Scumbag sues Garda

Overheal · 09-10-2010 11:50PM

thebullkf wrote: »

i am methinks.

the evidence available to me is the DPP are bringing a case against a garda.

not the scumbag.

thats enough.

Well then perhaps it's a wonderful thing you're not a Judge or Jury.

thebullkf · 09-10-2010 11:51PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

How many of you who support police violence towards criminals by members of the gaurda support vigilantisim?

i doubt you'll get an answer-as i believe that people who support garda beatings don't see it as anything other than just desserts.

Overheal · 09-10-2010 11:51PM

thebullkf wrote: »

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are you for ****ing real?....

child abuse??

adoption???

south carolina?

Well when you want to mock the notion that anybody would try to charge their parents with assault, I rose the contrary.

huh?

Pre-empting a rebuttal that never happened.

thebullkf · 09-10-2010 11:51PM

Overheal wrote: »

Well then perhaps it's a wonderful thing you're not a Judge or Jury.

meaning?

J K · 09-10-2010 11:53PM

dvpower wrote: »

There have been a number of newspaper reports of some of the evidence presented so far in the court case. Some of it included direct quotes of evidence given in the court by witnesses.
To pretend that we don't know anything about what is going on in the trial is childish.

You may have sat in on the court case for all I know, I wasn't talking to you. I asked bulk did he hear the testimony. If someone said I have heard this witnesses testimony in full, I have then listened to him being cross examined. Then I would consider that they were aware of one witnesses evidence. The jury hear this for all witnesses. Having listened to legal arguments from both counsels the Judge also directs the jury on several maters including what weight to give to various evidence. If your telling me that a newspaper substitutes for this due process then lets shut down the courts.
On this thread you're not even talking about him exceeding the minimum force to effect an arrest. You're talking about some sort of orchestrated punishment beating on the roadside. You're also saying that it is common practice for this to happen in the garda. You are taking this as fact you say because you read it in a newspaper. I won't argue with your conclusions or opinion, you are entitled to them of course, but I would question the soundness or method of how you got there.

J K · 09-10-2010 11:56PM

thebullkf wrote: »

the evidence available to me is the DPP are bringing a case against a garda..

Lawyers in the Office of the DPP will refiew an investigation file. They decide if there is eneugh of a case that it is suitable to be heard in court to determine the guilt of the accused. They make no determination of his guilt. They haven’t for example heard the cross examining of the witnesses to determine degree of credibility of each witness. In a court room skilled Lawyers from both sides who have researched the case over time debate key legal interpretations and the Judge adjudigates on these Legal points. A jury deliberates on what they’ve heard and it is they and they alone who decide when a person is guilty.

steddyeddy · 09-10-2010 11:58PM

thebullkf wrote: »

i doubt you'll get an answer-as i believe that people who support garda beatings don't see it as anything other than just desserts.

I know that man just wanted to point out the double standard.

goat2 · 10-10-2010 12:02AM

the person who said he witnessed this, has 113 convictions, this is the witness , who would beleive someone with 113 convictions, people like these hate the garda and would do anything to upset them, hoping to see the garda lose his job,

Overheal · 10-10-2010 12:10AM

goat2 wrote: »

the person who said he witnessed this, has 113 convictions, this is the witness , who would beleive someone with 113 convictions, people like these hate the garda and would do anything to upset them, hoping to see the garda lose his job,

The justice system doesn't work like that. And besides, if Gary whatshisface with 113 previous convictions is making a fabrication, it will be unearthed in cross-examination. You have to be open to accepting the fact however, that he could very well be telling the truth.

thebullkf · 10-10-2010 12:11AM

J K wrote: »

You may have sat in on the court case for all I know, I wasn't talking to you. I asked bulk did he hear the testimony. If someone said I have heard this witnesses testimony in full, I have then listened to him being cross examined. Then I would consider that they were aware of one witnesses evidence. The jury hear this for all witnesses. Having listened to legal arguments from both counsels the Judge also directs the jury on several maters including what weight to give to various evidence. If your telling me that a newspaper substitutes for this due process then lets shut down the courts.

sigh. i haven't heard any evidence. i'm only going by the article ie the evidence available to us {whether credible or not}

On this thread you're not even talking about him exceeding the minimum force to effect an arrest. You're talking about some sort of orchestrated punishment beating on the roadside.

who is?

