Ok, I suppose 'turned a corner' is over-used...

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:16PM #1

but seriously guys, you cannot argue this is not some of the best news on the economy for a while now...

the budget is still going to be a bitch, it wont stop people emigrating and there's still long dole queues but given some time we'll recover and we'll be better off than the other european countries.

shag it, standard and poors have given us so much s'hit since the crisis that an endorsement like 'turned a corner' starts to mean something.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/economy-has-turned-the-corner-experts-say-2376296.html

Biggins · 13-10-2010 02:17PM

Thats for sharing.

We've turned that many corners supposedly, we are going around the block in circles!

TanG411 · 13-10-2010 02:17PM

The economy could turn four corners, but at the end of the day, it's back where it started.

Sanjuro · 13-10-2010 02:18PM

YAY!! PARTY!! FANTASTIC! THIS IS AMAZING NEWS!!!!!

Except we've heard it all before. And it means very little for the average person. Next.

123balltv · 13-10-2010 02:22PM

turned another corner :mad: we hav'nt even hit rock bottom yet
most of my neighbours have lost at least 200k on their houses they'll never get that money back all we heard for years the country's booming it's booming yeah right it was going down big time.

imf is around the corner

senordingdong · 13-10-2010 02:25PM

Biggins wrote: »

Thats for sharing.

We've turned that many corners supposedly, we are going around the block in circles!

Too ****ing true!

I think it's a joke. I actually think Lenihan is taking the piss by saying this.
If I'm correct then this is thr fourth corner we've turned, so guess what....we're right back where we started!

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:28PM

we havent heard anything like this before, thats the point. standard and poors being positive about us is imo the best news on the economy in 2-3 years! this is not biffo or lenners looking for a soundbite...

if that news doesnt deserve its own thread in the spirit of positivity i dont know what does!

senordingdong · 13-10-2010 02:30PM

In fairness, about half way down, 'Mr. Beers' starts using the words 'we think'.

All seems like specualtion to me.

ANd what really pissed me off is that when things do recover, we can bet these emergency tax increases won't be lowered.

_feedback_ · 13-10-2010 02:31PM

Great news!

So I wont be up to me bollix in taxes now?

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:31PM

senordingdong wrote: »

Too ****ing true!

I think it's a joke. I actually think Lenihan is taking the piss by saying this.
If I'm correct then this is thr fourth corner we've turned, so guess what....we're right back where we started!

right mate - you stay angry.

and you're right, (if) lenihan said this he would be taking the piss and we would have come full circle. but he didnt, and (hopefully) we havent...

read the shaggin link ffs

Gunsfortoys · 13-10-2010 02:31PM

Look at all the jobs popping up as a result of this. Outstanding.

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:36PM

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Look at all the jobs popping up as a result of this. Outstanding.

elviscostello wrote: »

Great news!

So I wont be up to me bollix in taxes now?

lads, are ye planning on being alive in a couple of years? if so, you should really start thinking long term...

senordingdong wrote: »

In fairness, about half way down, 'Mr. Beers' starts using the words 'we think'.

All seems like specualtion to me.

ANd what really pissed me off is that when things do recover, we can bet these emergency tax increases won't be lowered.

when these same guys 'think' or 'speculate' we're doing badly, it costs the country hundreds of millions...the reverse is also true.

Biggins · 13-10-2010 02:37PM

Being honestly serious for a moment, I don't know what to believe any more...
The fine line between PR spin and what actually true has become very foggy as of late.

I note the agency and man that stated this latest (another!) corner comment after a visit from one of our ministers this week on his own PR trip.

So while I am trying to be hopeful for the sake of the country and its people, as the source of this comment might be partly from the influence of said minister having a nice chat with David Beers, I have to remain highly sceptical to be honest once again.

smash · 13-10-2010 02:38PM

I call shenanigans....

nice1franko · 13-10-2010 02:41PM

Nice try, Cowen.

username helped give it away

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:42PM

Biggins wrote: »

Being honestly serious for a moment, I don't know what to believe any more...
The fine line between PR spin and what actually true has become very foggy as of late.

I note the agency and man that stated this latest (another!) corner comment says this after a visit from one of our ministers this week on his own PR trip.

