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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭Cows Go µ


    As someone who is relatively new here, I would say that I found it very easy to post here. Though I don't post a lot, I plan to in the future.

    Tbh, I like the Yaah and Arghh threads and the like, they are an easy way to get into the forum. People get used to seeing your name, get a sense of your personality and interests, and vice versa. Then, after you're comfortable you can start creating threads and the like. I haven't, but only because I haven't had a need to, anything I've wanted to say was suitable for other threads or if I had a specific problem, its answered on the rest of boards.ie. However I don't think I would have ever really had a problem with starting one myself. And if you do start a thread I'm sure everyone will welcome it and post away on it.

    This forum is fairly clique-y but its a nice clique. They are very welcoming and if you are nice, they will be nice back. I found them to be very inclusive and easy to talk to. I was lucky enough to know KnifeWRENCH before joining, he made me join in the first place but nearly everyone else has been just as nice.

    And this is coming from someone who is not only fairly new to posting here but also quite new to the whole forum thing in the first place, having only started posting in the college forum last year as my very first forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Another thing is you can only have a discussion thread if there's an interest in the subject. The Genius thread seems to be mostly about programming as there are a few popsters who are pretty experienced. A thread on vegetarianism gets quite a lot of replies because a few posters are vegetarians. Then on the other end of the scale you have the current affairs thread which died on its arse.

    Maybe it's because I joined up before this forum existed but I prefer to go into the relevant forum if I want to read/talk about a particular subject. Some of the newer posters don't seem to venture outside here too much though so there probably is the potential for some more debate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Sentineil


    CHAPTER 1 :D
    IO wrote:
    All constructive responses are welcome in this thread. I'm sorry if you feel my responses don't address what you'd like them to, but I am making every effort to give them the attention they deserve. This thread has been very effective in meeting the needs of the forum before, and I hope it continues to be. I take all feedback seriously, and try my best to use it to improve the quality of this forum. The problem currently under discussion had not been highlighted before now. As such, it could not be addressed. It's being addressed now because it has finally been brought to greater attention.

    I felt your response didn't address a point I made. You seem to believe that I'm complaining about the topics of discussion, and how they don't appeal to me. I never claimed this, and it's not my position.

    The point I've been trying to make is that there is no discussion, and that discussion is a great way to include newer members and get them involved in the forum.
    The problem being debated is that some new posters have found it difficult to engage with the forum, for various reasons. In your case, Sentineil, the problem is that there are no discussions that capture your attention, and you have not seen fit to begin discussions that would interest you. So far you have been the only person to have given first-hand feedback about this. That is not to say that nobody shares your problem, merely that I have no opinions besides yours to respond to directly. I have to ask, and I hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but if there is little about this forum that entices you to post, what makes you want to keep lurking and occasionally posting? Different people use this forum for different reasons, and I'd be very interested in finding out what it is that draws you into this one.

    Bold: Where is this coming from? As I said above, this isn't my position. If something I've said led you to think this, then I must apologise as it certainly wasn't my intention.

    As for why I'm here, the people are pleasant and friendly and within my own age bracket. Am I wrong in assuming that that's why everyone else is here?

    What makes you think I lurk either? I post when I have something to say. If I don't, I don't post.

    How did you get this:
    She made the point that some discussions have died off the front few pages because the regulars had said all they wanted to say about those particular topics. Unless new posters come along with different perspectives and viewpoints, they cannot be kept alive indefinitely.

    From this:
    Hotaru wrote:
    The reason why many of the regulars DON'T start discussion threads is because they've been around for the vast majority of the discussions thus far. They've expressed their view point, they've discussed, they've trawled through other viewpoints etc. etc. and then the thread generally fizzles off because everyone has discussed it as far as they can.

