Scumbag sues Garda

CorkMan wrote: »

Will you just shut the fu*k up. The scumbags should have been killed on the spot and flung into the liffey.

It was a complete mistake that they got here in the 1st place, old slapper Moma didn't have the education to use contraception, so unexpected scumbag Jimmy pops out (WHHHHAAAATTS DAT?)

Don't post in this thread again.

ihateclowns11 wrote: »

I agree,the guards are on a power trip as usuall,chances are they did beat the crap out off him,and he has every right to sue,i hope he wins his case.

If he wins his case then hopefully when he and his mates get wasted drinking and taking drugs all day on the back of the state settlement after it they won't mug you on the street and make s**t of your car when they crash it after the chase.

Garda only doing there job and they done a great one arrestin them two scum bags

They did a great job arresting him alright. It's what happened after that people have a problem with.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

FYP

We don't for sure what happened yet.

Much appreciated.

I don't want to go slandering anyone now do I?!;)

Although, as I noted earlier, the comments of the judge in the earlier trial of another garda accused in the matter, would seem to indicate that an assult did in fact take place.

Einhard wrote: »

Much appreciated.

I don't want to go slandering anyone now do I?!;)

Although, as I noted earlier, the comments of the judge in the earlier trial of another garda accused in the matter, would seem to indicate that an assult did in fact take place.

What comments were those? I'm genuinely asking, I think I missed them.

elviscostello wrote: »

Good point.

Want to answer the questions you ignored now?

What questions were they? I didn't ignore them, I must have missed them.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

What comments were those? I'm genuinely asking, I think I missed them.

The one where you intimated that I might have a criminal past. My life is not that exciting!!

dvpower wrote: »

The gardai arn't in the meting out of justice business. They are in the detection and investigation business. This important distinction I'd say is covered very early on in Templemore.

Unfortunately neither are the judiciary in this country as they seem to think everyone should be given chance after chance after chance to redeem themselves. The Gardai are allowed make recommendations on bail, etc which is generally ignored by the judge. remember the judge only sees whats brought in front of him with enough evidence to try and get a conviction, the Gardai know the things these guys are responsible for but have not enough proof to bring them to court. The attitude of the judges unfortunately is leading to a very frustrated police force which is fueling incidents like this.

dvpower wrote: »

This is a problem. I don't know exactly what the solution to it is, but I know it isn't to give individual gardai carte blanche to beat the crap out of suspects, which is seemingly what a lot of posters here want.

I certainly have never said that they should have carte blanche but my pity for Mr Maughan is somehwere between little and none. As I said in a previous post I have a nephew who got the crap beaten out of him by a Garda and I wasn't impressed, then I saw the little toe rag in action and I now think he pretty much deserved it. To arrest some of these fellas takes a lot of gladhanding and wrestling and to someone as souped up as Mr Maughan claims he was it could seem like an assault when all they are doing is trying to restrain him.

dvpower wrote: »

I'm with you on your pity for Mr Maughan. I could hardly case less about him. I have very little sympathy for him getting beaten up (if indeed he did).

That is not to say that the gardai should be allowed to beat him up; they aren't and they shouldn't.

But some of the posters here seem to equate opposition to the gardai beating someone up with support for the person who was (or not) beaten up. I try my best to explain, but some of them are beyond reasonable comprehension.

Personally I think that he wasn't assaulted in the true sense, he is quoted as saying they banged his head off the bonnet of the car, perfectly feasible as they restrain him in a struggle and pin him to the bonnet to cuff him, hes quoted as getting his head banged off the door of the "maria" when he was being put into it, again perfectly possible if he was still kicking up a struggle.

Then again, I am a supporter of Padraic Nally, just don't think he should have shot him the second time

There is way too much in this thread to reply to seperately, so i'm going to make one long post...