So while I am trying to be hopeful for the sake of the country and its people, as the source of this comment might be partly from the influence of said minister having a nice chat with David Beers, I have to remain highly sceptical to be honest once again.

thats how the world works biggins

if someone wants to sweet talk one of the most powerful institutions on this planet into telling the world that ireland's open for business and things are looking good i'm not going to stop them.

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:43PM

nice1franko wrote: »

Nice try, Cowen.

username helped give it away

*yawns*

this one's old...

_feedback_ · 13-10-2010 02:44PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

lads, are ye planning on being alive in a couple of years?

Are you threatening to kill me biffo? :eek:

smash · 13-10-2010 02:45PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

if someone wants to sweet talk one of the most powerful institutions on this planet into telling the world that ireland's open for business and things are looking good i'm not going to stop them.

Ireland has always been open for business, and it didn't get us out of the recession so far. In fact, businesses have left Ireland and gone to cheaper countries like Poland.

There's people sitting in their rapidly devaluing houses loosing jobs every day biting their nails at the thoughts of the next budget. I can't see how we've turned a corner at all.

gonedrinking · 13-10-2010 02:45PM

What are they basing this on? All the recent figures have shown the economy is doing worse than expected.

Biggins · 13-10-2010 02:46PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

thats how the world works biggins

if someone wants to sweet talk one of the most powerful institutions on this planet into telling the world that ireland's open for business and things are looking good i'm not going to stop them.

Me neither but I'd hope they are coming in on a true basis and understanding of the Irish prospects where they will have a stable future based on solid facts and ground - not just a questionable future based solely on a shaky foundation that might be just collapse shortly later, due to it being just spin.

orourkeda · 13-10-2010 02:47PM

We've turned the corner going forward

jimthemental · 13-10-2010 02:48PM

Best news in ages but we won't see it's effect (if any) it will have for at least 6 months. That will be way after we get bent over a barrel for the budget.

Biggins · 13-10-2010 02:49PM

orourkeda wrote: »

We've turned the corner going forward

Well Cowen's the head man so we're heading up his rear!

O' hell! Reverse, reverse quick!!! :eek:

thebigbiffo · 13-10-2010 02:49PM

elviscostello wrote: »

Are you threatening to kill me biffo? :eek:

nah - need you to contribute to recovery :cool:

orourkeda · 13-10-2010 02:52PM

Biggins wrote: »

Well Cowen's the head man so we're heading up his rear!

O' hell! Reverse, reverse quick!!! :eek:

Biffo' rectum isnt the place to be.

Gunsfortoys · 13-10-2010 02:53PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

lads, are ye planning on being alive in a couple of years? if so, you should really start thinking long term..

Think capital letters.

Biggins · 13-10-2010 02:55PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Biffo' rectum isnt the place to be.

O'... the thought of it. Yuck! :eek:

DeVore · 13-10-2010 02:56PM

ok, I didnt want to post this because people already seem to have convinced themselves that I'm wearing a full body Comedy Cowen suit but....

Mate of mine who I have known since school is the owner and director of one of the country's largest, if not THE largest renters of shop space. Think "Stephen's Green Shopping Centre", "Blanchardstown" "Nutgrove" sort of thing. Now in the last 2 years he said business has been pretty bad but in the last 6 months, its picked up to the point where they have little to nothing left on their books to rent.

Now, I'm no economist and I'm pretty sure we will need lube for the next budget but I cant help thinking that a lot of the news is simply spin, both positive and negative.

The one thing recessions do, is create entrepreneurship. The reason people dont become their own bosses is two fold:
1. They are scared of the unknown and what the future would bring.
2. They are overly comfortable with their safe salaried desk job.

During a recession a lot of people find themselves without #2 and with few jobs going, there doesnt seem much reason not to give it a shot after all.

We need to fix the budget deficit, we need to sort out our political system cos its a mess, but I honestly dont think Ireland is in the gutter just yet. We wont have the lifestyle we have become accustomed to but whether that is a good or bad thing is another day's argument.

I like numbers, numbers dont lie (statistics on the other hand...).

DeV.

laugh · 13-10-2010 02:59PM

I turned a corner once, there was a big angry hungry looking Alsatian there.

Biggins · 13-10-2010 03:00PM

laugh wrote: »

I turned a corner once, there was a big angry hungry looking Alsatian there.

...But thats enough about my ex-wife...

Da dum... dishhh...

Ok, I suppose 'turned a corner' is over-used...

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