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Woops! Minister lets slip a potential €4.3 billion in savings

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  • #62
    LevelSpirit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭LevelSpirit


    dunsandin wrote: »
    So you are saying that I will have to raise my prices to my clients to cover the extra expense, fair enough. How does that affect me? This is getting sillier by the minute. You are argueing high finance from a PAYE mindset. And you guys have the solution to our economic problems!!!! Good luck with that. I'm going nowhere, I will just end up owning more - I'm on the other side, in a recession, I do better, in a boom, I do worse, but still pretty good.

    You're not the brightest spark. That statement is just laughable on so many levels. Go back to business 101 and come back when you've figured it out.


  • #63
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Irish sovereign debt riskier than Iraq's - report :eek::eek::eek:

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101007/tts-uk-sovereign-ireland-cds-ca02f96.html


  • #64
    KINGVictor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭KINGVictor


    Grimreaper666 wrote: »
    I for one, won't be holding my breath. RTE is only a mouthpiece for FF spin. I wouldn't believe a word they have to say ever again.

    But the fact is the RTE report on innovation shows that an indigenous Irish company created a software that is creating value in a country's paramedic responce to emergencies...that is not a spin..it is a fact!!

    There have been policy failures..no doubt!...but have you considered the positives and extraploted the benefits for Ireland.

    Its not just about critisising, it will be nice to offer solutions as well.


  • #65
    LevelSpirit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭LevelSpirit


    Grimreaper666 wrote: »
    It has to be said that some posters only come on here to discredit people with valid points. It looks like FF has it's own little network of spindoctors on here talking a serious amount of sh!te. I'd hate to be on a sinking ship with ye lot, ye'd be partying on as the ship sinks but no doubt FF will look after ye too.

    In case you havent noticed we are al on a sinking ship with them.
    No point in sitting back saying "I didnt put the hole in the ship, so im not helping to pump out the water".
    Make FF and their green lapdogs walk the plank. But you still have to man the pumps.


  • #66
    dunsandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭dunsandin


    LevelSpirit wrote: »
    I think you'll find it will make more of a dent in the deficit than the pussyfooting around that is going on now.

    Well spotted though. We are in a recession. Recessions dont last forever. Really - they dont.
    Your right, they don't last forever. I have been through a few, and I know they don't last, but a lot don't. The laugh is that now the Irish people want nothing to do with property. Heres the news. Now is the time to buy property. When the arse really falls out of it in six months will be even better. You have to realise that to many people, a recession is when they get rich. Things are cheap. BUT, they govt will shaft the average joe to ensure the big guys don't lose out. In the late 90's, I got out of the UK recession by a whisker, and made an absolute killing, so I LOVE recessions. But I am aware enough to know that they are a catastropy for the man in the street who does not know how to cope. I am a coper, but I hate seeing the Gvt rob the people to benefit their buddies - they are not robbing me, they are robbing you. You need to open your eyes.


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  • #67
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    KINGVictor wrote: »

    Its not just about critisising, it will be nice to offer solutions as well.

    Good point. Listened recently to a bloke who started another company to manufacture a product here, instead of importing from the far east.


  • #68
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    squod wrote: »
    Good point. Listened recently to a bloke who started another company to manufacture a product here, instead of importing from the far east.

    And?


  • #69
    dunsandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭dunsandin


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    As have been many statements.... there is a very clear distinction between reality and cuckoo land in this thread
    On my facebook page there's a picture of my Home. It pretty much answers anything you can spin at me.


  • #70
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    dunsandin wrote: »
    On my facebook page there's a picture of my Home. It pretty much answers anything you can spin at me.

    Post the link... let us see your achievement...


  • #71
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    And?

    FFS. We're in a recession, as is most of Europe. The huge volumes produced in the far east have dropped off and for some products the cost of manufacture has risen accordingly.
    For some it's as cost effective to manufacture here as import goods from abroad.( My 'you're Ireland, you're call' idea BTW.)