    I don't believe I've misrepresented anyone. I addressed what was said, as that's all I've got to go on.
    That is, once again, a gross misrepresentation of what was going on in that thread. We've had discussions about the merits of various diets before. That most recent thread about vegetarianism was to raise awareness of a particular occasion. My action on that thread was not to discourage debate, but rather to give a warning that excessive trolling, flaming and flame-baiting would not be tolerated. There is a very big difference between what you are suggesting and the actual reality of the situation.

    From what I remember you post was not to "spoil the thread". Maybe I'm wrong, but I read that as "don't post negatively about vegetarianism".
    Sorry if I'm misinterpreting the post, but perhaps it's a bit ambiguous?

    I'd like to put a nice conclusion here, but I seem to have a few more posts to deal with.

    ---I think a small intermission is needed here. This is getting long and I've Knifewrench to tackle now---

    @Knifewrench:

    Some of what you've said overlaps with Tommy, so I don't think I'm ignoring you if I don't address something which I've already covered.
    The fact that you're a new member shouldn't stop you. There have been threads started by newbies in the past that have gone well and added to the forum; why do you feel like this should be any different?

    New members starting threads in the past is simply anecdotal evidence. It doesn't add anything to your position because without knowing how many new members didn't start threads it doesn't have any relevance.
    If ANY member (old or new) wants to discuss something, then I think the onus IS on them tbh. You can't expect regulars to start discussions just for the sake of having a discussion. If a regular wants to discuss something, they start a thread. People respond. That's how forums work and this one is no different.

    They won't come here looking to talk about the environment or Somali pirates, but if they saw a thread they could happily join in. Having existing threads will encourage them to join in or start a thread on a topic they do want to discuss. Regulars shouldn't feel bad for not starting discussion, but discussion is a great way to involve everyone.
    If you want to start a general thread on vegetarianism, be my guest. I'm sure everyone here would be happy to contribute. If you'd rather be more acquainted to this forum before starting threads, PM me; I'd be happy to start that thread. I'm sure other regulars would too. But I just wanna stress that there is no reason why you should feel you can't start a discussion here just because you are a new member. The regulars here won't ignore you or dismiss you just because you're new. They're not like that (if they were, they'd get a stern talking to from the Mods.)

    I don't feel I can't start a thread here because I'm new, but because I don't know anyone and don't know how certain topics would go down. But, to be honest, I don't feel like this. I just know from experience that starting a thread in a new forum can be daunting.

    I'm also not talking about specific discussion threads which you and others seem to be alluding to.
    I don't think new members will come here looking to discuss anything. But if they do see something that catches their eye, they can. The discussion can then be used as a medium or a stepping stone into the general forum cliques and banter.

    ---End Of Part 2---
    Another thing is you can only have a discussion thread if there's an interest in the subject.

    Discussion can start with anything and evolve into anything. What might start as a niche thread about how Germany copes with recession could turn into a philosophical or idealogical debate about Marxism and Republics.

    If you don't find interest in a particular discussion, try and look at it from a different angle, but really, you don't need to be involved in every one. Some you'll enjoy, some you won't. That's the nature of the internet.

    I also find that discussing say, politics in a political forum, you'll get bogged down with facts and figures, as well as rhetoric and dogpiling.
    Discussing them in a general forum like this though, you get a more enjoyable experience.

    One of the main reasons I like C&H is because it's one of the few forums on the internet which seems to be free of elitism. Although there is a clique, it's not intolerant of anyone, nor does it look down on anyone.

    Anyway, I've said enough for tonight. Sorry if I missed out on anything anyone was trying to say. I had a lot to get through and probably skipped over a few things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,164 ✭✭✭Konata


    Just a few little bits, everything I've wanted to say has pretty much been covered already:
    Sentineil wrote: »
    What makes you think I lurk either? I post when I have something to say. If I don't, I don't post.

    Eh, you do know that your username shows up at the bottom of the forum when you're viewing it right? (Unless you're appearing invisible). Well, and I can only speak for myself of course, but I noticed you viewing the forum weeks before you even posted - and I've seen it many, many times since then. You'll probably jump and say something like you were just checking out the forum and what's wrong with that?

