alluded to this. I remember seeing one of those SKY1 UK cop shows, where they had a cop explaining the rational.

prinz · 15-10-2010 10:01AM

dvpower wrote: »

Can you come up with reforms that would have prevented this case from reaching court?

I have this invention calleda 'blind eye'. All you have to do is turn it. Problem solved :pac:

dvpower wrote: »

I think it may be standard procedure. A member of AGS earlier in the thread alluded to this. I remember seeing one of those SKY1 UK cop shows, where they had a cop explaining the rational.

I can understand the procedures of getting someone out by the process of smashing the window etc, but 10+ gardaí allegedly getting involved in physical contact with the "victim" seems over the top.

I'd really love to know how many of the gardaí actually got into physical contact and how many were just standing around watching/securing the vehicle.

Want to see the tape.

dvpower · 15-10-2010 11:21AM

prinz wrote: »

I have this invention calleda 'blind eye'. All you have to do is turn it. Problem solved :pac:

Not a strategy that has been hugely successful in other areas of Irish life.

prinz wrote: »

I can understand the procedures of getting someone out by the process of smashing the window etc, but 10+ gardaí allegedly getting involved in physical contact with the "victim" seems over the top.

I'd really love to know how many of the gardaí actually got into physical contact and how many were just standing around watching/securing the vehicle.

Want to see the tape.

Given that the judge likened it to the Rodney King incident, I think its fair to assume that it was more than just the single garda.

prinz · 15-10-2010 11:28AM

dvpower wrote: »

Not a strategy that has been hugely successful in other areas of Irish life.

Joking

dvpower wrote: »

Given that the judge likened it to the Rodney King incident, I think its fair to assume that it was more than just the single garda.

Even 3, 4 or 5 could be needed though in fairness. Hard to say without seeing it, but we'll have to take the judge's word on it. Sounds like they went over the top.

Sgt. Bilko 09 · 15-10-2010 11:33AM

Garda Curtis = Legend

dontbossme · 15-10-2010 11:39AM

K-9 wrote: »

These beatings of scumbags will reform them? They'll get a respect for law and order beaten into them? Their offspring (God love them!) will see the light and become better citizens?

Id say make you hate the law more..

They go to prison tough and come out tougher :eek:

senordingdong · 15-10-2010 12:28PM

dvpower wrote: »

No, but they could certainly do things more efficiently.
Can you come up with reforms that would have prevented this case from reaching court?

Yes.
But it's Friday and I don't feel like argueing.

K-9 · 15-10-2010 06:09PM

dontbossme wrote: »

Id say make you hate the law more..

They go to prison tough and come out tougher :eek:

All of them?

And you couldn't be farther from the truth on the first part. I believe law and order applies to everybody.

man.about.town · 16-10-2010 12:36AM

dvpower wrote: »

Not a strategy that has been hugely successful in other areas of Irish life.

Given that the judge likened it to the Rodney King incident, I think its fair to assume that it was more than just the single garda.

in the herald, theres a quote from the judge, "This to me is a case of a single garda overreacting." so i would imagine not all of the 10 gardai got involved.

K-9 · 19-10-2010 03:59PM

Wonder is there any truth to this piece?

Gardai accused of holding woman while son beaten - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

HarryPotter41 · 19-10-2010 04:28PM

K-9 wrote: »

Wonder is there any truth to this piece?

Gardai accused of holding woman while son beaten - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

If there is it couldn't be condoned. Seems madness that four Gardai would jeopardise their careers knowing that there was no way of defending themselves if action was taken by the family.

thebullkf · 19-10-2010 04:37PM

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Garda Curtis = Legend

that post = Retarded

steddyeddy · 19-10-2010 04:44PM

K-9 wrote: »

Wonder is there any truth to this piece?

Gardai accused of holding woman while son beaten - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

Well Ill put it this way it wouldnt surprise me, all the pieces fit member of the irish police force, assault on a person smaller than the gaurd and the assault happened in a disadvantaged area(less likely to charge or be believed).

One good thing the repeat offender has done by reporting the offending officers is open the door for other cases to come out.

steddyeddy · 19-10-2010 04:46PM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

If there is it couldn't be condoned. Seems madness that four Gardai would jeopardise their careers knowing that there was no way of defending themselves if action was taken by the family.

Well thats the point they dont see it as jeopardising their careers because they get away with it again and again. maybe the next time it will genuinly jeopardise their careers.

HarryPotter41 · 19-10-2010 04:48PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well thats the point they dont see it as jeopardising their careers because they get away with it again and again. maybe the next time it will genuinly jeopardise their careers.

A ridiculously sweeping statement that implies that all Gardai go out and regularly beat people up in their own homes.

steddyeddy · 19-10-2010 04:51PM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

A ridiculously sweeping statement that implies that all Gardai go out and regularly beat people up in their own homes.

When did I mention all gardai, I was refering to the gardai who do attack people. A ridiculous reply twisitng my words to fit your "anyone who thinks some gaurds are thugs hates all gaurds" agenda.

prinz · 19-10-2010 04:53PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

When did I mention all gardai, I was refering to the gardai who do attack people. A ridiculous reply twisitng my words to fit your "anyone who thinks some gaurds are thugs hates all gaurds" agenda.

In fairness you did mention "membership of the Irish police force" as a major piece of the puzzle. Perhaps you'd let us in on your agenda?

steddyeddy · 19-10-2010 04:54PM

prinz wrote: »

In fairness you did mention "membership of the Irish police force" as a mjor piece of the puzzle. Perhaps you'd let us in on your agenda?

Well it says in the article gaurda, what other police force in the world are called that, and to be honest I wouldnt expect the same behaviour at this level in another first world country but I didnt mention all gaurda I have plenty of gaurd friends who are sickended by this sort of thing (well thats what they tell me).

Scumbag sues Garda

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