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  • #72
    LETHAL LADY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Unfortunately looks like no matter what your position is employed, unemployed, public sector or private sector, old or young these elite as they like to call themselves are going to inflict years of pain on us all. It might be crap this year but it will continue to be crap for many years to come. These so called public representatives have failed the people they were elected to represent with their arrogance and ineptness and on that basis I call for a revolution.:mad:


  • #73
    Grimreaper666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    KINGVictor wrote: »
    But the fact is the RTE report on innovation shows that an indigenous Irish company created a software that is creating value in a country's paramedic responce to emergencies...that is not a spin..it is a fact!!

    There have been policy failures..no doubt!...but have you considered the positives and extraploted the benefits for Ireland.

    Its not just about critisising, it will be nice to offer solutions as well.

    From what I can see it's only very specialised companies are making money in this climate not run of the mill businesses. I would say the ratio is about one specialised for every hundred or so run of the mill businesses. We only hear about the one specialised one and not the other hundred, who are the back bone of the country and are in dire straights due to the banks pulling the plug on them and the high costs in this country.


  • #74
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Unfortunately looks like no matter what your position is employed, unemployed, public sector or private sector, old or young these elite as they like to call themselves are going to inflict years of pain on us all. It might be crap this year but it will continue to be crap for many years to come. These so called public representatives have failed the people they were elected to represent with their arrogance and ineptness and on that basis I call for a revolution.:mad:

    Your right, they have been absolute wreckless idiots... nobody I think disagrees with that... but the recovery plan is sound, and needs to be implemented fully eg NAMA, if we are going to recover


  • #75
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    Your right, they have been absolute wreckless idiots... nobody I think disagrees with that... but the recovery plan is sound, and needs to be implemented fully eg NAMA, if we are going to recover

    That's another <insert bold word> statement. The people who made these decisions were some of the most intelligent and best educated people you could find. Who had some of the most expensive advisers in the world looking after them. Seriously, you'd have to be kidding with that statement. They knew what they were doing.


  • #76
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    but the recovery plan is sound
    So sound the ratings groups keep downgrading us. Brilliant plan, there.


  • #77
    dunsandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭dunsandin


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    Your right, they have been absolute wreckless idiots... nobody I think disagrees with that... but the recovery plan is sound, and needs to be implemented fully eg NAMA, if we are going to recover
    Are you Brian Lenihan, Brian, Is it yourself?????


  • #78
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    So sound the ratings groups keep downgrading us. Brilliant plan, there.

    It doesn't happen overnight ffs... please sit in the corner facing the wall... you'd be more intellectual after that I'd bet... that opinion has descredited you, congrats!!


  • #79
    LETHAL LADY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    Your right, they have been absolute wreckless idiots... nobody I think disagrees with that... but the recovery plan is sound, and needs to be implemented fully eg NAMA, if we are going to recover

    Im going slightly off the point here but answer me this question, my 5 yr old son came home today with a high vis vest given to him in school as part of an NRA programme to teach kids to cross the road safely and obviously be seen then I saw the the manufacturers label made completely in the U.K. and I reckon this scheme is nationwide. So basically why are we as a country probably paying a fortune to have high vis vests made for kids who do not need them. I bring my son to the bus stop every morning and collect him when he gets home hes in primary school so tisnt pitch dark when he travels to school anyway. Why if its an initative for our country are these vests not being made in Ireland.


  • #80
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    It doesn't happen overnight ffs... please sit in the corner facing the wall... you'd be more intellectual after that I'd bet... that opinion has descredited you, congrats!!
    Listen champ, communicate back to party HQ that the positions of Messrs Lenihan, Cowen and company in the history books is secure. They will be writ large in the history of this and all nations as an outstanding example of how not to govern a country. And they'll be joined in the gallery by all of the civil servants and bankers who felt that looking out for number one was more important than looking after their responsibilities. And when NAMA is pulled down around their ears, I hope they remember they heard it here first.


  • #81
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Im going slightly off the point here but answer me this question, my 5 yr old son came home today with a high vis vest given to him in school as part of an NRA programme to teach kids to cross the road safely and obviously be seen then I saw the the manufacturers label made completely in the U.K. and I reckon this scheme is nationwide. So basically why are we as a country probably paying a fortune to have high vis vests made for kids who do not need them. I bring my son to the bus stop every morning and collect him when he gets home hes in primary school so tisnt pitch dark when he travels to school anyway. Why if its an initative for our country are these vests not being made in Ireland.

