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Irish arcade machine builders

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    keithgeo wrote: »
    I do have one quick question though that might affect that, whats the legality of running mame on these?

    Unless your using a public domain rom, your meant to own the pcb's of any rom/s you use in Mame. It's undoubtadly there to cover the MameDev team legally & I would imagine it's largely ignored. Use free public roms to demo the cab on your site if you want to be really safe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,486 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I've seen a couple of MAME cabs in arcades over the years. Downloading roms of PCBs you don't own is breaking copywrite laws.

    However, who's going to police it? The Gardaí don't exactly have a videogame copywrite devision. And even if they did, they would be more concerned with modern consoles than 20 year old arcade games.

    It's something similar to taping things off the television. Technically you're breaking copywrite law, but nobody really cares.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I've seen a couple of MAME cabs in arcades over the years.

    Now that would bother me, thats just greed personified. Raking it in for using Mame? Thats bad :mad:

    As you said though, for personal use, nobody really gives a damn :pac:


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    well id be more worried about the fact the games companys are supplying us with review copys of games for the site! I dont want to kill off the relationships ive built up there. anyone recomend a game that wont break this copyright i can use as an example during the process.


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    As far as i can gather there's no real interest from anybody in power in stopping any private individual from using roms for personal, non commercial use. It's only in cases where somebody is making money off them that development houses and publishers would sit up and take an interest, ie selling mame cabinets full of unlicensed roms for profit without giving the original publisher a cut of the readies.

    There's also a counter argument that these roms and their widespread availability recently have directly led to a resurgence in some types of classic games, and are partly responsible for success of their modern sequels and new profits for their owners. For example, the street fighter series has become a cash cow again for capcom recently, after more than 10 years in the commercial wilderness, but it's been played online constantly by a dedicated hardcore of nostalgic fans since it was out of the arcades. It only recently made the jump to 100% legitimate online platforms like XBL or PSN, but it had been played on emulators with roms for ages before that was viable, and many argue that's what kept it alive as a series at all.

    I think most people would agree that as long as it's for private home use, and no money is changing hands you're absolutely grand using roms, but if you're not sure there are a handful of copyright-free roms that anybody can use available from the official mame website below. None of them are very good, but at least they're kosher if you're putting a history of your project on the web and don't want to step on anyone's toes.

    http://mamedev.org/roms/

    By the way, speaking of playing stuff online, just in case you weren't aware, a lot of emulators now have online matchup features built in. It's not something a lot of the cab building guides or project websites tend to mention because of the rom copyright issues etc. but if somebody was not too worried about all that stuff they could make a really cool cab that was wi-fi enabled and could play 2 player games against people over the net on it very easily. If i was building another cab it's definitely something i'd look into ;).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭nacimroc


    Sorry to harp back to the TV / Monitor issue, but I went in the middle of the 2 main ideas. I used a 25 inch normal old CRT TV (almost free everywhere and also gives the authentic look without all the hassle of messing with soft 15khz). All I did was get a $15 old graphics card on ebay with tv out (yellow phono jack) and plugged it into a scart lead! Done!

    I prefer a PC over jamma, just due to the fact that you can play every game for every console ever made (up to playstation 2). Jamma is alot easier to set up, but you are limited to arcade games which was an issue for me personally.

    Because I wanted games like mario kart and need for speed, I went with a U360 joystick. These cost about 50 quid+ each, but you can use analog. What this means is, if you move the joystick a little, it will move 'a little' on the screen which is perfect for driving games etc. With Jamma, they are microswitches, which means its on or off so this was another reason I went with a PC.

    That being said, it probably have cost me half the price to build if I just went the jamma route and when are thousands of games not enough for anyone :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Hi All,

    Going to start building a Mame cab. One thing I cant find much info on is the machine accepting coins for credits. Most people seem to have a "coin" button on their machine. Id like to have a coin slot where the player puts in coins just like in the arcade. So is it possible to do this? Im planning on building the actual cab from scratch with some MDF. I have a nice design done for the side art. Im thinking that an "Arcade VGA" card and a Wells Gardner screen are the way to go? What do you guys think? Ive noticed that the WG screens seem to be out of production, is there any alternitives out there? I wouldand settle for anything less than a 15htz screen. One other question, where wold be the best place to order the buttons, sticks ect from?

    Regards,

    Kid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Hi All,

    Going to start building a Mame cab. One thing I cant find much info on is the machine accepting coins for credits. Most people seem to have a "coin" button on their machine. Id like to have a coin slot where the player puts in coins just like in the arcade. So is it possible to do this? Im planning on building the actual cab from scratch with some MDF. I have a nice design done for the side art. Im thinking that an "Arcade VGA" card and a Wells Gardner screen are the way to go? What do you guys think? Ive noticed that the WG screens seem to be out of production, is there any alternitives out there? I wouldand settle for anything less than a 15htz screen. One other question, where wold be the best place to order the buttons, sticks ect from?

    Regards,

    Kid.