    Well Neil, let's not beat around the bush here. You know full well why you started reading this forum in the first place and to be perfectly honest, I can only think of those reasons every time you post. That doesn't make your opinion invalid, and you have brought up some really interesting points and provided feedback for C&H but... I find it hard to believe you actually care about this forum.
    Sentineil wrote: »

    How did you get this:


    From this:

    Well, to me, both posts express the same thing in slightly different wording. I meant what Tommy said and evidently he was able to gather that from my post. I don't claim to be an expert at English :p



    Anyway, at the end of the day, C&H is serving it's purpose well and the vast majority of posters seem to be happy with the forum. If they didn't like it, they wouldn't stick around. I think some good points have been raised on this thread in the last few days and maybe it'll give people incentive to be aware of newbies - be a little more welcoming or inclusive, and also to not hold back on starting discussion threads on topics they find interesting. No one's going to be happy all the time here but sure, we haven't had any major problems thus far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Banjo Fella


    I'd like to reiterate how lovely and friendly this community is. I joined Boards just before the summer holidays and started posting in this sub-forum a little while after, and I found it very easy to talk about anything here. It's been really worthwhile, too, there have been plenty of times I've received great advice if I needed it, and many more times when I've just read something that made me smile. Everybody seems so warm towards each other, which can be a rare thing on the internet's stormy seas o' anonymity.

    There seems to be this amicable, nonjudgmental attitude amongst the posters, which makes it so much easier to post without fearing for the "cool story bro" type posts you might suffer elsewhere. It's a very close-knit circle of people, but it's inclusive... so the rewards are great if you're bold enough to make yourself known!

    Actually, the past few posts in this thread are proof that C&H is a thoroughly welcoming, hospitable community, even if you're getting involved by discussing how uninclusive it seems to be. We all know who you are now, Sentineil! :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Sentineil


    Eh, you do know that your username shows up at the bottom of the forum when you're viewing it right? (Unless you're appearing invisible). Well, and I can only speak for myself of course, but I noticed you viewing the forum weeks before you even posted - and I've seen it many, many times since then. You'll probably jump and say something like you were just checking out the forum and what's wrong with that?

    Am I meant to post every time I pop on? I read with the intention of posting if I see something that interests me. If I don't see anything, I don't post.

    That doesn't make me a lurker. It makes me a reserved poster, at best.
    And having once lurked (to get a feel for the forum), doesn't mean I still lurk.

    Having 50+ posts (I've lost a few along the way) in what, 2 and a half months is lurking? Hardly.

    I also don't think that I've ever jumped in and claimed to be "just checking out the forum". Is that meant to be rhetorical? It feels like it's directed at me.
    Well Neil, let's not beat around the bush here. You know full well why you started reading this forum in the first place and to be perfectly honest, I can only think of those reasons every time you post. That doesn't make your opinion invalid, and you have brought up some really interesting points and provided feedback for C&H but... I find it hard to believe you actually care about this forum.

    I don't understand the relevance of this? Is it meant to be character assassination?
    Being a troll doesn't discredit anything I've said, but does anything I've said (outside the Christmas forum) sound like I'm trolling?

    So far the only purpose of your post is to argue semantics with a bit of ad hominem to boot.
    Well, to me, both posts express the same thing in slightly different wording. I meant what Tommy said and evidently he was able to gather that from my post. I don't claim to be an expert at English
    The reason why many of the regulars DON'T start discussion threads is because they've been around for the vast majority of the discussions thus far

    I'm sorry, but this only means one thing. You did go on to talk about threads fading off the front page, which IO's post may be alluding to, but what I've quoted reads clearly as "We don't start discussions because we've been around for all the discussions".

    Anyway, for what I can tell, the majority of what you've all being saying is that if new people want discussions to better integrate, then they should start them?

    Am I wrong in saying this?