No one can make judgement in this case yet, as all the facts are not apparent. The DPP is prosecuting Gda Curtis on the suite of the Ombudsman on receipt of a complaint from JP Maughan. This complaint is based on allegations of assault and assault causing harm on the night of the chase. At the moment, thats exactly what they are; allegations. We don't know all the evidence, and won't until the case is nearly finished. Until then, we have a one sided story reported in the papers. In that story, Maughan does indeed admit to drinking and taking drugs all day, and does admit to, along with a friend, robbing the keys of a car from a drunk man and then going for a joy ride. Maughan was the passenger, but still fully accountable for his actions and for allowing himself to be carried in a stolen car. And then they intentionally looked for a chase, which was at high speed in a pedestrian heavy area.

Regular action of the Gardai after a chase has stopped is to surround the car, smash the windows to disorientate/distract the occupants (which is done with the batons to avoid injury, and in case the occupants have any weapons), and take them out through the windows (the door could be locked). I have never, ever heard of a drink and drug fuelled "person" hyped up on adrenaline after a chase and a crash putting his hands out to be arrested. Instinct on their behalf will be to struggle.

This is where people can stop finishing the story. We don't know what happened next. We have the story of a "scumbag" to put against... nothing. We don't have the Garda version of events. But we can start making our own assumptions. The injuries sustained by Maughan could be consistent with a car crash, or being pulled through a window. Maughan claims he was declined an ambulance, which he probably was, as the member in charge may have thought a doctor was enough, and he supplied this doctor who bandaged him up and obviously thought his injuries didn't need hospital treatment. Everything done according to the book as far as i can tell.

So maybe Maughan didn't get a beating, but maybe he did. However, he can't identify any of the Gardai who gave this alleged beating. I find it strange that there is only one Garda on trial for this when there are 10 alleged offenders. In any case of large scale fights where there are multiple offenders, unless one of the offenders can be identified by the injured party or independant witnesses, there is normally no case. This leads me to believe that there are independant witnesses or CCTV available, through which Garda Curtis was identified. Either that, or Garda Curtis was the member in charge and thus the only Garda who Maughan was able to identify. Who knows yet...

If he did receive the beating, was it justified? No, it never is. Was it moral? No, it never is. Did he deserve it? Yes, probably. There is no legal reason to this justification of deserving the beating, but Maughan self confessed to the events which lead up to this alleged beating, he admitted to being drink and drug fuelled, admitted to being passenger in a stolen car which he helped rob, possibly at knife point, a car which was driven dangerously in an area with a large amount of pedestrians. He's also giving his evidence admitting to having a long list of convictions, and was currently in custody for a street mugging while giving his evidence. It seems apparent this this Maughan individual is indeed a "scumbag", and that he may indeed have deserved the beating. Personally, i believe he did. But thats my personal opinion. And the reason follows:

The courts and justice system in this country are a joke. Career criminals are in and out like it's work they're going to. They get 6 months for a robbery and are back the following week, because of insufficient space in the prisons, and they're deemed least likely to reoffend. So they just laugh at the Gardai when they get caught, because they know no matter what happens, they'll either get a soft clueless judge who'll give them a suspended sentance because of their "poor" upbringing, or get a lenient sentance (i saw a 2 time in one year drink driver get a 3 year disqualification and €3700 fine reduced to 1 year and €100...), and they;ll be back out committing crimes in no time.

So i personally believe that, if people like Maughan, who the Gardai know are scum and simply that, scum, receive a beating it will do way more good than any sentance imposed (a sentance which could be gained or lost on a technicality anyway). And i'm not saying that Gardai should have free reign about who they beat, but more like a strike system, 3 strikes and you get a beating. Or bring back corporal punishment. But thats just my opinion.

Here's my opinion.... He was locked and off his face, nothing wrong with that.. He stole some guys car! Something wrong with that alrite, they drove the car while pissed and high, defo something wrong with that. They drove full speed down the quays endangering the public, something wrong with that alrite, they resisted arrest.......... If you ask me the guy was lucky he had the use of his arms and legs after the guards were finished with him, Total F*****G Scumbag and deserves everything he gets, even his attitude while speaking the the solicitor...... Throw away the key on the P***K!!!

And as for the guard in question, yeah by the book he did wrong... but thats a thieving scumbags word against his......