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Scumbag sues Garda

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  • #152
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I can't believe this case has even gotten to trial but tbh given the attitude towards the police in this country I am not surprised that the Garda is the one taking the fall.

    The lack of respect for the Gardai and lack of acknowledgement for the tough job they do is baffling. You'd swear they sit on the arses all day doing nothing.

    To me this case isn't in any way trial worthy. The 'scumag' spends the day getting up to his eyeballs on drink and drugs, steals a car and then drives dangerously and totally off his head. He puts lives at risk, breaks the law etc

    Does he expect a hand shake and a congratulations from the arresting officer?

    I would be 100% on the Garda's side in this. From experience with people on drugs as a First Aider I have seen that drink and drugs can make people, particularly men, extremely volitile and agressive so if the Gardai had to take out their batons I have no doubt it was for their own protection.

    I can't understand why so many posters are willing to take the word of a drunk and drugged up criminal over a member of our Police force.


  • #153
    NewHillel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭NewHillel


    Sand wrote: »
    TBH, when I hear about Gardai getting physical with law abiding people who are going about their normal bussiness without bothering anyone else, I'll get worried about police brutality and killer cops.

    Do you not think that, by then, it might be a little late? It always starts in the small way's, a little roughing up here, a few slaps there. It never stops there. Whats starts out as well intentioned ends up as full blown corruption. Truly, we have enough troubles, with Gardai, young or old, taking the law into their own hands.
    Sand wrote: »
    And lets not forget, this all assumes anything this scumbag says is true. We've got a young Guard, whose out there doing more good for society than anything that piece of human waste has ever done being put under the cosh. Where are our priorities?
    Human waste?? Pretty arrogant, aren't we?


  • #154
    NewHillel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭NewHillel


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    To me this case isn't in any way trial worthy.
    Thankfully, it is the DPP who decides!


  • #155
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    NewHillel wrote: »
    Thankfully, it is the DPP who decides!

    Em yes I am aware of that thanks ;) I was merely giving my opinion, which I'm guessing you don't with.


  • #156
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Sand wrote: »

    Where are our priorities?

    Ensuring that EVERYONE obeys the law. Pretty basic concept I would have thought. But obviously you feel that the gaurds should be above the law they actually swear to uphold and enforce eh?


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  • #157
    _feedback_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I can't understand why so many posters are willing to take the word of a drunk and drugged up criminal over a member of our Police force.

    I]Joan Burton Voice[/I Can I just say I]/[/I][I]Joan Burton Voice[/I

    As far as I can see, nobody on this thread (myself included) are taking his word on anything, or defending him. I was merely pointing out that Gardaí should never need to kick anyone.

    As it keeps coming back to this case. If there were ten of them they should have been more than able to restrain without kicking.

    I don't know the numbers, but I'd imagine the amount of prisoners that cry "assault" is astronomical. However, most of them never make it outside the cell door as they are complete bullshít. This one has made it this far, so there must be some reason for that.


  • #158
    J K
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 468 ✭✭J K


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    He is not sueing the gardai (the title of the thread is wrong).

    What is happening is that the State (you and me) via the DPP are bringing a criminal case of assault against the guard and this guy maughan is both the victim of the alleged assault and the chief state witness.

    Whatever about the rights and wrongs/ peoples opinion of the case, the thread title should really be corrected to reflect what is actually happening.

    A criminal case like this is always a precursor to a civil case. If he didn't make a complaint of being assaulted to the Guards (by the Guards)and also a complaint to the ombudsman the first question he would be asked in a doomed civil case was why not. And the other side of that is that if this Guard is convicted here then maughan is certain to win the civil case, it won't even see a court room, they'll just haggle over money, big settlement. So to achieve his dream of €€€€ cash cash cash he had to do this and has to win this.


  • #159
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    @NewHillel
    Do you not think that, by then, it might be a little late? It always starts in the small way's, a little roughing up here, a few slaps there. It never stops there. Whats starts out as well intentioned ends up as full blown corruption. Truly, we have enough troubles, with Gardai, young or old, taking the law into their own hands.