You're also saying that it is common practice for this to happen in the garda

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kick up the arse,a slap,a box..or indeed a hiding is in fact common practice in my opinion and in my experience within the Gardaí.
i'm not anti gardaí quite the opposite.

You are taking this as fact you say because you read it in a newspaper. I won't argue with your conclusions or opinion, you are entitled to them of course, but I would question the soundness or method of how you got there.

relax. chill out.

even the thread title is inflammatory.

the main question on this forum seems to be that the majority (?)
feel that nothing short of severe beatings is what this scumbag deserves and furthemore they see the gardai guilty of nothing but doing a good job in this instance in smacking the suspect around.
would that be a fair repesentation so far?

Overheal · 10-10-2010 12:12AM

thebullkf wrote: »

the main question on this forum seems to be that the majority (?) feel that nothing short of severe beatings is what this scumbag deserves and furthemore they see the gardai guilty of nothing but doing a good job in this instance in smacking the suspect around.
would that be a fair repesentation so far?

Pretty much.

dvpower · 10-10-2010 12:26AM

J K wrote: »

You may have sat in on the court case for all I know, I wasn't talking to you. I asked bulk did he hear the testimony. If someone said I have heard this witnesses testimony in full, I have then listened to him being cross examined. Then I would consider that they were aware of one witnesses evidence. The jury hear this for all witnesses. Having listened to legal arguments from both counsels the Judge also directs the jury on several maters including what weight to give to various evidence. If your telling me that a newspaper substitutes for this due process then lets shut down the courts.

Firstly, the trial is ongoing. All of the evidence hasn't yet been presented, so, naturally enough, we don't know it.
Secondly, this is an internet discussion forum, disussing what we do know, based on the newspaper report linked to by the OP. They are the parameters. Nobody is calling for the judicial system to be disbanded (well, not me anyway). Any conclusions reached here aren't binding.:pac:

J K wrote: »

On this thread you're not even talking about him exceeding the minimum force to effect an arrest. You're talking about some sort of orchestrated punishment beating on the roadside. You're also saying that it is common practice for this to happen in the garda. You are taking this as fact you say because you read it in a newspaper. I won't argue with your conclusions or opinion, you are entitled to them of course, but I would question the soundness or method of how you got there.

Thirdly, the charges (assault and assult causing harm) are being brought against a single garda in this single instance. I don't know who said it was common for the gardai to beat people up; I didn't. I haven't come to any conclusions (because I haven't heard all of the evidence in this ongoing trial).

Beetleman · 10-10-2010 11:38AM

dvpower wrote: »

Firstly, the trial is ongoing. All of the evidence hasn't yet been presented, so, naturally enough, we don't know it.
Secondly, this is an internet discussion forum, disussing what we do know, based on the newspaper report linked to by the OP. They are the parameters. Nobody is calling for the judicial system to be disbanded (well, not me anyway). Any conclusions reached here aren't binding.:pac:

Thirdly, the charges (assault and assult causing harm) are being brought against a single garda in this single instance. I don't know who said it was common for the gardai to beat people up; I didn't. I haven't come to any conclusions (because I haven't heard all of the evidence in this ongoing trial).

dvpower you seem to think you know everything about this trial i suggest yo get your facts straight before you start blobbering on this site just to let you know another garda has been on trial over this same case a few months ago and has been cleared of all allegations which im sure this guard will be too so cop yourself on and stop blameing the garda have you got any kids,brothers ,sisters etc if the 2 SCUMBAGS had to of knocked down and killed someone belonging to you would u be saying they didnt deserve a good battering i doubt it so get a grip of yourself and talk about something that u do know about cause u know nothing about this trial only what u see in the papers them 2 scumbags deserve to be hung and stop wasting tax payers money the garda is here to protect the innocent not the SCUM

MagicSean · 10-10-2010 11:46AM

Overheal wrote: »

The justice system doesn't work like that. And besides, if Gary whatshisface with 113 previous convictions is making a fabrication, it will be unearthed in cross-examination. You have to be open to accepting the fact however, that he could very well be telling the truth.