    It would work but you'd need to buy an arcade coin mech. It sends a signal to a pin on the jamma connector when its verified the coin. I thought they coded Mame in such a way that it wouldn't function with mechs, but in my Tekken 3 cab the coin mech works perfectly with Mame. The novelty does wear off so I've set the coin function to also work when P1 start and P1 button 1 are pressed together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭PaulieBoy


    Hi All,

    Going to start building a Mame cab. One thing I cant find much info on is the machine accepting coins for credits. Most people seem to have a "coin" button on their machine. Id like to have a coin slot where the player puts in coins just like in the arcade. So is it possible to do this?
    Regards,

    Kid.
    I got my coin mech from here : http://www.happcontrols.com/
    Cheap enough, and worth it IMHO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    PaulieBoy wrote: »
    I got my coin mech from here : http://www.happcontrols.com/
    Cheap enough, and worth it IMHO.


    Wow I think I could get everything from this site, thanks! Some nice monitors there. Ill be sure to post pics up as I progress...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I've used Happcontrols a few times with good results. The shipping on a screen would be horrific though, contact Mitchomagic & enquire if he can get you one. He's our local arcade machine man, & sells on adverts also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    EnterNow wrote: »
    I've used Happcontrols a few times with good results. The shipping on a screen would be horrific though, contact Mitchomagic & enquire if he can get you one. He's our local arcade machine man, & sells on adverts also.

    Will do, thanks. Is it true the Wells Gardner have stopped producing CRT screens? I find this distressing if there is nobody else making arcade screens...


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    I seen one machine with a coin mech on that had switches behind the lighted up "insert coins" buttons. so when the buttons where pressed in (as in to return your coin) they hit the switches and started a 1 player game.

    Right, ive fully decided on going with a Mame, I talked to a carpenter friend i know and we are starting on the cab next week!

    Im going to buy an old tv and a graphics card for the pc. Can anyone recomend a card that will allow me to hook up the tv?

    Im going to mess around with xp the weekend and and see what needs to be done to customize the boot up etc to block out xp stuff and boot straight into mame.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 alandel2001


    keithgeo wrote: »
    I seen one machine with a coin mech on that had switches behind the lighted up "insert coins" buttons. so when the buttons where pressed in (as in to return your coin) they hit the switches and started a 1 player game.

    Right, ive fully decided on going with a Mame, I talked to a carpenter friend i know and we are starting on the cab next week!

    Im going to buy an old tv and a graphics card for the pc. Can anyone recomend a card that will allow me to hook up the tv?

    Im going to mess around with xp the weekend and and see what needs to be done to customize the boot up etc to block out xp stuff and boot straight into mame.

    Sounds sweet. I can't wait to read about all the ins and outs of what you need to do. I'm thinking of building a cab myself, so any info you gain along the way would be appreciated.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    Theres plenty of info out there on the web already, but ill try my best to make it easy and step by step. My first time though! ill be documenting it over on gamersireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 alandel2001


    keithgeo wrote: »
    Theres plenty of info out there on the web already, but ill try my best to make it easy and step by step. My first time though! ill be documenting it over on gamersireland

    Yeah, I posted a really good guide I found a few weeks ago, but the guy bought his cabinet. I think probably the biggest hurdles in doing something like this are actually putting the wood for the cab and the control panel together, then wiring up the control panel. It's all downhill after that. So, it would be nice to read a guide that goes into lots of detail on the first few steps especially. Will keep an eye out for your updates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    keithgeo wrote: »
    I seen one machine with a coin mech on that had switches behind the lighted up "insert coins" buttons. so when the buttons where pressed in (as in to return your coin) they hit the switches and started a 1 player game.

    Right, ive fully decided on going with a Mame, I talked to a carpenter friend i know and we are starting on the cab next week!

    Im going to buy an old tv and a graphics card for the pc. Can anyone recomend a card that will allow me to hook up the tv?

    Im going to mess around with xp the weekend and and see what needs to be done to customize the boot up etc to block out xp stuff and boot straight into mame.

    Keep us posted, starting myself soon


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    Will do, here is my opening intro for it on the site http://www.gamersireland.ie/?p=7798 now there are no details in that on how im doing it or anything its just an introduction, I plan on adding all links to each step in there to keep it all in one place.


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    keithgeo wrote: »
    I seen one machine with a coin mech on that had switches behind the lighted up "insert coins" buttons.......Im going to mess around with xp the weekend and and see what needs to be done to customize the boot up etc to block out xp stuff and boot straight into mame.

    I think you can get coin mechs that are just leaf microswitches that you can wire into an ipac and set as your 1p coin button. You could also look into just setting mame on freeplay, I think there's a setting for it somewhere.

    Be very careful fiddling with your boot sector on your OS. You can brick your computer very easily. There are programs you can use to do it but make sure you know what you're at. It's a good tradeoff to just streamline xp, switch off all the extra background crap, and stick mame in the startup folder with a custom theme on the desktop and the icons switched off.

    My cab just goes from the xp boot load screen straight to a black theme I created and auto loads mame (no login, password etc). Setup correctly it takes under 30 seconds to cold boot. Alternatively, you always have the option of just setting the power button to make XP hibernate instead of shut down. It will wake up straight into mame if you do that, and only take a fraction of that time.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    ah yeh its no bothers, i work in IT for a big company in Ireland the last 12 years, I know my way around a computer so shouldnt be too much hassle. Ill prob change the winxp boot logo and bar to something else then strip down windows to autologin etc. cheers!