    Yeah, I think well have to watch this young Guard with trepidation. In a few years he might be leading the country and invading Poland.

    Human waste?? Pretty arrogant, aren't we?

    I do feel superiour to a scumbag who steals a car at knifepoint and races down the quays on drugs and booze, putting the lives of dozens or hundreds at risk. I agree, totally unjustified, and thus arrogant.

    @Einhard
    Ensuring that EVERYONE obeys the law. Pretty basic concept I would have thought. But obviously you feel that the gaurds should be above the law they actually swear to uphold and enforce eh?

    They did uphold and enforce the law. I didnt notice anyone else risking their lives to deal with that scumbag. If he got a few smacks in the process, natural justice imo. If you reckon you'd do a better job, then by all means, join the Guards and be Robocop. It looks like they might have vaccancy coming up if that scumbag gets his way.


  • #160
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Johnny Utah wrote: »
    You know Garda Curtis?

    No, John Paul.


  • #161
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Hmm, I don't think you'd have the same attitude if it was your son who got his face knocked in by a couple of guards who caught him pissing down a back alley on a Saturday night after a bellyful of beer.

    When a Gard is done for kicking the crap out of some young lad caught pissing down a lane you might have a point.

    I have no issue with the Gards beating the **** out of people caught robbing cars and/or breaking in to houses , nevermind when you add that this guy was drink and off his head on drugs and tried to get away through a city centre. Everything up from these crimesshould be subject to beatings too.

    How many trips through court only to be let out straight away will it take before this guy sees the error of his ways? My guess is as many times as they can get him through the system in his lifetime. A good beating is worth countless pointless court appearances.


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  • #162
    talla10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭talla10


    DB10 wrote: »
    The real scum here is the gardai, which is usually the case, 10 of them battering a poor man half to death. Just because they can.

    ****ing pig should rot in prison, they will take care of his arse in there....dirty pig ****....:cool:


    Ok your taking the word of scum who admitted being off his head on drink and drugs stealing a car and then taking a chase??Im sure he didnt resist arrest at all once they car stopped!!

    Load of rubbish he is hardly a 'poor man' he is pure scum who is in custody for robbery!!what if it was your car or your brother/sister/wife/husband/granny etc he robbed?? throw away the key!


  • #163
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I can't believe this case has even gotten to trial but tbh given the attitude towards the police in this country I am not surprised that the Garda is the one taking the fall.

    It got to trial because there was an independent investigation, and then a decision made by the DPP as to whether to prosecute. You know, the same system that applies to us all. Or do you believe that the gardai should be exampt from the same standards as the rest us?
    The lack of respect for the Gardai and lack of acknowledgement for the tough job they do is baffling.

    Nobody is disrespecting the gardai here. Indeed, it's you and the others who seem to think the gardai should be allowed to pick and choose which laws they abide by that are disrespecting the institution. gaurds have given their lives to protect and uphold the laws of the state since the foundation of the state, and now here you are arguing that they can just be ignored when the mood takes.


    I can't understand why so many posters are willing to take the word of a drunk and drugged up criminal over a member of our Police force.

    Nobody's taking the junkies word. That's for the court to decide. Again, as per the system that applies to ALL of us. I really can't believe the number of people who believe that one section of society should be exempt from obeying the law just because of the uniform they wear.


  • #164
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Sand wrote: »





    They did uphold and enforce the law.

    He clearly broke the law. Or rather, he is charged with breaking the law. I'll ask it again, because still nobody has bothered answering, do you, and all the others condoning this behaviour, believe that the gardai should be allowed to disregard the laws they are sworn to uphold whenever they feel like it? Please answer. it's a very simple question, has been asked several times now by a number of posters, and goes to the very heart of the matter.


  • #165
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    talla10 wrote: »
    what if it was your car or your brother/sister/wife/husband/granny etc he robbed??

    If he actually put my bloody granny in a big bag marked "Swag" and ran off with her, it still wouldn't justify the dardai turning vigilante in response, and breaking the law!!