Why is someone in his twenties with 113 convictions not in prison? I think that is the real question here.

Beetleman · 10-10-2010 11:52AM

k_mac wrote: »

Why is someone in his twenties with 113 convictions not in prison? I think that is the real question here.

The reason for that is it costs the taxpayer €85,000 a year to keep someone in jail it would be far better and cheaper to hang the scumbags

thebullkf · 10-10-2010 11:59AM

Beetleman wrote: »

The reason for that is it costs the taxpayer €85,000 a year to keep someone in jail it would be far better and cheaper to hang the scumbags

or we could investigate why it costs 8 peoples yearly dole money to keep an ordinary prisoner under lock and key?

hanging is not the answer.
america has the death penalty=doesn't work.
3 strikes system doesn't work either.

what does work?

education-collaboration-communication.
thats what fuckin works,not incarceration.

k99_64 · 10-10-2010 12:08PM

thebullkf wrote: »

or we could investigate why it costs 8 peoples yearly dole money to keep an ordinary prisoner under lock and key?

hanging is not the answer.
america has the death penalty=doesn't work.
3 strikes system doesn't work either.

what does work?

education-collaboration-communication.
thats what fuckin works,not incarceration.

But in fairness there will always be some people that will never ad hear to laws, we do need a robust jail system too.

_feedback_ · 10-10-2010 12:15PM

Beetleman wrote: »

dvpower you seem to think you know everything about this trial i suggest yo get your facts straight before you start blobbering on this site just to let you know another garda has been on trial over this same case a few months ago and has been cleared of all allegations which im sure this guard will be too so cop yourself on and stop blameing the garda have you got any kids,brothers ,sisters etc if the 2 SCUMBAGS had to of knocked down and killed someone belonging to you would u be saying they didnt deserve a good battering i doubt it so get a grip of yourself and talk about something that u do know about cause u know nothing about this trial only what u see in the papers them 2 scumbags deserve to be hung and stop wasting tax payers money the garda is here to protect the innocent not the SCUM

Are you just coming in here and ripping apart single posts without reading the contributions that have come before?

All the things you have mentioned have been gone through time after time in this thread, so essentially you're not contributing anything, apart from shouting SCUM.

I/We know they are scum, that is not what this is all about.

archer22 · 10-10-2010 12:34PM

k99_64 wrote: »

But in fairness there will always be some people that will never ad hear to laws, we do need a robust jail system too.

In fairness I think you will agree that this should apply to everybody,including members of the Gardai.

steddyeddy · 10-10-2010 01:52PM

The name of this thread should be scumbag sues thugs

dvpower · 10-10-2010 05:40PM

Beetleman wrote: »

dvpower you seem to think you know everything about this trial i suggest yo get your facts straight before you start blobbering on this site

I just know what's been reported in the media, but if my facts about this trial are wrong maybe you can educate me.

Beetleman wrote: »

just to let you know another garda has been on trial over this same case a few months ago and has been cleared of all allegations

That would be a different trial then. I thought you were going to get my facts straight about this trial.

Beetleman wrote: »

which im sure this guard will be too

You're not sure. Do you realise how silly it is for you to to be telling me to get my facts straight in a post where you go on to say you are sure about the outcome of a trial that is ongoing.

Beetleman wrote: »

so cop yourself on and stop blaming the garda

I have never blamed the garda. I've said over and over again that I don't know if he is guilty or not. As a purveyor of facts, you're not doing a great job here.:rolleyes:

Beetleman wrote: »

have you got any kids,brothers ,sisters etc if the 2 SCUMBAGS had to of knocked down and killed someone belonging to you would u be saying they didnt deserve a good battering i doubt it

What have my personal experiences got to do with this trial?

If my entire family were mown down by a car thief it wouldn't change the outcome of this trial.

Beetleman wrote: »

so get a grip of yourself and talk about something that u do know about cause u know nothing about this trial only what u see in the papers

That's what I keep saying. I only know what's been reported. Do you know more about this trial that hasn't been reported in the media?

Beetleman wrote: »

them 2 scumbags deserve to be hung and stop wasting tax payers money the garda is here to protect the innocent not the SCUM

Seemingly you do (or you imagine you do).