    I'll address that as clearly as I can.
    What if the new member doesn't recognise the lack of discussion as the issue?
    Actually, the past few posts in this thread are proof that C&H is a thoroughly welcoming, hospitable community, even if you're getting involved by discussing how uninclusive it seems to be. We all know who you are now, Sentineil!

    I think this holds more weight than anything I could say. It proves first hand that discussion can integrate outsiders.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Neil, can you please outline exactly what your feedback is one more time? If you could post a concise list of what you feel is wrong, and some short paragraphs suggesting what you think should be done to amend those perceived flaws, then I will address each point on its merits.

    Please make your points with as little use of rhetorical questioning as possible, and without making personal reference to other posters. I will make a final decision about this issue after that post, while taking into account everything that as been put forward before now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Sentineil


    The original topic was that the forum, although pleasant and friendly, is a clique, which can be difficult for new members to break into.

    My feedback was that the lack of discussion in the forum is what makes it so hard to get involved.
    With only banter and list threads, there's no opportunity for a new member to meaningfully join in.

    I was proposing that more discussion threads should be started, and that an effort should be made by regulars to start discussions.

    I don't think I need to reiterate your position on the subject.

    I understand that this turned into walls of text, but I was only responding to what was put my way.

    If I wasn't clear about any of this from the start then I apologise for my failure to adequately articulate my position.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Thank you. I appreciate the effort your putting into this feedback. I'm sure anyone who has been following this thread will keep in mind the advice offered when posting in the future.

    It's unfortunate that the word "clique" has such negative connotations. It suggests that the community is exclusive, which I think we have recognised is not the case (as you have noted by describing the posters of this forum has "pleasant and friendly".

    I feel that the advice offered by randylonghorn should be kept in mind when welcoming brand new posters to the forum, especially those who are here to enjoy the light-hearted, the jovial and the social aspects of this forum.

    Following this, the problem lies in the infrequency of serious discussion. I have noted before now that all old debates are still open for revival, so long as the points made are relevant. This forum is less than two years old. As such, there would be very little harm in bumping such threads. I would advise anyone who is unsure about posting something to PM a moderator or a more experienced friend.

    The topics discussed most seriously here are those that are relevant to an audience of teenagers and young adults. You put forward a few suggestions: "Firefighter protection money and a new earth-like planet being discovered. Discussion worthy? Yes." I would suggest that these topics are not discussed here because they are not of immediate interest to the majority of this forum. That's not to say that such topics would be ignored if a discussion was instigated, but rather that it would require an interested party to raise awareness of these issues in the first place.

    To quote my co-mod:
    If you want more discussion, start a thread. Don't sit around waiting for others. If you have an idea for a thread that you think will improve the forum and help discussion flow, go ahead and start it.

    I want to remind everyone about this.
    One of the most amazing threads I have ever read was started in January, about a very sensitive topic, by a very new poster, and despite his unfortunate reputation. While that poster is no longer on the site, his efforts as a new member of the forum shaped the community in ways I doubt he'd ever have imagined. Take that as inspiration, and never be afraid to start a debate or a discussion on this forum, no matter how long you've been posting on this site.

    I invite everyone to enjoy this forum and to engage as much or as little as suits each individual's wants and needs. No genuine poster will ever be excluded. If at any point the forum loses its appeal, then every topic discussed here can be developed even further in other parts of Boards.ie. This forum was intended as a gate-way for younger posters, to familiarise them with the workings and nuances of a good discussion forum while giving them a safe and enjoyable platform to do so. If someone moves on from C&H with a little bit more expertise in how to debate on one of the more serious forums, then this place will have served its purpose.

    In short:
    • This is a social forum, but one that welcomes serious discussion.
    • List threads and off-topic chat are welcome here, and do serve a good purpose.
    • The forum should not be dominated by meaningless smiley-faces or pointless posts, and I will highlight this again in the Charter.
    • Everyone should be reminded that they can start a new discussion whenever they like. Nobody should ever feel under particular pressure to do so.
    • Welcoming a new poster should involve more than just saying "hi". Respond to a few of their posts, get them talking, and they'll be more likely to gel into the group.