    Answer me this: Do you have the cost for this project? How do you know it wasn't paid for years ago? And you seem to think that you don't want these vests, which puts your child more at risk


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  • #82
    Grimreaper666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Im going slightly off the point here but answer me this question, my 5 yr old son came home today with a high vis vest given to him in school as part of an NRA programme to teach kids to cross the road safely and obviously be seen then I saw the the manufacturers label made completely in the U.K. and I reckon this scheme is nationwide. So basically why are we as a country probably paying a fortune to have high vis vests made for kids who do not need them. I bring my son to the bus stop every morning and collect him when he gets home hes in primary school so tisnt pitch dark when he travels to school anyway. Why if its an initative for our country are these vests not being made in Ireland.

    Not only that but our government are out sourcing printing, among other things, to nothern Ireland, the UK and Spain instead of keeping the business in Ireland, even if it is more expensive they'll get it back in taxes and VAT anyway.


  • #83
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Im going slightly off the point here but answer me this question, my 5 yr old son came home today with a high vis vest given to him in school as part of an NRA programme to teach kids to cross the road safely and obviously be seen then I saw the the manufacturers label made completely in the U.K. and I reckon this scheme is nationwide. So basically why are we as a country probably paying a fortune to have high vis vests made for kids who do not need them. I bring my son to the bus stop every morning and collect him when he gets home hes in primary school so tisnt pitch dark when he travels to school anyway. Why if its an initative for our country are these vests not being made in Ireland.

    Because the government, the UK & the NRA are all in cohoots together to try & get as many children as possible to walk to & from school in the dark & to get run over by cars in a bid to save money & help the economy.

    It's simple economics. We have to pay for NAMA some way.


  • #84
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Because the government, the UK & the NRA are all in cohoots together to try & get as many children as possible to walk to & from school in the dark & to get run over by cars in a bid to save money & help the economy.

    It's simple economics. We have to pay for NAMA some way.

    I think you should try the Conspiracy Theory forum... you might meet some new friends


  • #85
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    I think you should try the Conspiracy Theory forum... you might meet some new friends

    I already have lots of friend.


  • #86
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    I already have lots of friend.

    Bet you do...


  • #87
    Grimreaper666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    I think you should try the Conspiracy Theory forum... you might meet some new friends

    Obviously you're a regular there yourself...............


  • #88
    LETHAL LADY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Cmdr Keen wrote: »
    Answer me this: Do you have the cost for this project? How do you know it wasn't paid for years ago? And you seem to think that you don't want these vests, which puts your child more at risk

    Chill out Im just responding to your lets grin and bear it mantra tis a discussion after all. My question is do all children in primary school need high vis vests paid for by the NRA with government assistance that are made in the UK. This is a waste wouldnt it be far better to assist people in covering the real costs of having children in school like books uniforms etc.


  • #89
    dunsandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭dunsandin


    CMDR KEEN(Brian) would you ever have a word with Biffo, and tell him to pull his socks up, he is acting like a culchie bowsie, and we need a bit more from our leader - tell him that at your next cabinet meeting - and best of luck with the treatment(though don't you have better things to do than posting on boards, your portfolio:D and all that?


  • #90
    KINGVictor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭KINGVictor


    squod wrote: »
    That's another <insert bold word> statement. The people who made these decisions were some of the most intelligent and best educated people you could find. Who had some of the most expensive advisers in the world looking after them. Seriously, you'd have to be kidding with that statement. They knew what they were doing.

    That is a classic example of over simplification.

    So you think that being highly educated and surrounding yourself with the most knowledgable advisors will necessarily lead to zero-errors/mistakes....

    only occurs in lala land!!


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  • #91
    dunsandin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭dunsandin


    KINGVictor wrote: »
    That is a classic example of over simplification.

    So you think that being highly educated and surrounding yourself with the most knowledgable advisors will necessarily lead to zero-errors/mistakes....

    only occurs in lala land!!
    Or the private sector. Not Ireland Inc though. It's La La land meets Narnia at the mo.


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