    Do you people not get it?! You are advocating that the gaurds should be allowed to disregard the law they are supposed to enforce! That's a disturbing, not to mention dangerous, concept, and one that should fill every citizen with trepidation.


  • #166
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    No of course they shouldn't be above the law. Could you please point out where in my own post and in the thread general such a suggestion was made?


  • #167
    talla10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭talla10


    Einhard wrote: »
    Do you people not get it?! You are advocating that the gaurds should be allowed to disregard the law they are supposed to enforce! That's a disturbing, not to mention dangerous, concept, and one that should fill every citizen with trepidation.

    the point many people are making is that with the guys history not to mention he was caught red handed Gardai may have had to use force to legally restrain and arrest him!!there is nothing on what injuries he sustained, no medical reports no expert medical advice its just his word against the Guards and his word is accepted so easily!!


  • #168
    _feedback_
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    No of course they shouldn't be above the law. Could you please point out where in my own post and in the thread general such a suggestion was made?

    Plenty suggesting that the guards should have went further with this alledged beating - loads quoted here.


  • #169
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Jeez, if it's true, it's pretty shocking. A gang of gardaí beating a person and not allowing him medical attention? Wow, some people would like the police force to have that power? And believe they shouldn't be disciplined, even though it's gross misconduct?

    And if a person objects to this, it does not mean they're defending the guy or of the view that people have the right to engage in criminal behaviour without due recourse - ffs, those kinds of comments are dumb, and actual adults are making them.

    The guy is an odious little sh1t, but a violent police force - what about crooked elements (see McBrearty Case)? Who's to stop them from using such force on people who don't deserve it? There are countries where the police can use free reign when it comes to meting out physical punishment, and law-abiding people live in fear - not with a sense of protection.
    The "What if it was your <insert relative/friend>" comments are pretty pointless too - emotional bias should not come into it the law.

    And again of course the idiotic "bleeding heart", "liberal" ("liberal" - oh noez! :eek:) comments. It's got nothing to do with being a bleeding heart, it's simply a preference for a police force that is not allowed to administer excessive beatings.

    Besides, police brutality totally makes a martyr and a victim of little pricks like this guy. Someone referred to him as "poor guy" which is ridiculous too - there's nothing "poor guy" about someone who does that. It's not so much that he doesn't deserve to be taught a lesson, moreso that it's pretty scary for that lesson to be taught to him by the state's police force.


  • #170
    CorkMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    Einhard wrote: »
    If he actually put my bloody granny in a big bag marked "Swag" and ran off with her, it still wouldn't justify the dardai turning vigilante in response, and breaking the law!!

    Do you people not get it?! You are advocating that the gaurds should be allowed to disregard the law they are supposed to enforce! That's a disturbing, not to mention dangerous, concept, and one that should fill every citizen with trepidation.

    TBH the scummer isn't your typical citizen. 19 years of age with lord knows how many convictions. High on probably cocaine and drunk as fu*k, in a car driving full speed down a quay.

    That =/= typical citizen.


  • #171
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    elviscostello wrote: »
    Plenty suggesting that the guards should have went further with this alledged beating - loads quoted here.

    This is After Hours to be fair.....I'd imagine most of that isn't serious;)


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  • #172
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    talla10 wrote: »
    the point many people are making is that with the guys history not to mention he was caught red handed Gardai may have had to use force to legally restrain and arrest him!!there is nothing on what injuries he sustained, no medical reports no expert medical advice its just his word against the Guards and his word is accepted so easily!!

    No, that's not the case at all. Most people are arguing that the gaurd should never have been brought before the court. That somehow, a different standard of justice applies to him because he happens to wear a uniform. All us "neo-liberals" are bleating about, is that it's not unreasonable that he have to answer the accusations in a court of law. Like you, or me would have to. And yet we have people accusing us of "disrespecting the gaurds" and other such nonsense.


  • #173
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    No of course they shouldn't be above the law. Could you please point out where in my own post and in the thread general such a suggestion was made?