    I hope this draws this argument to a satisfactory conclusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭Novella


    Muchos, muchos kudos to you, Insect Overlord. :)

    When I started this in the beginning, I never wanted it to turn into forum bashing and/or an argument. It's just when it was mentioned to me that someone felt excluded... I wanted to fix it. I have this compulsion to fix things, you see, and make everyone feel better. I'm so, so sorry if anyone ever got the impression that it was some kind of attack on the way C&H is currently or anything like that.

    And while I'm here, can I just say a big THANK YOU to conorstuff. The fact that he even started that discussion thread... it speaks volumes really, doesn't it, in showing the dedication regulars have to the forum? He started that thread himself after seeing the need for it from this feedback.

    Hmm, not exactly sure what I'm sayin' anymore. Maybe just thank you and <3:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,164 ✭✭✭Konata


    So, when's C&H's birthday? :D



    >_>


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Two months from tomorrow ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭almostnever


    Two months from tomorrow ;)

    We should have a party to celebrate. :D


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Novella wrote: »
    Muchos, muchos kudos to you, Insect Overlord. :)

    And while I'm here, can I just say a big THANK YOU to conorstuff.

    And of course we should thank Sentineil and the other posters who've recognised that it might be difficult to feel included here. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭Novella


    And of course we should thank Sentineil and the other posters who've recognised that it might be difficult to feel included here. :)

    Yeah, you're right! Thanks to me for bringing it up! :pac: :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭Novella


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Actually, reading some of the above posts; Why do we have a General College discussion thread which allow posts who are still in Secondary School feel not that intimidated since a good few posters in the C&H are in college.

    I honestly don't know what you're sayin'... :confused:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    I couldn't understand what he was trying to say either but this is what I think he meant - and if it is, then I agree with him!

    It can be a bit intimidating for people in secondary school to start posting on this when nearly everybody is in college, not just first year but second third and fourth year also. I didn't post when I was in 6th year because I was worried that I was too young. But that isn't the case at all, I was fine when I started posting and felt extremely welcomed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    Hotaru wrote: »
    So, when's C&H's birthday? :D



    >_>
    Two months from tomorrow ;)
    We should have a party to celebrate. :D

    But more importantly, it's my 21st a few days after! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Would it be possible for the mods to move all the protest posts out of the aarrgghh thread into a separate new thread


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Would it be possible for the mods to move all the protest posts out of the aarrgghh thread into a separate new thread

    I'll do that for you in the morning, if Knifey doesn't get there first :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,678 ✭✭✭D4RK ONION


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,774 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Pygmalion wrote: »
    So somebody (you know who you are bbz <3 ) said something quite interesting to me on my facebook wall lololololol.

    We all laughed heartily, just thought I'd let you guys know <33333.
    D4RK ONION wrote: »
    OMG, that thing the person said was like, so interesting? Laughing is fun! Facebook woo! Fuuuuuuuuun!
    Pygmalion wrote: »
    We all know you like fun, eh?
    That thing about fun on your facebook wall was hilarious <3
    Davidius wrote: »
    At first I thought that was a frape but reading it again made me realise that may not be so.

    lol so much <3 around there. Bet somebody will be regretting their drunken (or not so drunken ) fb antics in the morning. Probably gonna try write it off as a frape but we all know better the cheeky fecker.
    Pygmalion wrote: »
    No way was it a frape tbh, that person we're talking about definitely loves doing that thing that it has been suggested he/she has a liking for through the medium of updates on Facebook.
    Sure we all know what he/she gets up to

    Right C&H, you agree with us about him/her, right?