Einhard · 10-10-2010 05:46PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The name of this thread should be scumbag sues thugs

No, it should be "After considering all the evidence available to him, the DPP decided to bring a prosecutuion against a member of the GS, whose guilt or innocence will be determined in a court of law by a jury of his peers."

Rabble Rabble · 10-10-2010 06:17PM

If I was on this Jury I would totally and absolutely nullify, regardless of evdience. Obviously the Garda in question was possibly a bit over-enthusiastic, but unless he left the scummer with permanent damage I dont really see the major problem here. Its not as if this happened in a South American dictatorship where police do to that to random strangers, the alleged abuse happened after a ten man police chase against scummers who were, otherwise, going to kill real useful citizens, were they not stopped. Could have been me, Could have been you.

Were I on the Jury I would acquit regardless.

Rabble Rabble · 10-10-2010 06:20PM

thebullkf wrote: »

or we could investigate why it costs 8 peoples yearly dole money to keep an ordinary prisoner under lock and key?

hanging is not the answer.
america has the death penalty=doesn't work.
3 strikes system doesn't work either.

what does work?

education-collaboration-communication.
thats what fuckin works,not incarceration.

FFS, what does that even mean? Send a junkie to a hug-farm and they will be lovely? They spent about 14 years at school, like the rest of us.

citizen_p · 10-10-2010 06:22PM

this is obvoiously a lad that "knows his way around the fookin syst-em" becuase his mate told him a bull**** story.

had mates like that in school who taught, "they cant give me detention if they only have me on camera smoking, i could just say it was cold out sure, cos they didn' see the fag", im still friends with him.

thebullkf · 10-10-2010 06:33PM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

If I was on this Jury I would totally and absolutely nullify, regardless of evdience. Obviously the Garda in question was possibly a bit over-enthusiastic, but unless he left the scummer with permanent damage I dont really see the major problem here. Its not as if this happened in a South American dictatorship where police do to that to random strangers, the alleged abuse happened after a ten man police chase against scummers who were, otherwise, going to kill real useful citizens, were they not stopped. Could have been me, Could have been you.

Were I on the Jury I would acquit regardless.

great. excellent input there. jeebus i hope you never gat called for jury duty.

Pendrago · 10-10-2010 06:34PM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Quoting the article would have been a good idea too, just so I didn't have to visit another site to read what you're on about and then come back here to reply :P

The Gardai aren't allowed to beat down prisoners or refuse medical attention if requested. It's one of those things you know might happen and possibly feel no sympathy for the victim but it isn't allowed. These are just allegations though, there's no talk of evidence apart from the victim's word which is most likely untrustworthy given he's got a long record.

If it did happen then the Garda needs to be sanctioned.

I find it strange that he can't identify his attacker, yet only one Garda is up for assault

Ah yes, another politically correct liberal. What should have happened to the gouger: Fúck him and his mate into the river they tried so hard to avoid, hang around to make sure that the little ****s are good and dead, then go back to the station for a cuppa.....job well done

thebullkf · 10-10-2010 06:35PM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

FFS, what does that even mean? Send a junkie to a hug-farm and they will be lovely? They spent about 14 years at school, like the rest of us.

yeah thats what it means.:rolleyes:

junkie??

what do you mean?

though judging by your acquittal comment, don't bother.

thebullkf · 10-10-2010 06:37PM

Pendrago wrote: »

Ah yes, another politically correct liberal. What should have happened to the gouger: Fúck him and his mate into the river they tried so hard to avoid, hang around to make sure that the little ****s are good and dead, then go back to the station for a cuppa.....job well done

welcome to boards-great introduction:rolleyes:

Pendrago · 10-10-2010 07:10PM

thebullkf wrote: »

welcome to boards-great introduction:rolleyes:

Well, thanks, although I have been browsing the boards for the past 4 years, this is the first time I've actually been driven to sign up to post.

Lets wait for the next time these pair of gougers get hooked up or liquored up and take off down the Quays at top speed in their next stolen car....How many lives were at risk the first time they did this, not counting the chasing cops? Who's child/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/brother/sister etc etc will be crossing that street?

Scumbag sues Garda

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