    Here:
    I can't believe this case has even gotten to trial but tbh given the attitude towards the police in this country I am not surprised that the Garda is the one taking the fall.

    And here:
    To me this case isn't in any way trial worthy. The 'scumag' spends the day getting up to his eyeballs on drink and drugs, steals a car and then drives dangerously and totally off his head. He puts lives at risk, breaks the law etc

    You don't think that the process of prosecution that would apply to everyone else should apply to this gaurd. Seems pretty clear cut to me.


  • #174
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    CorkMan wrote: »
    TBH the scummer isn't your typical citizen. 19 years of age with lord knows how many convictions. High on probably cocaine and drunk as fu*k, in a car driving full speed down a quay.

    That =/= typical citizen.

    So now the law is subjective? We can pick and choose who gets the protection of the law, and who is subject to the law. Hey, why not tear up the statute book altogether?!


  • #175
    _feedback_
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    This is After Hours to be fair.....I'd imagine most of that isn't serious;)

    Glad you pointed that out.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I would be 100% on the Garda's side in this. From experience with people on drugs as a First Aider I have seen that drink and drugs can make people, particularly men, extremely volitile and agressive so if the Gardai had to take out their batons I have no doubt it was for their own protection.

    So you mustn't be serious here then?

    I get the joke now. Because I realise that of course they shouldn't need their batons and boots when there are upwards of ten trained officers restraining a suspect.


  • #176
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I can't understand why so many posters are willing to take the word of a drunk and drugged up criminal over a member of our Police force.
    As I understand it, the Guard hasn't yet given his side of the story, so I don't understand where you're plucking that from.


  • #177
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    This is After Hours to be fair.....I'd imagine most of that isn't serious;)

    I'd imagine they were.


  • #178
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Einhard wrote: »
    No, that's not the case at all. Most people are arguing that the gaurd should never have been brought before the court. That somehow, a different standard of justice applies to him because he happens to wear a uniform. All us "neo-liberals" are bleating about, is that it's not unreasonable that he have to answer the accusations in a court of law. Like you, or me would have to. And yet we have people accusing us of "disrespecting the gaurds" and other such nonsense.

    No you're clearly not following what's being said. Most of us are saying that the Garda should be brought to court because to go by what's being said on both side it seems clear that he did nothing wrong.

    It's not about him being above the law at all but about the fact that the guy making the accusations was clearly off his head at the time and had just broken the law so he is likely to either very mistaken or lying.


  • #179
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Einhard wrote: »
    Here:



    And here:



    You don't think that the process of prosecution that would apply to everyone else should apply to this gaurd. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

    Neither of those implies in any way the Gardai above the law and you well know it.

    Stop reading into it what isn't there.


  • #180
    CorkMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    Einhard wrote: »
    So now the law is subjective? We can pick and choose who gets the protection of the law, and who is subject to the law. Hey, why not tear up the statute book altogether?!

    I'm just saying you have to use common sense instead of pure theory. I am sure he would have been known to the gardaí, and with the amount of convictions he had I am sure he assaulted someone before.

    A law abiding citizen isn't going to be off their head on drugs, and drinking, robbing a person for the keys, etc. TBH though we are not sure what happened, the scummer could be lying all along still.


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  • #181
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Dudess wrote: »
    Jeez, if it's true, it's pretty shocking. A gang of gardaí beating a person and not allowing him medical attention? Wow, some people would like the police force to have that power? And believe they shouldn't be disciplined, even though it's gross misconduct?
    ..

    Using a dictionary maybe that happened. But in the real world the guy got a few bumps and scrapes (evidenced by the fact the doctor came to see him and stuck a couple of bandages on him for wounds that could well have been associated with being dragged out through the car window, which is a legitimate reaction from the gards). Lets not go overboard and liken this to some sort of unprovoked beating to within an inch of some innocent mans life.


    As I've already said, I'd much rather the liek of this guy got a beating than spend millions dragging him in and out of court god knows how many times.


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