    <3 them really though
    Davidius wrote: »
    I always knew there was something going on between you two. I can sense it. Remember when he/she said they'd never stoop so low? Now the posts they've made on that wall have led to an obvious conflict with their previously stated position if you know what I mean

    lol <3333 for ya bbz really just don't ever tell me your facebook password or leave yourself logged in on a device that would come into my possession anytime soon or you'll be regretting it for ages.
    D4RK ONION wrote: »
    You guys are so funny and fresh!! :o;) I don't think anyone has ever done anything like this before on facebook :mad::cool: I laughed out loud and then I posted about it on my facebook wall on facebook. now all the people I know <333333333 will know about it too! and then we can laugh about it too

    <33333 and hugs for all
    Pygmalion wrote: »
    lol no way is there anything going on between us, did you not see the posts on my wall FROM THAT OTHER GUY?!?!?! :pac:
    Though they've definitely reversed their position on that thing they were very adamant about previously

    So much <3 though really, *all the hugs ever*



    Yeah you guys are amazing, :).
    I saw the thing you posted on your facebook wall on facebook in response to my facebook posts and could not stop laughing at my browser window displaying facebook.
    I can't wait for the people you have as friends on facebook to see your facebook wall, they'll probably have quite a lot of things to say on facebook.

    <3333333333333333333333333
    Davidius wrote: »
    lol you best hope you don't have the Friends of Friends can post on my wall setting enabled under facebook's privacy settings or you will also be receiving comments from people that are on my friends list. I will tell the people on my friends list about the comment that was posted on your facebook wall so that they may observe and possibly comment on the aforementioned comment. You should see what my friends are like, the friends of yours that regularly read your facebook wall won't know what to think.

    Sleepy now so *hugs* for you all <333333!!!!!!
    Pygmalion wrote: »
    Oh god, that won't go well :pac:

    It's bad enough that my facebook friends are reading my facebook wall and making facebook posts in response to it, having someone else's facebook friends post on my facebook wall will be quite embarrassing , especially since the post in question was very embarassing for me in the first place. :eek:
    Not embarassing enough that I will delete it, and definitely not so embarrassing that I won't tell everyone I know about it through any medium with which I can communicate, but SOOOOOOOO EMBARRASSING :(

    I has so many sads and embarrasses. :(:(:(:(:(:(

    So what's the story with you three taking the piss out of people chatting in The Den about stuff that happened on a totally different site?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Craguls


    Elitism's funny apparently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Grindylow


    So what's the story with you three taking the piss out of people chatting in The Den about stuff that happened on a totally different site?

    Well I'm presuming they got sick of the MSN like conversations that occur in yaaah/arrgh and decided to show how annoying it is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,774 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Noel2k9 wrote: »
    Well I'm presuming they got sick of the MSN like conversations that occur in yaaah/arrgh and decided to show how annoying it is...

    I believe I said I was talking about The Den, not Argh or Yah.


    And on that note, if a problem should occur, why not send a PM rather than openly piss-take...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Grindylow


    I believe I said I was talking about The Den, not Argh or Yah.


    And on that note, if a problem should occur, why not send a PM rather than openly piss-take...?

    I didn't.

    I'm just getting it out there sure. It's not as if I was the only one to spot it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,774 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Noel2k9 wrote: »
    I didn't.

    I'm just getting it out there sure. It's not as if I was the only one to spot it.

    I meant in general, I never said you did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Grindylow


    I meant in general, I never said you did.

    Well tbh if the den isn't the place for them to do that, then yaah and arrgh isn't the place for stuff like "Oh my car ride today was so fun with.." etc.. It's just something that should be kept to msn/facebook like..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,774 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Noel2k9 wrote: »
    Well tbh if the den isn't the place for them to do that, then yaah and arrgh isn't the place for stuff like "Oh my car ride today was so fun with.." etc.. It's just something that should be kept to msn/facebook like..

    Now...where was that said?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Grindylow


    Now...where was that said?

    Pretty much every day ever since for always.

    Anyways I'm bored now.. Toodles


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