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    sorry just read the rest of your post, i think a lot of BIOS have a setting that will turn on a pc when it recieves power so you dont even have to press the button. Plug Monitor, PC etc into a power Block, one cable out the back and when you plug in it should come on, mind you ive yet to look at my pcs bios to see if it has this setting


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    keithgeo wrote: »
    ah yeh its no bothers, i work in IT for a big company in Ireland the last 12 years, I know my way around a computer so shouldnt be too much hassle. Ill prob change the winxp boot logo and bar to something else then strip down windows to autologin etc. cheers!

    You sound like you might work for the same company i do, heheheh, that'd be ironic. No worries then, if you have the know how you can change the xp boot logo handy enough. All you need is the right low resolution image files from photoshop or wherever. Go for something along the lines of a mame logo or whatever matches your paintjob, etc.

    On a related note, if i was building another cab, i would be thinking about the look of the emulator software i'm intending to use around the stage you're at now, so that i could tie the boot modifications, artwork and paintjob, and GUI all together and make them all look like they're part of the same plan. Are you planning to use Mame32 or the command line version? With the command line version there are loads of different open source front ends out there that you can customise to match the look of your cab. You can do cool stuff like changing colours, layouts, and playing video clip previews of your games in a little window as you scroll through them. If you put a bit of thinking into your overall plan at this stage, before you start woodworking and painting it can help things look very polished down the line.

    I used MALA (http://www.malafe.net/index.php?page=usercabs) but there are lots of other good ones out there. It adds a bit of drain to your system resources, it's a fair bit heavier than running mame on it's own so you'll need a slightly better spec PC, but it can really make a difference to the finished look and feel of your cab.
    keithgeo wrote: »
    i think a lot of BIOS have a setting that will turn on a pc when it recieves power so you dont even have to press the button.

    yep, like you said, this depends on your MOBO, some machines can do it. The one i used didn't unfortunately, but you also have the option of cracking open your PC case and wiring up an ordinary button like the ones you're using on the control panel to the power button to switch it on and off. This looks cool and you can do a lot of stuff in windows power management to decide what happens when you press it. My cab's got a button mounted on the side that sleeps and wakes the cab when i hit it.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    I have been looking at the front ends all right and funnily enough have been leaning towards mala myself. It looks the best out of them. Can you recomend a pc spec i should be using?

    I have a 2.6ghz P4 with 1gig of memory and a 160gb hard disk at the minute.

    I was planning on just making my own bootimage i dont really like the mame ones ive seen on the internet, i want to give it a kind of retro feel so i was thinking of just some sort of arcade style font text saying something like

    Graphics.... Check
    Sound....... Check

    and some other stuff under there.

    I like the idea of pressing the button to turn on the pc! Do you use a tv in your cab or what do you have in there, im curious as to how you get the tv to turn on, is it a remote control job?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    keithgeo wrote: »
    ...have been leaning towards mala myself. It looks the best out of them. Can you recomend a pc spec i should be using?

    I have a 2.6ghz P4 with 1gig of memory and a 160gb hard disk at the minute.

    You'll be grand with that spec. The machine i used was an old 1.3 pentium with 512 RAM, and it ran mala but fairly sluggishly until i upped the ram. Your spec is twice mine, so can't see any issues.
    keithgeo wrote: »
    I like the idea of pressing the button to turn on the pc! Do you use a tv in your cab or what do you have in there, im curious as to how you get the tv to turn on, is it a remote control job?

    Just a normal 17 inch CRT monitor on the PC, that gets it's mains power from the back of the tower unit, so just one mains plug for the lot. It's set to come on automatically when the PC comes on. My cab is a 3/4 size so i didn't have to bother with a large screen or a TV, the 17 inch fit it perfectly, which made things a lot simpler to set up.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    great thanks, i was a bit worried about the spec, i need to get a graphics card i think that the tv can hook into.

    edit: and a tv .. hahha..


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    can i connect a tv with a scart connection to the pc or do i need a tv with svideo or seomthing on the back? I just need some advice on the tv and graphics card i need if anyone has any experience with it. Im definatly going with a tv not an arcade monitor or lcd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭nacimroc


    http://cgi.ebay.com/Nvidia-GeForce-FX-5600-256MB-AGP-Graphics-Card-w-TV-Out-/390241914205?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item5adc3b0d5d#ht_2480wt_1139

    Something like this should work fine! Any old graphics card with tv out! (That one is AGP not PCI just to be aware)

    You should download software which uses lower resolutions than normal graphics cards natively offer e.g. 480x600 or lower etc!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭sham69


    Picture wasnt great when I used s-video out on my setup.
    I ended up getting a vga-scart cable from a german site.
    Its spot on, very close to arcade monitor quality.
    I think it cost 20 euro, I can send you the link if you need it.
    That said , s video might do you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭CathalDublin


    dont use TV out on your graphics card, for best results go straight from vga to scart(RGB) and use something like soft 15
    If you need a hand making the cable pm me

    http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/


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